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Nov 6, 2025, 6:31 AM
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Job 28:
"1 Surely there is a vein for the silver, and a place for gold where they fine it.
2 Iron is taken out of the earth, and brass is molten out of the stone.
3 He setteth an end to darkness, and searcheth out all perfection: the stones of darkness, and the shadow of death.
4 The flood breaketh out from the inhabitant; even the waters forgotten of the foot: they are dried up, they are gone away from men.
5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.
6 The stones of it are the place of sapphires: and it hath dust of gold.
7 There is a path which no fowl knoweth, and which the vulture's eye hath not seen:
8 The lion's whelps have not trodden it, nor the fierce lion passed by it.
9 He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by the roots.
10 He cutteth out rivers among the rocks; and his eye seeth every precious thing.
11 He bindeth the floods from overflowing; and the thing that is hid bringeth he forth to light.
12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
13 Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.
14 The depth saith, It is not in me: and the sea saith, It is not with me.
15 It cannot be gotten for gold, neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof.
16 It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir, with the precious onyx, or the sapphire.
17 The gold and the crystal cannot equal it: and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold.
18 No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom is above rubies.
19 The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it, neither shall it be valued with pure gold.
20 Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?
21 Seeing it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air.
22 Destruction and death say, We have heard the fame thereof with our ears.
23 God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.
24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;
25 To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.
26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:
27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.
28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."
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Re: Drop and dash: Wisdom.
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Nov 6, 2025, 9:02 AM
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rastle not with a blind man lest you both fall into a pit
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This helped me . . .
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Nov 7, 2025, 10:55 AM
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Job 28 is a poetic chapter in the Bible that contrasts the human ability to mine for earthly treasures with the unattainable nature of divine wisdom. The chapter concludes that while people can find gold and silver, true wisdom cannot be bought or found through human effort; it is found only in God, who understands its place and can give it. The meaning is that the fear of the Lord and turning away from evil is wisdom, a gift from God rather than a commodity that can be purchased.
I completely acknowledge that as humans we are limited in our ability to understand many things, and I believe that there is a reality and wisdom beyond that ability. What I don't understand or accept is why we should be in fear of the one who created us and supposedly loves us? Why would he create everything in such a way . . . for what purpose? I don't claim or expect to have all of the answers, but that doesn't mean that all explanations are equally probable or believeable. Ones that are at odds with common sense and defy reason are not blindly accepted by me.
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Nov 8, 2025, 11:05 AM
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That means that if you are telling me that God loves me, but created me knowing that I would burn in hell for eternity, you've got a lot of explaining to do (if what I think matters to you, or you are interested in making your case). I understand and accept that a lot of very fine, intelligent people believe that; I've just never had a sensible explanation as to how or why.
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Nov 8, 2025, 2:35 PM
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“ I completely acknowledge that as humans we are limited in our ability to understand many things, and I believe that there is a reality and wisdom beyond that ability.”
I don’t think you are giving mankind the credit it deserves.
There is no proof that a higher power exists. If there is I would love to hear it.
We have done amazing things. Medicine, travel, entertainment, technology, have all improved tremendously especially over the last couple centuries.
We figured all that out on our own. Not with the help of some deity.
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Nov 8, 2025, 4:40 PM
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I don’t think you are giving mankind the credit it deserves.
I am merely pointing out the fact that we are limited in our ability to know and fully understand certain things ..... like "Is there a God?", "Why are we here?", "What happens when we die?", etc. etc.
Not sure how that means I'm selling us short. I think we are remarkable creatures in a remarkable world.
There is no proof that a higher power exists. If there is I would love to hear it.
Well, yeah. That assumption pretty much underlies my whole point.
We have done amazing things. Medicine, travel, entertainment, technology, have all improved tremendously especially over the last couple centuries.
100%! I'm in no way suggesting otherwise.
We figured all that out on our own. Not with the help of some deity.
You may be correct; like you said, there is no proof. It's entirely a matter of faith. That's the limitation I'm talking about. The absence of proof, however, doesn't mean it's not true. I'm just applying reason as best as I can, and considering other factors such as instincts, feelings, and experience. It's entirely a personal, individual thing, and I don't expect anyone else to agree with me. What I do challenge is people who do claim to KNOW, or that we can KNOW, and therefore people who disagree with them are WRONG.
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Nov 8, 2025, 5:36 PM
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I don’t believe there is a limitation because there is no evidence for a higher power.
That is how I believe you are selling us short…by assuming that there is a higher power and that we are therefore limited and inferior.
I don’t see any reason to believe in a higher power. There is no evidence for it in nature. In fact I would say the opposite. There is chaos in nature.
We’ve have actually overcome nature in a lot of ways like I mentioned previously. We have beaten disease and natural disaster. If there is a god he chose not to help us.
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I get it. I can't prove it either way, and I think your take is reasonable.
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Nov 8, 2025, 7:53 PM
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Personally, I believe it's more likely, given the staggering vastness of the known universe, that what we don't know far exceeds what we will ever know, and that there is some form of life or existence for us beyond this physical earthly one.
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Re: I get it. I can't prove it either way, and I think your take is reasonable.
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Nov 9, 2025, 1:51 PM
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I believe there is life out there somewhere. May be wrong but I think science says it’s probable and there is at least some evidence for it.
Personally though IMO the way mankind has improved as a species and made the world around us so much better from our primitive origins points away from there being an all powerful, loving creator that religion describes.
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I agree that the concepts of God developed over time by most religions
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Nov 9, 2025, 8:39 PM
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are flawed and lacking. For instance, the God you mention, as a separate "being" that is loving and all-powerful as described in the bible. If reason and critical thinking apply at all, then such a God makes zero sense. If reason and critical thinking don't apply, then any claim about God could be true, and there's no way to determine any difference between obvious truth and absurd nonsense.
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Re: Drop and dash: Wisdom.
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Nov 10, 2025, 6:38 AM
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Proverbs 1:
"7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
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Re: Drop and dash: Wisdom.
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Nov 10, 2025, 7:59 PM
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"the fool says in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1
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