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New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:12 PM
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Why not Feaster?
Clemson has several talented freshmen on the roster, who have all played at times throughout the season, but Scott said a game hanging in the balance isn’t the time to give a young guy his breakout opportunity. Full Story » |
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:14 PM
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Maybe Scott was afraid Feaster would fumble. Oh, wait...
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Why not Trust our Coaches?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:15 PM
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You'd think our fans and the media would begin to trust the coaching staff to evaluate talent after the success the program has had since Dabo took over.
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Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 3:31 PM
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personnel decisions before. Cole Stoudt should never have started over DW. Their deference to experience over talent is taken to extreme lengths. The OL is struggling. You know what can mask a mediocre OL? A speedy back with good lateral quickness and vision. Don't think Feaster can block? Then don't put him in on passing plays where he isn't a potential receiver.
Our coaches make decisions based on fear. Even after the experienced guys have fumbled on the goal line, Feaster can't get a look? Yes, when every play matters a big mistake can cost you dearly, but a big play can outright win the game. Play to win.
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 3:33 PM
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Solide post above
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 3:39 PM
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> Cole Stoudt should never have started over DW.
Clemson 40, Oklahoma 6
> Don't think Feaster can block? Then don't put him in on passing plays where he isn't a potential receiver.
Imagine how easy it will be to defend Clemson's offense when Feaster's presence ensures a run or him going out as a receiver. Blitz!!
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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Two can play that game:
Oct 18, 2016, 3:42 PM
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Two pick sixes gave Georgia Tech a win. Our inability to move the ball almost cost us the Louisville game (wherein we didn't score a single offensive TD). There's absolutely nothing to indicate DW wouldn't have torched OU just as badly as Cole did.
Oh no, Feaster is in, it's either a run or a pass! Really narrows it down.
Yes, blitz as we swing the ball out to the fastest guy on the roster. Wish you were USuCk's DC.
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Re: Two can play that game:
Oct 18, 2016, 3:51 PM
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Deshaun Watson was the starter against Louisville and went out with an injury. Cole Stoudt had already lost the starting job and was injured (shoulder) and unprepared for the Georgia Tech game. Watson gained the starting job as soon as he was ready. Coaches put him into game on about the 3rd series at FSU and he has been the starter ever since.
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He was ready at Georgia.***
Oct 18, 2016, 3:54 PM
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Re: Blitz when Feaster goes out for a pass
Oct 18, 2016, 3:59 PM
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and Watson will be on his back. Do we send Gallman out for passes when the defense blitzes or does he pick up the blitz?
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Re: On his back like this?
Oct 18, 2016, 7:38 PM
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Well, obviously, since according to you, Dabo hasn't got a clue as to how to recognize and develop players, we should just go ahead and fire him. It's pretty clear that the job should go to you, Penthouse Tiger.
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Yeah because that's totally what I'm saying***
Oct 19, 2016, 10:04 AM
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 4:48 PM
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You use one game stoudt played decent in to make your argument. Well I can do that too.
Georgia tech 28 Clemson 6
Stoudt was 3 for 12 for 19 yards with 3 ints (2 were pick sixes)
So I guess that one game justifies why DW should have started over him from the beginning.
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 6:10 PM
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This game was well after Stout was replaced by Watson as starter so not really a valid point since Stout started because DW was injured!
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 6:50 PM
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Stoudt came in off the bench after Deshaun Watson was injured on the second drive against Georgia Tech in 2014. In addition, Stoudt was nursing a shoulder injury and hadn't practiced much as Watson was taking the first team snaps during practice. The previous week Stoudt started against Wake Forest in a game we won 34-20.
Cole Stoudt: 27/42, 282 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
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Re: oh God...did you miss the other games Cole played in?***
Oct 18, 2016, 5:28 PM
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Evidently he did........
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his post would certainly lead you to believe that***
Oct 18, 2016, 5:31 PM
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Then you just should have redshirted him and hope he doesn't
Oct 18, 2016, 8:43 PM
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go pro after he's soph. Otherwise, use a little more creativity. If it's his blocking, quick passes can mask some of that. Other than fumbling, I don't see how it can't be worked around for five or so carries a game at least.
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 3:53 PM
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Go tell Dabo to his face that he makes decisions on fear. Let us know when you have that appointment so we can watch!
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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....that's their PUBLIC explanation.
Oct 18, 2016, 3:56 PM
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They were afraid he'd make a mistake in a tight spot. Fear.
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 6:13 PM
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Decisions are not based on fear. they are based on what they see everyday in practice. Can he block? does he know enough of the playbook? It's more than just speed. Since none of us see practice, just keep your opinions to yourself, since you don't really know what you are talking about. It is easy to coach from the upper deck!
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 6:37 PM
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Does he have to block when he scores 50% the time he touches the ball or can we just keep the tight end garrett williams in as an up back to cover the blitz...... I think there are definitely ways they could utilize his talent better as they are wasting one of 3 years we get with the 5 star as we continue to waste time on backs we actually got cause Alvin Kamara and a Dalvin Cook decommitted to Clemson. Also, remember when Soni Michell was begging for Clemson to offer him.....He's a stud too. We missed on every back and the ones we missed on left us with one the best Walk on/Scholarship offers to get Knemdicke ever in Wayne the Train so I don't regret that one bit but I think that he should be thought about as a go to for situation plays cause he's a triple threat like the real CJ was at Clemson and people wondered why on earth did Jamie Harper get carries over Spiller.......even Saban thanked T Bowden for not having to see him again other than that one kick off. The Kid has to be rewarded for playing well in game situations. I don't give a rats ### about who looks good on that scout D in practice....It's about what you do on gameday and Fuller did not get a hot hand at all....If that's a hot hand I'd rather not have Rbs at all and just go empty and throw down field all day.
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 7:46 PM
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Now we're going back to Tommy Bowden playing someone ahead of CJ Spiller. Whew...it must be exhausting for the people who are seriously digging so deep trying to make it look like they know more than the coaches. I have complete trust in the Clemson coaches (luckily it does not include Tommy Bowden) and even though they are not perfect (neither is any other team's coaching staff) they have done an amazing job. I support our coaches along with their decisions 100%. Go Tigers!
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Please don't feed the coot!!***
Oct 18, 2016, 10:54 PM
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I can see from the lower deck
Oct 18, 2016, 6:43 PM
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that the backs that we had available Saturday weren't getting it done. The only one I can't say that about is Feaster, because he was literally the only available RB that didn't get a shot.
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We played for the national championship last year.
Oct 18, 2016, 6:22 PM
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We are undefeated this year. Add to that, not only are our coaches far more qualified to make personnel decisions based simply on their football knowledge and experience which likely far exceeds that of anybody on this board, but nobody here sees practice or talks to these young men on a daily basis like the coaches do, and therefore have no clue as to who is ready or who is not. Having no such clue, it is therefore preposterous for someone to suggest that they know why these decisions are made.
Feaster's talent and game-breaking ability is obvious even to a football dolt like me, but I do understand that that kind of ability does not necessarily mean that he should have played against NCST or that he should see more PT going forward. If these kinds of decisions were as simple as playing the guy that fans want to see and believe has the most obvious raw talent, then coaching would be easy; the fact is it's not.
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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So just never question anything.
Oct 18, 2016, 6:47 PM
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Not much left to discuss on this discussion board then. Pump sunshine up each other's ##### about how great everything is and talk about Louisville and how much SCar sucks.
If Bambard could kick worth a #### I wonder what the discussion would look like, without "well we won so everything was perfect," to fall back on.
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not.until.we.lose...then everything is on the table***
Oct 18, 2016, 7:54 PM
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Re: So just never question anything.
Oct 18, 2016, 7:55 PM
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Replying to ClemsonPoker489
Your comments are total BS. You have gone way beyond helpful criticism, saying the coaches make questionable calls, at best. It is one thing to question some things the coaches have done but act as if you know much better than they do how to develop players and recognize talent is arrogant crud, especially considering their track record. I don't see much of anyone claiming everything is perfect and positive criticism is a good thing. You guys making all of these complaints act as if the team is 3 and 4 not 7 and 0.
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Re: So just never question anything.
Oct 18, 2016, 7:59 PM
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Replying to Tigerinaiken
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
I was starting to worry about our so called fans but I''m happy to see your support of the coaches since that is the #1 thing we as fans can give the coaches & players.
GO TIGERS!
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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Cole Stoudt over DW two years ago was definitely
Oct 18, 2016, 8:59 PM
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questionable, and that's the only thing I called questionable. I have not questioned their ability to develop talent, nor their ability to spot it, merely their reticence to play talented players over less talented but more experienced players.
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It may be questionable in your lack of "80 hours a week"
Oct 18, 2016, 11:23 PM
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knowledge, but breaking the true freshman in at a slower pace was the decision of the guys who DO put in 80+ hours a week. Those are the guys who are winning at a pace unlike any other in our history. No, they're not perfect, but their record speaks volumes and tips the scales far in their side over Joe Fan. By the way, is that your only questionable personnel decision, even considering its kind of been chucked to the side now? Even if you can come up with a few more, do you really have a clue what you're talking about and the reasoning behind it? I'm thinking no.
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Pumping sunshine sure is fun when you are 21-1 over the
Oct 18, 2016, 10:59 PM
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last 2 seasons especially when the coaches don't know what they are doing according to some posters who have never coached or probably played the game. Go Tiger players and coaches!!
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Re: We played for the national championship last year.
Oct 18, 2016, 6:54 PM
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We played for because of talent and we lost the national championship because of being guess what out coached on special teams and if not for Deshaun and our little walk on superstar Renfrow we would have gotten embarrassed. Deshaun covers up a lot of coaching errors and with so much talent there is no reason these guys should clobber everyone... I think if Chip Kelly or Mike Leach, or even as much as we can't stand him Jimbo Fisher called our plays we woud be winning by 50. we are way too obvious on first down running a dive read with auto pilot handoff every time... they just blitz the gap it's so stupid and the running plays take too long to develop we need to speed up and bring speed in the game like we used too and let Elliott call the plays cause let's face it he's the real OC and if I was Dabo I would demand on short yardage on 4th Christian wilkins even just to push a QB sneak for a yard this pistol 4 and 1in s h*t has to go
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Re: We played for the national championship last year.
Oct 18, 2016, 6:56 PM
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Shouldn't clobber**
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If Andre Ellington was one of our backups
Oct 18, 2016, 9:00 PM
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then you wouldn't see people calling for Feaster to get a shot.
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Re: Except they've made questionable (at best)
Oct 18, 2016, 9:56 PM
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Like Scott said, they spend 80 hours a week with those players, they know them 100 X better than we do, even the one's that we see play every week.
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Re: Why not Trust our Coaches?
Oct 18, 2016, 9:46 PM
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I think that people should be thankful that he gave the reasons why Feaster didn't get an opportunity last Saturday. He really didn't have to say a word, he is the coach over his players and he owes the public nothing on why a player does or doesn't play....
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Re: Why not Trust our Coaches?
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Because we have NOT WON a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP since DANNY FORD was Head Coach and Danny didn't think twice about starting a freshman named William Refrigerator Perry ...even in the TITLE GAME. Put Feaster in the game more ...he is explosive ...and we need it right now.
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I would be embarrassed to say I couldn't get a 5 star a
Oct 18, 2016, 3:18 PM
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carry or 3, even if he only came in on those 3 RUNNING plays
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^starstruck^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^***
Oct 18, 2016, 3:29 PM
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Talent-struck
Oct 18, 2016, 5:15 PM
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His speed is unmistakable. Stars or not, he is obviously the most physically gifted back on the roster.
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:18 PM
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Well this should be fun
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How much worse could he have done
Oct 18, 2016, 3:23 PM
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than fumbling at the 1 yard line ?
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BS
Oct 18, 2016, 3:25 PM
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All that crap he said about pecking order and 80 hours of evaluation a week goes out the window when he says "oh but CJ (the guy 3rd in line) got hot so we went with him." What if Feaster had gotten hot?
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Actually, he said CJ was 4th in line.
Oct 18, 2016, 3:38 PM
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How far can it be from 4 to 5?
And if we remove the #3 tailback because of a fumble (he "had his chance"), why is Ray-Ray still catching (or bobbling) punts?
I respect what Scott and Eliot have accomplished, but I really dislike the alibis...
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And since when is 3.5 ypc "hot"?***
Oct 18, 2016, 3:57 PM
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maybe they were using Tommy Bowden's thermometer***
Oct 18, 2016, 5:19 PM
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Re: And since when is 3.5 ypc "hot"?***
Oct 18, 2016, 8:02 PM
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When the defense is loading the box with 7 and 8 players leaving very little room to run at best. Have any of you guys ever played football? It is really difficult to block seven with 5 and that is what our offensive line deals with on nearly every play.
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No excuse for not giving him at least 1 single carry or
Oct 18, 2016, 3:25 PM
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having him run a wheel route. After Gallman went out it seemed like all we did was hand off up the middle and NC State was ready for it every time.
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unfortunately, there have been several excuses***
Oct 18, 2016, 5:24 PM
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I believe Coach Elliott already explained why...
Oct 18, 2016, 3:25 PM
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That's good enough for me.
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Exactly - they wanted guys with more experience, guys they
Oct 18, 2016, 6:28 PM
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felt they could trust more in that sitiuation. That is perfectly reasonable; why is that so hard for people to understand?
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Because it sounds like BS
Oct 18, 2016, 6:51 PM
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when one of the guys they claim to trust more has had fumbling problems his entire career and fumbled AGAIN at the one yard line which very nearly cost us the game.
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Fumbling problems his entire career? Dye?
Oct 18, 2016, 11:47 PM
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How many fumbles did he have before Saturday?
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Re: I believe Coach Elliott already explained why...
Oct 18, 2016, 10:29 PM
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Disagree there bud. I thought Elliott's explanation was lacking detail and was stated in a fairly cryptic manner.
This explanation leaves no questions. I'm good now. Before that, it was all speculation.
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is someone on Tigernet Staff related?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:26 PM
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This is the second story on the same subject. Starting to wonder what is the motive behind these stories????
Or is Tigernet just filling up space because nothing else to talk about? This is starting to sound like a mom sitting in the stands during a high school game, wondering why her son is not playing.
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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It's a legit question at this point.
Oct 18, 2016, 3:35 PM
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None of the three guys ahead of him did anything impressive after Gallman went down. Feaster has a gear that none of our other backs, including Gallman, have. I could understand if he had some fumbling issues at some point, but he hasn't.
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Re: It's a legit question at this point.
Oct 18, 2016, 3:57 PM
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I do not believe it is a legitimate point. Then the next question will be why is so and so getting more snaps, or why is so and so starting.
I am not there day to day on the practice fields and please let me know if you are. The coaches make those decisions, and even the information they give out about it.
Like I said, sounds like a High School Mom, and the reason I asked if anyone was related.,
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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Hogan thinks the coaches are infallible. Got it.***
Oct 18, 2016, 4:00 PM
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Wrong, but did not go to personal attacks like you just did.
Oct 18, 2016, 4:03 PM
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I guess you are just that type of person. Too bad so sad.
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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Hogan also has no clue what a personal attack is.***
Oct 18, 2016, 6:52 PM
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Re: Clemson Poker 489, same who said Fire Dabo in 2010
Oct 18, 2016, 7:26 PM
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You are just a troll.
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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I'm a lot of things, troll isn't one of them.
Oct 18, 2016, 8:55 PM
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And yes, I was wrong about something six years ago. Sue me.
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CU Guru [1071]
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Re: Hogan thinks the coaches are infallible. Got it.***
Oct 18, 2016, 8:07 PM
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Hogan never said the coaches are infallible but you sound like they can't do anything right, even though they are still undefeated.
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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I've criticized like three things all year.
Oct 18, 2016, 8:56 PM
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The Auburn decision was bad, not playing Feaster was questionable, and switching from the jumbo package just because NCSU took a timeout was another questionable fear-based decision.
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:29 PM
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Except CJ averaged 3.5 ypc and was not in a rhythm. I trust the coaches but this kid is only 5 on the depth chart bc they are terrified of the guys in front of him leaving if he gets the nod
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Orange Elite [5304]
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:34 PM
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So in other words, you have guys you don't want transferring out of the program (after they've worked hard to return from injuries that have plagued them for 2 years) if you allow a freshman to jump them in the "pecking order" and he shines. That I actually already knew and understood.
But here's the thing...the ONLY guy that seemed to get hot WAS Fuller. Choice & Dye never did. That leaves you honestly at being 1 deep....and when you are sitting at 1 deep with your main starter out, you try all of them if you need to. Can't say you know if you could have been 2 deep if you tried the other guy. Or better yet, why not go back to Clemson Spiller era...2 RB's in the backfield...Feaster as one, and whomever is the better pass blocker/blocker as the other?? Interchange while still keeping in the better blocker?
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Orange Blooded [2387]
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Apparently that formation is no longer in the "play book"***
Oct 18, 2016, 3:41 PM
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Orange Elite [5304]
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Re: Apparently that formation is no longer in the "play book"***
Oct 18, 2016, 3:45 PM
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Needs to find it's way back home then. That could be very useful in re-establishing our run game, even with Gallman included. I figured for sure with them bringing in Feaster (and giving him Spiller's number), we'd see the return of it...but nada...not once yet.
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Team Captain [450]
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:34 PM
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I think Coach Scott spelled this out: hasn't earned the right to play in difficult situations.
I know that Feaster is good or we would not have recruited him. In high school he was THE MAN, but now he is 1 among many. I have no idea of Feaster's attitude and disposition at this time but when he learns that CU football requires a mental and physical discipline, he will flourish. I can not wait for that day to arrive.
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Athletic Dir [1110]
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Is it a ploy?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:35 PM
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Remember the fake punt debacle last season? Dabo was roasted for a week or more about laying into his punter so harshly. He addressed it in an interview saying, I dont think we have to worry about him trying that again. Then we had "the catch felt around the world" ala Christian Wilkins.
Fast forward. When 8s Feaster, why is Feaster, how is Feaster, etc. Coaches basically say "he is a liability in pass protection". Why? Because the complicated schemes of defenses and blitzes will confuse him, so we only play him on running plays...
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:39 PM
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I'm not buying the explanation. They can and should have a few plays that Feaster and the coaching staff feel comfortable with and let him go in certain situations, but he needs to touch the field more and as for him saying games like that aren't for Freshman...bs Bama OSU and Michigan all play inexperienced players in critical situations. I know that line isn't used in recruiting.
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 6:06 PM
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Honestly, none of our explanations matter since we are not the ones making the decision but I trust in the coaches who want to win way more than we can even imagine and they have a lot more at stake if they do not win. I am excited to see Feaster once the coaches feel he is ready to flourish & I''m certain he'll be amazing!
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Nobody asked why Cornell Powell didn't play
Oct 18, 2016, 3:54 PM
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because everybody trusts our wide receivers. That isn't the case with our RBs past Gallman.
I don't think anybody is saying Fuller should've been the first choice after Gallman went down, but we know how talented he is and would like to see him at least get a chance to try when nobody else is having success.
Through 7 games Feaster has around half as many carries as Mike Bellamy had at the same point as a freshman. Are you really going to tell me that the coaches trust Feaster less than a guy who couldn't block to save his life and barely learned any of the playbook?
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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Choice is the #2, not Fuller.***
Oct 18, 2016, 3:58 PM
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Re: Choice is the #2, not Fuller.***
Oct 18, 2016, 4:12 PM
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Where I said Fuller should've been Feaster. My bad.
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Orange Blooded [2184]
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Sometimes we hear "He is just to good to keep off the field"
Oct 18, 2016, 3:55 PM
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and the fans are simply wanting something that isn't there quite yet. Be patient folks. Let Gallman do his thing. If we hadn't had 9 fumbles in two games, this would be a non issue.
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Oculus Spirit [39223]
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I don't think anyone believes he should play over
Oct 18, 2016, 3:58 PM
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Wayne, but after Gallman wasn't available, Feaster should have at least gotten a series or two to see what he could do.
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All-Pro [705]
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 3:58 PM
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A lot of this is Willy Korn syndrome. Local high school superstar who's really not quite ready to take over as a true freshman. I think if he matures and learns all aspects of the position like pass protection, he'll start next year. Clearly he's got the talent. Not every 5* is ready from day one.
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Team Captain [450]
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Somebody gets it!!!!
Oct 18, 2016, 4:16 PM
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Thank you sir!
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National Champion [7120]
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He doesn't have to pass protect if he comes in for a carry
Oct 18, 2016, 5:01 PM
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or 2. NCSt wouldn't have been able to figure out that he's not in to block with just a couple of plays.
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Clemson Conqueror [12086]
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How would that make sense.....Feaster comes in and they ....
Oct 18, 2016, 5:52 PM
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immediately know we are going to run, so they stack the box. Watson sees that and changes the play to a pass, so now you have feaster in and we are throwing the ball. I trust the coaches that see these guys every day in practice. I want to see Feaster too, but only when he is ready. It takes a while!
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National Champion [7120]
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i guess DW couldn't check into a quick pass***
Oct 18, 2016, 9:53 PM
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Willy Korn had a misdiagnosed injury
Oct 18, 2016, 5:29 PM
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and nobody's saying Feaster should be starting, just that he should have more than 16 carries by now (12 of which came against SC State)
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Tiger Spirit [9896]
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 4:04 PM
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Christian Wilkins on the wheel route please....
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Heisman Winner [81478]
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everyone always wants
Oct 18, 2016, 4:07 PM
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the 5th string running back to play
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Standout [208]
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 4:09 PM
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You guys don't understand that there are checks that are made at the line. Those checks are limited to a run when you don't trust your back in pass protection. You'd make a check to a pass if the box is loaded but you're in danger if the back misses his assignment. These guys know what they're doing
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Letterman [170]
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Enough about Feaster already!
Oct 18, 2016, 4:38 PM
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This is the second article this week about Feaster not playing in the game against NC State. Coaches made a great point that THEY know how the players practice from week to week, and while Feaster is very talented, he isn't settled into the playbook yet. Coach Scott is right. A tight game is not the time to give a freshman playing time when he might get confused.
Sorry, I enjoy TigerNet, but two articles in the same week about this sounds like people whining. Feaster isn't a proven upperclassman, so let's stop asking about him as if he is. When he's ready, the coaches will play him.
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CU Guru [1071]
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Re: Enough about Feaster already!
Oct 18, 2016, 8:21 PM
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Yeah, intltiger12, but so many people on tigernet know so much more about football than our coaches do!
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when did Fuller get hot?***
Oct 18, 2016, 4:43 PM
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CU Guru [1071]
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Re: when did Fuller get hot?***
Oct 18, 2016, 8:22 PM
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Fuller got hot when he started picking up 3, 4, and 5 yards against a loaded box.
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Freshman [2]
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 4:43 PM
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This sounds very much like the same arguments that went on during Deshaun's freshman year. It was so clear to everyone that DW was the best QB we could put out there, but the coaches kept saying, seemingly stubbornly, not so fast because there is a pecking order that we must follow. I'm not saying Feaster is our best RB, just that the conversation sounds deja by.
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National Champion [7120]
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He is our 3rd leading rusher. Can't get a carry with #1 out.***
Oct 18, 2016, 5:03 PM
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1st Rounder [645]
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Oct 18, 2016, 5:27 PM
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Careful....you're making a lot of sense and will get flamed for it.
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National Champion [7120]
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I wouldn't be happy with these comments if i'm TF***
Oct 18, 2016, 5:00 PM
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Oct 18, 2016, 5:07 PM
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I get the pecking order, but didn't Wayne go out early in the first. The game wasn't on the line then. We can only say it was on the line now because we struggled that game, and we know the outcome. The coaches have my support but just don't see eye to eye in this one.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Translation: He's a runner, but not yet a running back
Oct 18, 2016, 5:30 PM
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This aint high school where you can just hand the ball off and tell the guy to out-athlete everyone else on the field. People forget just how good of a total RB that Gallman is and how long it took him to get there.
Would you trust a true freshman to pick up a blitzing LB and protect our most valuable asset? If the coaches say he isn't ready, I'm not willing to risk Watson's health to a bunch of Keyboard Coaches. Right now we are a QB first Offense. If we were an OL first offense, then you can probably throw anyone back there to run with the football.
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 5:42 PM
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Because the coaches make the decision they feel is best for the team so it's not up to the fans or media to decide. The coaches spend time working with players at practice and they study way more film than any of us so this should not even be up for discussion!
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Clemson Conqueror [11441]
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If Feaster had what was needed, he would've played.
Oct 18, 2016, 5:44 PM
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Now us on TNet figuring out what's needed is like reading tea leaves. But I will say, one doesn't wind up fifth in the pecking order by accident. A performance deficiency is involved in one or more areas.
Coach and his staff obviously review and assess player performance in a multitude of areas. It appears to be done in a thorough and consistent manner. That's a reasonable approach.
It's worked out pretty good so far. I like conference championships and national title shots.
When Feaster hits the field, he'll have done all things necessary to earn it. I want to see it as bad as the next person.
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Offensive Star [325]
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Re: If Feaster had what was needed, he would've played.
Oct 19, 2016, 12:32 AM
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No one is saying make Feaster the starter and of course Fuller, Dye and Choice have paid their dues which i believe is important to DABO. But for crying out loud ....Feaster is explosive ...and some plays need to be set up for him to get in the open field. He needs to touch the ball more than he has and our offense will be even better.
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Athletic Dir [1164]
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No offense coach , but we the fans had to BEG for DW over Stout
Oct 18, 2016, 5:45 PM
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Remember "Stout gives us the best chance to win" well that changed quickly when the headlines read "where in the world has Watson been". It's a due diligence thing. I know Feaster needs to master the playbook and run block, but definitely give the guy a chance to spark a game. He's the only true threat back there besides Gallman. Definitely understand bringing him in at the right time to keep his confidence strong though. Just find a way to get him some touches
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Re: No offense coach , but we the fans had to BEG for DW over Stout
Oct 18, 2016, 5:49 PM
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Once the season started & coaches played both Stout & DW, they made the best decision for the team by making DW the starter. Later in the season Stout was not playing by coaches choice but due to DW injury so there's really no comparison. It's just a shame that so many fans question coaches who have made Clemson an elite football program!
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Re: No offense coach , but we the fans had to BEG for DW over Stout
Oct 18, 2016, 5:58 PM
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Once the season started & coaches played both Stout & DW, they made the best decision for the team by making DW the starter. DW missed spring ball with injury then Feaster had to recover from an injury this year so it is possible that some athletes simply learn the playbook & speed of the game faster than others. However, I'm quite sure the media had nothing to do with thei coaches decision to make the change. Later in the season Stout was not playing by coaches choice but due to DW injury so there's really no comparison to Stout having to be the starter & Feaster getting more playing time. I feel that it's such a shame so many fans question coaches who have made Clemson the elite football program they are today!
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Paw Warrior [4672]
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 18, 2016, 6:20 PM
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Evidently there's a lot of y'all that think y'all know more than the coaches do. Trust the coaches. They led us to an undefeated season and are undefeated so far this season. To me our staff is one of the top 5 staffs in the country. Keep it up Dabo. BEAT FSU!
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Orange Blooded [2482]
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It's like this...
Oct 18, 2016, 6:39 PM
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outside of Wayne, if Feaster plays worse than the other 3....we're in trouble.
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People can say whatever they want but
Oct 18, 2016, 6:59 PM
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I am definitely trusting the coaches. These guys obviously know what they are doing. Their track record speaks for itself. Guys have to execute, and with the exception of a very few plays they have done just that.
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Dynasty Maker [3480]
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Just wasting a year?
Oct 18, 2016, 7:40 PM
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He should be playing that he has break away speed. The others has just not improved at all. up the middle and get maybe 2 yards. OL not getting any push. Put him in and use the blocking TE and wide outs. Still can pass out of formation. He can catch too. The OL is build to pass block but not so much to run block.
I thinking it is more to not show FSU or other rb recruits how good he is.
Sad to burn the redshirt year. MB got to play some when he was freshmen. Something smells fishy!
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Re: Just wasting a year?
Oct 18, 2016, 7:55 PM
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Wasting a year??? Heck he probably plans on leaving early anyway & how do you or any of us know that the coaches didn't discuss the option of redshirting with Feaster since they were not sure he would beready for substantial playing time this year. Geez...let the coaches do their job & I''m quite sure Feaster will have ample opportunities to shine when the time is right.
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Dynasty Maker [3480]
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Re: Just wasting a year?
Oct 18, 2016, 8:03 PM
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If he is good he will only be here 3 years. That means just 2 more years.
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Re: Just wasting a year?
Oct 18, 2016, 8:08 PM
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Yes and that is his decision so another one we do not get to make. I'm so glad our coaches are wise enough not to put players in before they are ready so that none of them are at an even higher risk of getting hurt and ruining their career before it really gets started.
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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I don't think we are worried about a RS year.
Oct 18, 2016, 9:03 PM
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If he turns out to be as good as we think he will be eventually, than he was leaving early at one point anyway had he redshirted.
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CU Medallion [19964]
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Playing devil's advocate, wasn't Elliott a rookie coach ...
Oct 18, 2016, 10:16 PM
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Just last year. He did and Scott did exceptionally well as first year OC's. Of course, we are not seeing any coaching improvement this year with most of Offense back and turnovers are horrendous. A lot of work to be done. Will leave it up to Elliott, Scott & Dabo to decide who needs to be on the field, but Clemson is only major college team that would have given Elliott an OC role last year. He needs to consider players based on talent and coach them up just like Dabo and Morris gave him a chance.
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Trainer [33]
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"Got hot?" Are you freaking kidding me?!?! Rant below??
Oct 18, 2016, 11:46 PM
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You got a guy who "got hot?" Are you kidding me? CJ Fuller got hot? He couldn't get hot if he jumped into the lake of fire. He has ZERO playmaking ability. He's not even a steady back. The only thing he can do is not fumble, so if you want a guy in there who won't fumble, then maybe he's your guy. But, why oh why not just give Feaster a little out-route pass to see if he can get into space. I mean, my gosh, he's faster than the majority of the free world, the dude can fly -- just see if he can out run some people. Remember Spiller as a freshman? He openly admitted that he didn't have a clue what he was doing as a freshman, that he just tried to run outside the tackles and outrun everyone. And he split time with James Davis! And Spiller had a tremendous freshman year -- flat out outrunning everyone. Hello Elliott, I think you are WAY over thinking this one. Put in the guys who are your playmakers.
By the way, to respond to another point: You don't put in Cornell Powell or Overton because you got Artavis, Williams, McCloud, Renfrow, Leggett, Trevion! These are all future NFL players! Duh. No one is asking those questions because it's obvious why you would sit them. We're talking CJ Fuller!!!! Great guy I'm sure, but couldn't clean the cleats of NFL players. PUT IN FEASTER!!!!!!!
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Trayvon Mullen
Oct 19, 2016, 9:31 AM
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I know this player is on D but if this theory holds why was he (another frosh) in the game late drawing an interference penalty that extended a drive that could have cost us the game????
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Offensive Star [325]
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Re: New Story: Why not Feaster?
Oct 19, 2016, 12:21 AM
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Feaster is the most explosive RB we have and should get some carries in every game. Furthermore , we should have some plays to jet sweep him or throw to him on the edge and get him into open space. He is another weapon ...use him. As the great Head Coach John McKay of the real USC and Tampa Bay Bucs once said about putting an inexperienced QB in the game,..." he ain't gonna learn anything sittin on the bench ".
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Trainer [33]
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Why so must trust in our OC's
Oct 19, 2016, 11:54 AM
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If this was Venebles making this decision, I'm definitely more inclined to trust it. But, we're talking about a sophomore OC. Just bc he says it, doesn't mean it's truth. It's OK to question coaches fellas.
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