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Orange Blooded [3820]
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comparison B Brownell to #7 seed Frank Martin...
Mar 13, 2017, 12:13 AM
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Updating a previous post on Clemson's record against NCAA teams -
Clemson vs. seeds #1 - #6: 0 and 8
USuCk vs seeds #1 - #6: 1 and 2
Clemson vs. seeds #7 - #16: 4 and 4 (losses by 1, 1, 6, and 6)
USuCk vs Seed #7 - #16: 2 and 3 (losses by 3, 7, and 9)
Clemson vs. non NCAAT teams: 13 and 3
USuCk vs. non NCAAT teams: 19 and 5
Clemson beat USuCk head-to-head.
Clemson played 8 games against Top 6 seed comp (including 6 on the road), while USuCk played 3.
Clemson played 16 games against NCAAT teams, USuCk played only 8.
USuCk fattened up on non-NCAAT teams, yet still lost 5 such games to Clemson's 3, including by 16 at Memphis and twice to Bama.
So yeah, fire Brad because he didn't make the tournament, and see of we can hire ol' Frankie off the Coots. wtph....
If Brownell had Frankie's schedule, we'd be Top 15, no doubt.
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Standout [248]
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Re: comparison B Brownell to #7 seed Frank Martin...
Mar 13, 2017, 1:06 AM
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still trying to figure out how 0-8 vs seeds 1-6 (or top 25) is a good thing.
Nobody is firing Brownell based just on this season. It's based on the last 6 seasons. This year was his best team yet. An NBA pick coming back for his senior year, a senior PG and C, a transfer that was a top 30 recruit and another that was top 100. And still just NIT, in a year where it didn't take a whole lot to get in the NCAA tourney. Brownell's peak at Clemson is NIT (unless you give him another coach's players that had been to 3 straight NCAA's and expand the field). I'm willing to give somebody else a chance and risk missing out on that 1 NIT trip every 3 years for a chance at something better.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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"still trying to figure out" a lot aren't you?
Mar 13, 2017, 5:37 AM
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who said "this was his best team yet"? TNET? Lucy Arnaz? the Muppets?
this is the point - you'll believe
what you want to believe.....
I simply gave you facts.... facts - specificity - comparatives....
one guy guy seems the savior of a program, the other ready to be fired by the local yokels.
and yet when you compare the schedules
it appears one guy has been coddled like a babe in the manger
while the other is dragged up the hill strapped to a wooden cross-beam.
no one said 0-8 is good -
I only said that Frank's record ain't too good either - ain't even as good as Brad's -
once you pull up his skirt and take a peek underneath.
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Orange Blooded [2680]
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Re: "still trying to figure out" a lot aren't you?
Mar 13, 2017, 5:52 AM
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TU for you, epifunny. The facts don't lie!!
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Re: "still trying to figure out" a lot aren't you?
Mar 13, 2017, 6:03 AM
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You must note we beat USuCk without their best player by 2. Thornwell is basically their team.
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Re: comparison B Brownell to #7 seed Frank Martin...
Mar 13, 2017, 7:05 AM
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E X A C T L Y - We have a lot of Tiger "fans" on Tigernet who have given up being a top basketball program because Duke and Carolina have been there forever. Their excuses sound just like Coots when they talk about their football history. NIT is CBB's ceiling and I KNOW Clemson can do better.
CBB has had this program for 2 recruiting cycles and it's still going no where. Time to try and find someone who can improve Clemson not stagnate. BTW, I like Pat Kelsey of Winthrop he is a mini Dabo.
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That you Bourret?***
Mar 13, 2017, 6:39 AM
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Re: comparison B Brownell to #7 seed Frank Martin...
Mar 13, 2017, 6:53 AM
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Again. Our fans sound like coot football fans. "If we had your schedule, we'd be this" . " we play in the toughest league in the country" . We are better than this.
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Orange Phenom [14439]
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We play in the best basketball conference in America and
Mar 13, 2017, 6:56 AM
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we expect our program to be in the top half just like we do in every sport we compete in. To think otherwise is the attitude of losers.
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All-Pro [763]
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Re: We play in the best basketball conference in America and
Mar 13, 2017, 7:00 AM
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Exactly! There are a lot of them on here.
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Re: We play in the best basketball conference in America and
Mar 13, 2017, 10:02 AM
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Sure are!
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110%er [7719]
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Re: We play in the best basketball conference in America and
Mar 13, 2017, 10:14 AM
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Aww coachmac and the chicken are having a moment that is adorable.
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Legend [6896]
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National Champion [7930]
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either you're Tim Bourett or Brad's wife/dad***
Mar 13, 2017, 7:09 AM
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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no, basically I'm your Daddy...
Mar 13, 2017, 12:41 PM
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when you've got something to respond to facts with
let me know, son.
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Excuses sound best to the one who is giving them, Coot.
Mar 13, 2017, 7:33 AM
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We could probably pay a lot less than we do for the level of futility we have achieved under Brad Brownell.
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Orange Phenom [14700]
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Re: Excuses sound best to the one who is giving them, Coot.
Mar 13, 2017, 7:35 AM
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wow it truly is groundhog day again.
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110%er [7719]
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Re: Excuses sound best to the one who is giving them, Coot.
Mar 13, 2017, 7:45 AM
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yep
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Legend [6896]
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I liked Bowden and did not want to see him fired - wrong!
Mar 13, 2017, 9:59 AM
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I just do not see our Tigers "hitting the floor" and the coach inspiring toughness or giving the ball to the best player at end of game except for one game, which Bloss won for us!
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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there is literally nothing comparable between
Mar 13, 2017, 12:39 PM
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Bowden and Brownell, nor
our football and basketball programs.
They coexist under the same Paw trademark, and that's about all.
Get over Bowden - the rest of us have moved on to the point that we recognize what he couldn't do well.
As to players on the floor, I've actually seen Gabe Devoe working at the defensive end of the floor and down on the floor scrapping for loose balls. Others have done it as well, but Devoe is notable because he wasn't known as a particularly good defensive player coming out of HS. It's obvious he is one that has recognized he'll get more playing time under Brownell if he plays both ends of the floor. And if this team wasn't great defensively, why do people blame that on BB - it's not like he forgot how to teach defense, is it?
But sadly, as I gave you facts, you gave me opinions and emotion. That's about all you see from the "fire the Coach" genuflect crowd - apparently, like snake oil, firing the Coach heals all wounds.
I gave you facts - you give me snake oil. wtph???
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tell brad hey for me
Mar 13, 2017, 10:01 AM
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thx
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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do you write for the Gaston Gazette??
Mar 13, 2017, 12:40 PM
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only a media person would recoil from facts....
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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I'm still waiting for one of you arse-holes
Mar 13, 2017, 12:43 PM
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to tell me why the Cooters are seeded 7th....
got nothing pumpkin?
thought not...
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Because the committee said so
Mar 13, 2017, 12:49 PM
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and they are the only voice that matters
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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did the committee tell you to fire Brownell too?
Mar 13, 2017, 12:58 PM
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do you do everything the committee tells you to do?
lol....
any other day there'd be uproar about the Coots being laughably over-rated.
Not today though - that might upset the momentum we've got
denigrating our own Coach.
honestly, if some of you had to go through a day without being political
or manipulative, you wouldn't be able to ####...
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Re: comparison B Brownell to #7 seed Frank Martin...
Mar 13, 2017, 12:47 PM
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I hate Carolina but Martin will do what it takes to get a player. I can't say that for Brownell.
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