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No _ not in America.***
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Dec 17, 2024, 6:34 PM
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CU Medallion [19771]
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Re: No _ not in America.***
Dec 17, 2024, 6:37 PM
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It's seems disingenuous for that person to say there is.
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 17, 2024, 6:36 PM
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Some auto correct stuff. Anyway, that should say that "I don't think there is a solution".
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: Are there really solutions?
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Dec 17, 2024, 7:06 PM
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We did not have to deal with school shootings a few decades ago. What were we doing then that we are not doing now? Maybe there’s part of a solution in there somewhere.
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 17, 2024, 7:16 PM
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After a little research it looks as if the problem really started taking off in the 90's. If I went going to guess I would say it has something to do with technology of some sort.
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 17, 2024, 8:13 PM
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That’s part of it.
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 17, 2024, 10:12 PM
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In addition to??
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: Are there really solutions?
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Dec 18, 2024, 6:18 AM
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Work with me here. You got the technology part right. What else has changed in schools, families, culture, over the past 4 or 5 decades ?
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 12:37 PM
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No idea. Why don't you just say it?
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: Are there really solutions?
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Dec 18, 2024, 2:00 PM
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I honestly wanted your thoughts. But here goes. Again, yes, to the technology. Also over several decades we have seen a decline in the family unit with absence of fathers. Discipline is also all but gone in schools. We got our ### beat in school when we misbehaved. Can’t do that to little Johnny today. I would also say erosion of the cultures moral compass in general.
People want to blame guns. Heck, when I went to high school I left my shot gun on the gun rack in the back window of the truck so I could hunt after school. Lots of kids did the same. Yet, we never even heard of school shootings. It’s not the gums. It’s the culture and families.
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 2:04 PM
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I don't think we can fix the family unit. I was thinking more along the lines of things we can change. I agree though with you that that is problem and that change has been terrible as far as raising kids. That ship has sailed and the cost of living is too high and wages don't cut it to fix that problem.
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 2:10 PM
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I understand the part about 2 working parents. I’m referring to absent in terms of divorce rate. I also see more “checked out parents” when it comes to guidance and discipline. Homes with fully engaged parents raise better kids. Now if that ship has sailed I agree we will never fix it.
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 2:13 PM
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I think financial stress is probably right up near the top for divorce rates.
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 2:18 PM
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Finances can create lots of stress but sometimes financial stress is self induced. Kids starting out today in no way have the financial stress that the older generations had. I in no way had the stress my parents and grandparents had in the 30s and 40s and yet marriages tended to last at a higher rate. A big cause of todays financial stress is the inability to say no to self and getting buried in debt.
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 2:24 PM
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Sometimes it is, but most of the time it isn't. It can be made worse, but it's worse than ever and people are not going to have the same family structure again in most of this country. It's just reality. There won't be the time and structure that was once there to parent.
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 2:35 PM
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If you’re saying the financial burden is worse now than ever we will just have to disagree.
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 3:33 PM
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It's a proven fact, but you can deny it.
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 5:35 PM
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Just to clarify, you’re saying personal financial health is more difficult now than ever? More difficult than the 1930s for example?
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 5:39 PM
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Well, the point of the conversation is that it is harder than it was before the 1990's when the gun violence wasn't so bad. We don't need to go back to the Great Depression or anything like that. We are talking more modern and that both parents need to work in much of the US to keep a roof over head and keep things afloat. It is just necessity. It's the way it is. That won't be changing sadly.
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 6:02 PM
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Lifestyle choices are still a big factor in all of that though.
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The rise of technology aka the internet,
Dec 18, 2024, 2:08 PM
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absolutely coincides with the fall of the family unit. The math maths for a thousand different reasons.
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If only we could zero in on the common thread in these shootings. Hmmmm....
Dec 17, 2024, 9:27 PM
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It's such a mystery.
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Re: If only we could zero in on the common thread in these shootings. Hmmmm....
Dec 17, 2024, 10:10 PM
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What's the realistic solution though? Hmmm
Back to square one and the same question.
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Dynasty Maker [3156]
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We need to decide how armed the "Well-Regulated Militia" needs to be....
Dec 17, 2024, 11:07 PM
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Most murders are by handguns. We should make it harder for people to own & carry handguns.
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Re: We need to decide how armed the "Well-Regulated Militia" needs to be....
Dec 18, 2024, 12:38 PM
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Sure, but how would that have stopped this scenario?
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Yes: do the opposite of what sh**libs want. That is always the answer.***
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Dec 18, 2024, 12:00 AM
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 18, 2024, 5:37 AM
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Murph and NC Tiger say we need to stop with the diversity and tolerance of anything non-white.
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Some problems can't be solved by attacking the problem
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Dec 18, 2024, 10:40 AM
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You have to attack the CAUSE of the problem to solve it. Easy route is to attack the problem directly, say you tried, blah blah, as the problem continues unabated.
Much harder to fix the cause. Because that's usually many other, much bigger problems.
I had access to guns. My friends had access to guns, and none of us would ever think about shooting up our school, as kids.
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I don't think there are. Not easy ones.
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Dec 18, 2024, 11:02 AM
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It's not just the guns, and we can't compare ourselves to other nations. We have something in our culture or mindset that is pushing this violence. I can't begin to tell you what that is, but maybe we're just not old enough as a country to get this violence out of our system yet. I dunno.
Everyone rushes to gun control, but blaming things for people's behavior isn't going to get us out of this mess.
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Re: I don't think there are. Not easy ones.
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Dec 18, 2024, 11:09 AM
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This won’t stop all of them, but consistently charging negligent parents for lackadaisical supervision of the guns in their homes would be a great start, especially in cases like this where its kids literally living under your roof posting all this whacky #### on the internet and shooting up their classmates.
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Strongly agree here
Dec 18, 2024, 11:23 AM
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If we're going to start somewhere, it has to be here.
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When I was in High School - half the pickup trucks parked in the parking lot
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Dec 18, 2024, 11:54 AM
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had guns hanging on gun racks that you could see in the window. Yet it was never in our thought processes that murdering a classmate or a teacher was an acceptable behavior much less an option to be exercised.
We have gotten to a place in our society where the value of human life among some segments of our populace is non-existent. There's no fear of reprisal, no fear of consequence, and no respect for the sanctity of life. Yet we can never seem to stop and ask "why" has this become a tremendous problem in the last 30 years where prior to that time it was truly a rare thing.
What changed? What can we do to cultivate the value, respect and sanctity of human life where murder is once again seen as morally abhorrent by all in our society - especially among young, immature minds?
Simply put - if we continue to focus on the implement of death and not the mind that wields the tool then this problem will not get any better. Guns are legal in the USA and that fact has been with us since our founding without the current level of problems. It's time to take a hard look in the mirror and honestly scrutinize some of our modern ways (i.e. media, cultural standards, entertainment, diet, views of mental health etc...) to see how we are producing so many in our society who believe murder is acceptable or are otherwise mentally imbalanced.
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Re: When I was in High School - half the pickup trucks parked in the parking lot
Dec 18, 2024, 12:03 PM
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While I agree with you, it’s not impossible for parents to A) recognize alarming signs in their children and B) keep guns out of their hands
Good parenting can’t be legislated, but punishment for negligent parenting leading to innocent deaths can.
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Don't misunderstand me - I agree - every gun owner is reponsible for ensuring
Dec 18, 2024, 12:18 PM
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their guns stay out of the hands of unsupervised minors. That is actual law in NC - if a minor gets possession of a gun - the gun owner is liable. I keep mine locked in a safe with a couple of hidden exceptions but I also don't normally have minors in the house. When we do have children/minors coming to the house - all of our guns are locked up.
As a responsible gun owner - I have no problem with prosecuting parents that fail to live up to their responsibilities - whether its by purchasing firearms for a mentally unstable youth or being lackadaisical in their securing of firearms.
My bigger point is the mental aspect of these crimes is not being systemically looked at or discussed. Instead, we tend to quickly chalk it up to "that person was/is crazy" and never go beyond that. My guess is that to investigate why so many of our youth are becoming numb or even prone to violence may turn up some reflections in our own lives and society that we prefer not to see. But to continue giving short shrift to the "how/why" of the minds doing the shooting will result in nothing learned and nothing changed to honestly prevent these events in the future.
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Re: Don't misunderstand me - I agree - every gun owner is reponsible for ensuring
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Dec 18, 2024, 2:19 PM
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Just look at the 8-year-olds playing first person shooter games every waking moment they have that parents allow because it keeps them out of their hair. They put ratings on these things for a reason. I'm 45 and grew up in the video game generation. I can't remember a game with blood in it until mortal kombat, and that was so cartoonish it was almost comical.
This obviously isn't the only reason, but it certainly contributes to the numbness some feel towards taking life.
Add to that the epidemic of making sure everyone "feels special", lack of discipline in general, the puss ification of the American male and the traditional family, it's a recipe for disaster.
No amount of "gun laws" will fix any of this.
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We could protect our schools better and provide better mental health services***
Dec 18, 2024, 12:50 PM
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Re: We could protect our schools better and provide better mental health services***
Dec 18, 2024, 12:51 PM
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That's true.
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Oculus Spirit [42014]
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access to mental health facilities and schools with controlled access
Dec 19, 2024, 7:24 PM
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metal detectors and protection
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Re: Are there really solutions?
Dec 19, 2024, 7:12 PM
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Let's look at what she actually says:
"We must end it, and we must be committed to have the courage to know that solutions are in hand, but we need elected leaders to have the courage to step up and do the right thing,"
we must be committed
to have the courage
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that solutions are in hand
W T F is she actually saying? How about "We have solutions in hand" or 100 other more understandable ways to say this.
This is more BS word salad.
I get the thread is about "are there really solutions" but thank God this woman is not POTUS. She is a joke.
There will never be a silver bullet solution or solutions to this problem. The democrats have bizarre and irrational takes on most everything so it is unlikely to get bipartisan support on a reasonable bill.
Red flag laws are a great idea until you remember the democrats might be deciding what the red flags are. They cannot be trusted to any level on these sorts of things.
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