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Do Fans Give College and NFL Too Much Power?
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Do Fans Give College and NFL Too Much Power?

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Dec 30, 2024, 7:23 AM
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Over the years the NFL has faced very little competition, with the only real challenge coming from the USFL in the 80's. I know we have had the XFL in the 90's, and the XFL / USFL reboots in the past few years, but I wouldn't say those had any great deal of success.

It's pretty obvious to me that the NFL and the associated teams are so engrained into the culture of the United States, that it doesn't really matter what they say, rules they implement, etc., people will still watch. Try telling someone from Philly that there's a new football team playing on Sunday not named the Eagles, and to watch them instead. We have also had significant population increases without any real expansion (sans a few teams) in the NFL, so more fans for the same amount of teams.

I think college football is the same way. So many people have had the love of a college team engrained in them for generations that it is worked into the overall culture.

It begs the question to me of could a "minor league for the NFL" ever exist that pays players the way the current NIL programs are? I say no, not without it including college teams, at least not in its current form. Because without the brands and fan bases associated with each college, who would watch? I like the game of football, but generally speaking people don't seek out athletic events without a team they are interested in routing for. This goes especially for minor league teams, like I don't watch minor league baseball, even though I watch the Braves.

All of that to say, it will be intersting to see if the NIL landscape drives fans away over time, I'm still on the fence. I know I pay less attention to college sports now, partly because of lessening player continuity, partly because I'm getting older. NIL money, and college football popularity as a whole, does not exist without the large fan bases. This process won't happen overnight though, it will be a slow decline (if it happens) over many years.

What says you Tigernet?

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Re: Do Fans Give College and NFL Too Much Power?

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Dec 30, 2024, 7:30 AM
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That was a very thoughtful Post.
I think CFB is ruined in its current state.
I think more people will watch Pro sports and be less inclined to pay the ridiculous prices for College Sports!
The Olympic sports will be gone soon !
The smaller schools will have to give up sports all together or form their on leagues … more intramural I guess.

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Dec 30, 2024, 12:28 PM
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This is the correct answer. The NFL will siphon off folks from college. Folks will still watch “their” team in college but not tune into the other games for a full Saturday of college ball.

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Absolutely. Impossible, but if all fans would take a season off

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Dec 30, 2024, 7:37 AM
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and not go to or watch games, this nonsense would end quick. Fans hold the power, they just don’t use it!

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Re: Absolutely. Impossible, but if all fans would take a season off

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Dec 30, 2024, 8:57 AM
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kbtiger® said:

and not go to or watch games, this nonsense would end quick. Fans hold the power, they just don’t use it!


I absolutely agree.

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Re: Do Fans Give College and NFL Too Much Power?

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Dec 30, 2024, 8:56 AM
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Absolutely!!!

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Your last full paragraph sums up my feelings.

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Dec 30, 2024, 9:46 AM
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Professionalizing college sports where there is unregulated free agency is killing it for me. There is not as much loyalty from the players. Too much “me, me, me”. I admit that I’ve lost a lot of interest lately. I still follow my teams, but not like I used to. Maybe I’m just getting older. I lost a lot of interest in professional sports after free agency and multiple player strikes. College sports needs some sort of regulation. Otherwise there will be 2 sets of team:, those that can but championships, and those that can’t. I saw somewhere someone suggested Nick Sabin be the football commissioner. That may be what college football needs.

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Dec 30, 2024, 9:49 AM
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Re: Your last full paragraph sums up my feelings.

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Dec 30, 2024, 12:24 PM [ in reply to Your last full paragraph sums up my feelings. ]
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I will chime in just because it is slow at work today.

I have lost interest in different aspects of college sports. But I think that is the circle of life. Over the past 20 years, I have gone from being single with a decent amount of disposable income and no "responsiblities", to being the major bread winner for a family of 4. With those changes, different demands have pulled on both "my time" and the disposable income. I just don't have the time to keep up and watch everything. So I try to balance that reality against the changes that have happened in College Sports. At least in regards to my interest level.

That said, one thing that I can definitely say is that I am 99% done with bowl games. It started with the ESPN documentary on the Fiesta Bowl about 10 years ago. And its only gotten worse with the price of tickets, and the environment regarding players opting out. Unless you are in the playoffs, the teams that are playing in December/ January are not the same teams that played during the fall. Its at best an exhibition. So when you couple that with the ridiculous price for tickets/ its just not worth it to me. And I am not interested in paying for someone else free party (which is what it has become for all the games). If I watched 1 hour of bowl game coverage combined this December, I would be extremely shocked.

In regards to NIL and players changing schools, It bugs me. I dont like it. But I understand why its happening. I dont participate now or plan to participate in the 110 Clemson Collective. I just dont think its "right" or sustainable. But other boosters participating in the NIL efforts have not kept me from watching Clemson play. So as much as I dont like the change, Its not kept me away. I think Clemson is still competitive. And as long as I have some friends showing up at our Tailgate spot or hopefully my kids going to Clemson, I can see myself being a season ticket owner and going to the games. I think the biggest detriment to that is the overall cost. With revenue sharing on the horizon there will be a surge in Ticket prices. I will likely try to pay for season tickets again, with the hope of reducing the cost by selling a portion of those tickets. If I can "Break Even" or get real close, I will stay the course. Hopefully in 10 years, my disposable income and time will return to pre kid levels and both will no longer be limiting factors.

Go Tigers.

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Dec 30, 2024, 12:49 PM
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Wow! Taking from the small numbers of Clemson fans with whom I have detailed conversations on this subject, you could fit in exactly with them.

It’s not some avalanche defection of fans from college FB that is underway. Rather, it is a steady geometric pattern decline in interest, especially with the non-CFP postseason traditional bowl games.

As predicted by many, the expansion of the CFP field from 4 to 12 teams has been a step-change factor in the deterioration of fan interest in the bowl games.

There are hard core fans (like me) that will always watch Clemson in a non-CFP traditional bowl game because I like seeing if the non-skill players are showing signs of improvement and when the bench players get meaningful snaps.

But as for going to the ‘traditional’ bowl games and bearing the expense that goes along with it? Nope, I’m done.

As for TV / streaming services and their ratings trajectories, I don’t keep up with that. Again, anecdotally speaking, those friends with whom I have detailed discussions about the college football landscape share my ‘not interested in going to traditional bowl games anymore’ sentiment.

(*). There will be neither need nor any point in college FB fans organizing or promoting a boycott of CFB because of displeasure with the NIL / portal / opt-out / expanded CFP factors. The fans will simply keep losing interest (gradually) in CFB and gravitate towards other recreational endeavors that bring them more pleasure.

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the supreme court gave the NFL too much power

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Dec 30, 2024, 9:54 AM
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the boosters are ruining collage football and the schools are letting them do it.

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Dec 30, 2024, 10:38 AM
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This I completely agree with. It's also a highly underrated post!

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Re: Do Fans Give College and NFL Too Much Power?

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Dec 30, 2024, 10:06 AM
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The NFL has crushed its competitors because it's the best at what it does. They also had a very successful model of regionalizing the broadcasting of their games so that fans could access their home team's games for free, all of them. No other sport does that, and it's why the NFL is so much more popular than any other sport. The Ravens-Steelers game, which was just a regular game with no real playoff implications, had double the viewership of our playoff game, the highest rated game so far this postseason.

College football does not have the popularity nationwide y'all think (and national popularity is important because that is what makes the product popular to networks). A very large number of regular CFB viewers are not fans of particular teams. Rather, they watch CFB because they want to know the players who will compete at the NFL. Their viewership depends on that. Others just watch whatever because they like to see hyper-athletic guys do amazing things. If the NFL made an actual farm league, and prioritized players there, things would change. I don't know that they'd make as much money in a farm league as in CFB right now (though I do think NIL amounts will drop as boosters fail to see returns on their investments). But players care more about the NFL than NIL. Many of the best players would go into that minor league out of high school. And as the best players left college, interest would wane heavily.

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Re: Do Fans Give College and NFL Too Much Power?

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Dec 30, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Agreed, it seems to me that the NFL's prior capitalization of their major markets though has turned it into more of a cultural thing than a case of football fandom.

For example, if you took the USFL that they are still trying to push, and made it free to anyone with an internet connection, I don't think a significant amount of people would watch or care. There's no history to it, the only people who may watch are people trying to see how a previous college player of theirs is doing.

I think it is similar for college, you'll never have any "new" college brands that are immensly popular. So if you alienate those fan bases, you lose the money, you don't have NIL deals, and I don't think anyone would care to watch a random minor league football team.

Doubt it will happen anytime soon, just a though experiment.

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