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TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 10:42 AM
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 10:45 AM
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So we cut the schedule down by one game and force teams to pick up more P5 games just to accommodate ND?
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SAY WHUT !!!!!!!
Jul 24, 2020, 10:47 AM
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So________________________________ they gona' give Notre Dame a ""free pass"" into the league ( this season only ?????? ) they get a share of conference money?? ( without being a member ???? )
this just keeps getting better and better*****************************
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Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***
Jul 24, 2020, 11:13 AM
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Re: Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***
Jul 24, 2020, 11:38 AM
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You're either a ACC member, or you're not. They can not be allowed to have it both ways, and the ACC should never ever bother with catering to no school who has refused to bring their FB program into the ACC. They shouldn't have never been allowed to bring their other sports into the ACC without their FB to begin with. Swofford and the ACC screwed that up just as they are considering to screw this deal up. It should be, must be, get all the way in ND, or get the h&ll all the way out. All or nothing bc the ACC isn't that hard up to ever have made the deal with ND that they made, period!!!
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No way! Formally join the conference in football or get lost
Jul 25, 2020, 1:10 AM
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The idea that ND could play in the ACC Championship game or represent the ACC in the CFP is not just ridiculous, it's an insult to the rest of the conference.
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Re: Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***
Jul 26, 2020, 1:51 AM
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I understand how you feel. But if I may, let me explain a bit about the numbers in play, because most people don't seem to understand them when they go off on Notre Dame's relationship with the ACC and the huge NBC money deal that, out of arrogance and greed, they aren't sharing with the ACC.
Last year, the full members and Notre Dame split about $413 million in ACC revenues. Full members got $29 million, and ND got $7 million. That's $3.6 million per game for full members, and $1.4 million per game for Notre Dame. Meaning, the deal with the ACC guarantees the ACC an additional inventory of five games at a (steep) discount of about 60%. So, maybe not quite as bad a deal as it looks on the face of it.
Second, Notre Dame's deal with NBC is worth about $15 million a year, or about $14 million less than what it would make as a full ACC member. Add the $7 million from the ACC and ND is still making $7 million less than it would as full ACC members. So, ND is taking a $7 million pay cut for the privilege of scheduling three fewer games than full ACC members. That might be arrogant, but it doesn't seem greedy.
Now, with those figures in hand, suppose Notre Dame plays this season as a full member. Suppose they throw their $15 million from the NBC deal into the pot, and the ACC then gave ND an equal share of the revenues for the year. Again using last year's numbers, the pot would now be $428 million. Split 15 ways, that's $28.5 million apiece.
So, why isn't anyone talking about that NBC deal money share, and why do the powers that be at the ACC drive some fans nuts because they don't demand that Notre Dame join the conference? The fact that it would cost each full member about $500,000 a year to bring Notre Dame in as a full member probably has a lot to do with it.
Maybe it's a better deal for the ACC than a lot of people to think? Maybe Notre Dame's arrogant and maybe not, but it's hard to make the case that they're greedy. And when you look at the numbers, it's hard to make the case that the ACC is getting a raw deal, too.
I hope we still get to play this year. 
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Re: Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***
Jul 26, 2020, 8:07 AM
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What do they make from their non-ACC games, you know, that don’t benefit the ACC in any way? You really think the ACC would turn down Notre Dame for a cost of $500k/school? What about Notre Dame’s post season play? How much did they make from that? You are probably aware that in some years, Clemson lost money on the post season because it is split among the conference, and we made less back than the cost of travel, etc. So how raw of a deal is Notre dame getting, being that they don’t share any post season revenue? If they are able to play the ACC conf/bowl berth, I’m sure they’ll be happy to share that revenue as well.
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Re: Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***
Jul 27, 2020, 3:11 AM
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>What do they make from their non-ACC games, you know, that don’t benefit the ACC in any way?
Probably about the same as other ACC teams make in their non-conference games.
>You really think the ACC would turn down Notre Dame for a cost of $500k/school?
Probably not. My point, though, is to point out that the ACC isn't losing money on the current deal, as many appear to believe. The reverse, in fact.
>What about Notre Dame’s post season play? How much did they make from that?
Perhaps you can read up on this one yourself if you're really interested, but I'll say that ND gets $3.19 million from the CFP in lieu of an equal share of the $66 million that the rest of the ACC teams split.
>You are probably aware that in some years, Clemson lost money on the post season because it is split among the conference, and we made less back than the cost of travel, etc.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy this. For example, this article: https://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-acc-revenue-taxes-0526-story.html says that Clemson and Miami got a bigger split of the total ACC revenues than any of the other teams did in 2017/18, presumably because they both went to the championship game. The difference was about $3.5 million, and that's on top of $2.43 million each that the CFP pays to individual schools for traveling expenses. I'm also able to find info that Clemson spent a total of $5.4 million on the 2016/2017 CFP. If Clemson actually lost money, then I can't find it. It looks like they about break even when they go to the playoffs. And it certainly looks like the actual split between teams takes the CFP expenses into account.
>So how raw of a deal is Notre dame getting, being that they don’t share any post season revenue?
I haven't said, nor do I mean to imply, that Notre Dame is getting a raw deal. Just that the ACC isn't either. Furthermore, I can't find anything to back up your assertion that they don't share any postseason revenue. The most I can find is that the arrangement with Notre Dame hasn't been made public. That said, last year ND got a $3.19 million CFP payout lieu of a share of the $66 million that the ACC gets. Again, how they share any of the lesser bowl revenues (non-NY6-or-CFP-bowl revenues) hasn't been made public, but even if they were allowed to keep all of that, it wouldn't amount to the
>If they are able to play the ACC conf/bowl berth, I’m sure they’ll be happy to share that revenue as well.
That's the arrangement. At least, it is if you accept that a "lump sum that is less than a full share" constitutes "sharing." It appears that both sides are happy with the arrangement, even if the average fan has formed a negative opinion of it based on reading a mess of the the average "it isn't fair, because it just isn't" articles on the matter. Not to say that informed opinions can't differ from my own, but most opinions on this (on both sides) are surprisingly uninformed, and based on erroneous assumptions.
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If ND gets access this year, we should make it a requirement
Jul 24, 2020, 10:50 AM
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that they are all in forever. Join now, or no games this year.
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Re: If ND gets access this year, we should make it a requirement
Jul 24, 2020, 11:24 AM
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I totally agree ND needs to join as a full fledged member
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Re: If ND gets access this year, we should make it a requirement
Jul 24, 2020, 11:48 AM
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YES!!! I agree. Commit or get out!
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Re: If ND gets access this year, we should make it a requirement
Jul 26, 2020, 2:06 AM
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Not really. Neither side really has any leverage over the other. If ND joined the ACC as a full member, then even if they threw all the NBC money into the pot, all the other teams' share of the total would drop by $500k. If Notre Dame dropped the NBC deal and took the same TV deal as all the other teams, then the price tag per team for ND's full membership would be $1.5 million a year using last year's numbers.
So, the more money the ACC makes, the better the deal with Notre Dame looks as it stands. Things are a lot better balanced in terms of advantage for both sides than most fans appear to realize.
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what you didnt address is if ND joined how much bargaining
Jul 27, 2020, 9:06 AM
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power would that give the ACC in renegotiating its TV contract. From what ive read on the ACC contract is that it is unfortunately locked in long term due to some bad negotiating IMO by the ACC to allow itself to get locked in for so long. However, ND could be a saving grace as I have read that adding a new member would trigger a clause in the contract to allow it to renegotiate for that change. IMO the addition of ND would substantially improve the ACCs bargaining power and the value of that contract and may even cause a bidding war between ABC/Disney/ESPN and NBC for those rights. The ACC would be able to market games such as ND/Clemson, ND/Miami, ND/FSU, ND/BC (old rivals), ND/VT on a consistent basis as conference games and with ND as a member would also have access to revenue sharing of ND OOC schedule such as ND/USC, ND/Stanford, ND/Mich, etc. Also, having ND would allow the ACC to renegotiate its bowl tie in contracts for either a better bowl line up or more payout money from current lineup due that they would now have ND as an option to fill its bowl slots.
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Legend [6871]
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for OOC ACC wouldnt get game $$ but would get TV $$
Jul 27, 2020, 9:11 AM
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if broadcast under ACC TV deal
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Re: If ND gets access this year, we should make it a requirement
Jul 24, 2020, 12:08 PM
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Absolutely, and if they join this season just to have FB, they would still be in that $50 mil buyout, and if they don't pay, they could stay in court until they do or make a lesser payment in full, deal, of about half of that, but, the ACC would have that choke hold on them, and being in the ACC is better than a NBC TV deal that won't last forever, and it's better than being independent in today's college playoff system!!!
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 10:51 AM
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Only fair that Clemson should get to play for the Big 10 conference championship to slightly elevate our standing. Makes just as much sense.
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 10:51 AM
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Only fair that Clemson should get to play for the Big 10 conference championship to slightly elevate our standing. Makes just as much sense.
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If we have a 10 game conference schedule and ND does not
Jul 24, 2020, 11:01 AM
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play 10 conference games, they had better not let them anywhere near our championship game.
This is ridiculous. Count them as a member of the conference for one year? Absurd.
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Re: If we have a 10 game conference schedule and ND does not
Jul 24, 2020, 11:10 AM
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Agree totally. They gotta play 10 ACC games if they want to be in the championship game.
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Re: If we have a 10 game conference schedule and ND does not
Jul 25, 2020, 1:18 AM
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This sounds a little better, but not enough. If their football team is not a formal member of the ACC, then they have no claim to an ACC title in any way, shape, or form. They are an OOC team.
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 11:04 AM
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Will be interesting to see which division or “pod” ND falls into. I’ll bet it will be opposite Clemson so we might end up playing them again in the ACCCG. I wouldn’t mind stomping the mud out of them twice in the same year!!!
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 11:10 AM
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ND will play a full ACC schedule in 2020. The remaining question is whether they'll be eligible for the ACCCG. Each team will need to add 2 league games with ND adding 4 teams.
I'm 100% certain that UNC's 2 additional league games will be @ Clemson (proximity and attractive match up)and ND. Add Auburn as our + 1 opponent and that's a HELLEVA schedule.
Thus, Clemson's two additional league games would be ND and UNC.
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 11:12 AM
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Our +1 will be the coots. Has to be. Auburn would be better from SOS standpoint but the rivalry game needs to happen.
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 11:17 AM
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Sorry, when you said “our +1” I naturally thought you meant Clemson.
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Hello - can you give us any details as to why you are "100%
Jul 24, 2020, 11:44 AM
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certain"? Do you have insider information?
I still don't care to let Notre Dame in our championship game. Notre Dame is not in the ACC, and adding them to the schedule this year doesn't change that. And oh good grief...if they were a tag-along for one year in the ACC, WON the ACC and then left the ACC...well, that would just not stand.
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I doubt the kick-back scheme to $woffie requires ND to join the ACC.***
Jul 24, 2020, 1:51 PM
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 25, 2020, 1:30 AM
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If they are not a FB member of the ACC, they have right or any business in anything named in ACC FB period. They don't belong in either division bc they aren't a member of either division!!! That would be no different than USUC claiming the right to play in an ACC championship game bc they play us every year!!!
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ND NOT IN ACC or I want share of NBC money***
Jul 24, 2020, 11:12 AM
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Has anyone asked if ND is sharing any of their NBC money?
Jul 24, 2020, 11:13 AM
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or are all the ACC teams just bending over as one.
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Re: Has anyone asked if ND is sharing any of their NBC money?
Jul 24, 2020, 11:22 AM
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OR, the ACC (by saving ND's butt this season) could be setting things up to add ND in fb on a permanent basis. This could help set the stage. In this regard, what do you want to bet that the NL keeps the DH permanently and not just this COVID season?
ND could play (in normal seasons) a 9 game ACC schedule, leaving room for their traditional rivals of Navy, USC, Mich, Stanford et al. Could alternate playing some of them.
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Re: Has anyone asked if ND is sharing any of their NBC money?
Jul 24, 2020, 12:16 PM
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That type of thinking usually comes to nothing, and why should it, they got what they wanted, a temporary place to rest their head cost free!!!!
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Exactly right. ND doesn't budge because they think they
Jul 24, 2020, 12:40 PM
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don't need us, so why should we budge when they think they do need us? Sign on the dotted line or go pound sand. If Swofford is doing this thinking ND will realize what a great group of people we are and join the conference, he hasn't been paying attention.
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Swoffie working on his out-the-door ND 'golden parachute'.***
Jul 24, 2020, 1:40 PM
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Re: Exactly right. ND doesn't budge because they think they
Jul 25, 2020, 1:52 AM
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You do know that you are talking about a POS that went to bat for his Alumni being accused of some of the worst rule breaking in all of college sports helping them to get a slap on the wrist for it. But years earlier petitioned the the ACC for added punishment to Clemson after the NCAA had already handed out their punishment, and Clemson offences were a lot less harmful than what UNCheat was guilty of, but Clemson received harsh punishment with the help of Swofford pushing the ACC to further punish Clemson after the NCAA already had, that is the Swofford you're talking about!!!
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 11:29 AM
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The absolute worst thing that could happen for the ACC is if they allow ND to have their cake and eat it all without bringing their FB program to ACC as an ACC member in FB as with their other sports.
They did not want to bring their FB into the ACC only bc of the big money deal they have with NBC and their TV rights. If they can't share that money with the ACC, how would/could it be right to allow them to earn money from ACC FB, and from a private contract they have with NBC.
That would allow them to get their lucky charm bucket filled two ways, from the ACC and NBC. If this is allowed, then Clemson should pull it's FB from the ACC, and contract a private TV rights deal so Clemson can collect from the ACC and a private source. How is it fair for one and not all???
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 11:33 AM
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That’s IF we have a season. Watch them put them and us in same division
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Jul 24, 2020, 11:33 AM
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That’s IF we have a season. Watch them put them and us in same division
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 3:18 PM
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They won’t put us in the same division at least not this year. The potential for Clemson/ND in the ACCCG has to be very appealing to the bigwigs. So we just get to stomp the mud out of them twice this year....
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 11:39 AM
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I say give them a free pass this year....whatever they want/need. That way in a couple of years the ACC can say look at how good we were to you in your time of need....it's time for you to return the favor and become a full member. This year is f'd anyway...now is the time to dangle that carrot not shut em out.
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 25, 2020, 1:29 AM
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It should be now or never time for ND. The ACC has the leverage to force the issue. That opportunity will knock only once.
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 25, 2020, 10:54 AM
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I say give them a free pass this year....whatever they want/need. That way in a couple of years the ACC can say look at how good we were to you in your time of need....it's time for you to return the favor and become a full member. This year is f'd anyway...now is the time to dangle that carrot not shut em out.
What a crap idea and logic.
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 25, 2020, 10:54 AM
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I say give them a free pass this year....whatever they want/need. That way in a couple of years the ACC can say look at how good we were to you in your time of need....it's time for you to return the favor and become a full member. This year is f'd anyway...now is the time to dangle that carrot not shut em out.
What a crap idea and logic.
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Don't care - spot the ball
Jul 24, 2020, 11:39 AM
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Don't care - spot the ball
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So how will it work? 8 teams one div 7 the other
Jul 24, 2020, 12:38 PM
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Or just best two records play? Look for it to be best two records and UNC skips ND Clemson FSU VT
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So how will it work? 8 teams one div 7 the other
Jul 24, 2020, 12:38 PM
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Or just best two records play? Look for it to be best two records and UNC skips ND Clemson FSU VT
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 12:49 PM
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I have no problem with Notre Dame being eligible for the ACC Championship. Our original schedule had us playing ND which means making the playoff requires beating the Irish. May as well be in the ACC Championship game when we pluck the 4 leaf clover.
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What a complete load !!!!
Jul 24, 2020, 12:56 PM
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One for the road huh Swoffie !?!?!?!
Wow...just wow !!!!
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...of bull$hit!
Jul 24, 2020, 1:19 PM
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There I said it.
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Orange Immortal [67419]
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I can't believe this is even remotely being considered.***
Jul 24, 2020, 1:24 PM
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Campus Hero [13799]
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The problem with using this leverage to get ND into the
Jul 24, 2020, 1:18 PM
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ACC permanently is that it's horrible press for the conference. The league would get eviscerated publicly for using COVID-19 to coerce ND football into joining the ACC. Maybe everyone is OK with taking the public black eye for that, but it would certainly come across as a #### move.
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Disagree....it's about the dollars and nothing but...
Jul 24, 2020, 1:22 PM
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If anything, ND would look stubborn and I don't think any tears would shed for them outside of ND.
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I disagree
Jul 25, 2020, 1:44 AM
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It's OK for the league to play them, but for them to contend for the title is on a whole different level. If they want to play for the ACC title, they must be an ACC member. No exceptions. And that is logical for anyone who is not a ND, or possibly an OSU, fan.
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Oculus Spirit [41635]
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ef ND get in or get out. Swoffie is such an idiot.***
Jul 24, 2020, 1:27 PM
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National Champion [7506]
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And the preferential treatment for Notre Dame continues
Jul 24, 2020, 1:57 PM
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you're telling me they'l have the luxury of remaining independent financially AND be able benefit from the fruits of conference affiliation? Best of both worlds.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59398]
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Re: And the preferential treatment for Notre Dame continues
Jul 25, 2020, 1:55 AM
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They are eating all of their cake, and throwing away anything that's left without sharing!!!
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 7:46 PM
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Swofford's swan song, one last try to screw Clemson
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 8:20 PM
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WTH. ND has made it clear for years that they don't need to be associated with a conference. Now with theevents of this crazy year the ACC is willing to bend over and take it ... I won't say what I am thinking , but I think the ACC should shut ND out completely. After all they are Notre Dame they don't need anybody . Let them pick up 10 games with FCS teams. I hope the ACC has got enough backbone to say that non conference members CANNOT PLAY FOR A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP !!! Otherwise you just have a championship game not a conference championship game.
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Re: TNET: Reports: New ACC football schedule emerging as favorite
Jul 24, 2020, 8:20 PM
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WTH. ND has made it clear for years that they don't need to be associated with a conference. Now with theevents of this crazy year the ACC is willing to bend over and take it ... I won't say what I am thinking , but I think the ACC should shut ND out completely. After all they are Notre Dame they don't need anybody . Let them pick up 10 games with FCS teams. I hope the ACC has got enough backbone to say that non conference members CANNOT PLAY FOR A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP !!! Otherwise you just have a championship game not a conference championship game.
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