|
Replies: 33
| visibility 1
|
All-TigerNet [14233]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 13983
Joined: 2/8/11
|
|
|
|
 |
Legend [15223]
TigerPulse: 98%
Posts: 18251
Joined: 6/10/09
|
Not sure he'd be ideal for Morris's system.
May 27, 2014, 2:54 PM
|
|
But he was a good one, no doubt.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1400]
TigerPulse: 98%
Posts: 1393
Joined: 11/30/10
|
Depends
May 27, 2014, 3:11 PM
|
|
He wouldn't have fared as well trying to be the only power back in the system like Tajh was, but IMO that has only been a part of the offense because of the lack of personnel at RB capable of filling the role. With a few bigger backs available to us now I believe the QB being the battering ram in short yardage and goal line situations will be a thing of the past for the most part. What you will see instead is the more random use of the QB run to keep offenses off-balance. Charlie was mobile enough that he could have made that work, plus he was very accurate throwing while on the move.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [15223]
TigerPulse: 98%
Posts: 18251
Joined: 6/10/09
|
Agree, but seemed like the original poster was referring to
May 27, 2014, 3:29 PM
|
|
the recent past while Nuk and Sammy were here. I think during that time period, Tajh was a better fit because of his "big back" type running ability.
Both were great QBs for us fo sho.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [108390]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 64974
Joined: 2/25/06
|
nice to see him step up in the pocket. he would have put
May 27, 2014, 3:00 PM
|
|
up some amazing numbers with what tajh had around him.
that is in no way intended to be a slight to mr boyd. we should be happy we had them both.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Freshman [9]
TigerPulse: 15%
Posts: 30
Joined: 5/27/14
|
Totally Agree
May 27, 2014, 3:03 PM
|
|
Just even the name .... Whitehurst, is a great Clemson QB name.
Charlie wouldn't have stood for losing to Scar either.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [5152]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 5960
Joined: 11/28/12
|
Cole Stoudt Is Like Another, Charlie Whitehurst ----
May 27, 2014, 3:05 PM
|
|
Charlie was tougher and had thicker skin. Not afraid to
go between the tackles or take on a linebacker if need be.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [8015]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 7922
Joined: 5/27/08
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14090]
TigerPulse: 78%
Posts: 25448
Joined: 7/28/05
|
Then how do you explain Tajh being our powerback the past...
May 27, 2014, 6:47 PM
[ in reply to Cole Stoudt Is Like Another, Charlie Whitehurst ---- ] |
|
3 seasons if he isn't tough and is thin skinned. And your also making stuff up about Whitehurst, he rarely ran between the tackles.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [5152]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 5960
Joined: 11/28/12
|
I Was Comparing Charlie To Cole .....Not Charlie To Tajh***
May 28, 2014, 10:08 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1099]
TigerPulse: 53%
Posts: 2494
Joined: 10/15/13
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14233]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 13983
Joined: 2/8/11
|
We need Cole to throw it through a tire swing
May 28, 2014, 9:10 AM
|
|
not through a truck.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [27234]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 16049
Joined: 10/13/08
|
Charlie Whitehurst was THE coot killer***
May 27, 2014, 3:15 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6612]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 5504
Joined: 9/28/09
|
Carolina is about 100 times better than the Charlie Years
May 28, 2014, 11:43 AM
|
|
Not really a fair comparison...Tajh would have feasted on those horrible USC teams as Charlie Did
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [54]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: Yes, Charlie Whitehurst > Tajh Boyd
May 27, 2014, 3:20 PM
|
|
Some of us older fans that are not used to losing to the chickens will never argue your point OP - as CW was 4-0 and Boyd was winless against the chickens. We would take CW any day over Boyd. Not that Boyd is bad or to slight his amazing talents, but some of us detest losing to the chickens, so it does not sit well when we lose in so many stupid ways.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2459]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 1878
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Charlie was the man for sure, but imagine what Woody would
May 27, 2014, 4:37 PM
|
|
have done in this offense with Sammy and Nuk and Andre - oh my - you couldn't tackle Woody when the whole stadium knew he had the ball half the time.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14233]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 13983
Joined: 2/8/11
|
Re: Charlie was the man for sure, but imagine what Woody would
May 27, 2014, 4:56 PM
|
|
I agree. Woody was the best.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [17748]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 14217
Joined: 10/24/10
|
No brainer. Whitehurst 4 Chickens 0.***
May 27, 2014, 6:23 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14090]
TigerPulse: 78%
Posts: 25448
Joined: 7/28/05
|
Tajh has a stronger arm and is more accurate than Charlie...
May 27, 2014, 6:41 PM
|
|
Whitehurst was. Both were great for us, but Whitehurst record against the coots doesn't mean he is better. Whitehurst never played against a talented coot team, Tajh did. When Whitehurst was there it was right in the middle of Loose Boltz losing control of the program. I love his 4-0 record, and coots can't stand it. But comparing his record against the coots to Tajh's is an absurd comparison.
But this is understandable from the "blame the QB first" crowd. Tajh actually didn't have a bad game against the coots. In 2011 our defense was terrible, and most importantly our oline was terrible. Tajh had no time to throw the ball in the 2011 game. Also, don't forget the trick play in 2011 that wasn't even necessary on the Sammy to Tajh pass. As great a job as Chad Morris has done, his two worst play calling games were against the coots in 2011 and 2012, and the Sammy trick pass play in this past seasons game when we were moving the ball at ease. Chad Morris abandoned the running game very quickly in the 2011 and 2012 games against SCU. In the first qtr of the 2012 game we were running the ball good on the coots, and Morris completely abandoned it. This past season we turned the ball over too much. Yes, Tajh accounted for three, but the fumble was just a good play by SCU's defense, and the two int's were in desperation time. Not to minimize the Tajh turnovers, but the damage was done with the first 3, after the fumble we were in desperation mode. So the past 3 losses against the coots have been team losses, not a Tajh Boyd loss.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14233]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 13983
Joined: 2/8/11
|
Did Whitehurst have
May 27, 2014, 10:59 PM
|
|
Two first round WRs, 3rd TE, 1st round left tacke (acl), and Chad Morris?
Whitehurst would have been awesome in this offense.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Scout Team [181]
TigerPulse: 86%
Posts: 335
Joined: 3/15/04
|
Re: Did Whitehurst have
May 28, 2014, 10:24 AM
|
|
correct on all accounts...not to mention ellington out of the backfield
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1099]
TigerPulse: 53%
Posts: 2494
Joined: 10/15/13
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [7831]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 20489
Joined: 10/9/04
|
|
|
|
|
|
Scout Team [181]
TigerPulse: 86%
Posts: 335
Joined: 3/15/04
|
Re: WRONG!!!
May 28, 2014, 10:22 AM
[ in reply to Tajh has a stronger arm and is more accurate than Charlie... ] |
|
The NFL would certainly disagree with you. Accuracy was not a strong point for Boyd. He was accurate on the deep ball...but extremely inconsistent in the intermediate to short routes.
I would call it a draw on arm strength as both QB's had plus arms. But to say boyd is more accurate is absolutely bogus. The talent around him bailed him out numerous times.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14233]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 13983
Joined: 2/8/11
|
Tajh had so many WTH throws.
May 28, 2014, 10:33 AM
|
|
I remember it made me nervous to see him throw sometimes. He had a great deep ball but the intermediate stuff was nerve racking.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Starter [365]
TigerPulse: 83%
Posts: 672
Joined: 12/3/13
|
Re: Yes, Charlie Whitehurst > Tajh Boyd
May 28, 2014, 12:04 AM
|
|
Did you ever see this Man in person?
Arms as a Duck, body weight of a 6 th grader !
Speed he could throw a Football
All in a 180 pl frame!
It has do with arm speed!
Only seen twice in my lifetime!
Arms with no Body !
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2535]
TigerPulse: 89%
Posts: 4163
Joined: 10/10/08
|
how time changes and embellishes memory...(sigh)
May 28, 2014, 10:32 AM
|
|
Whitehurst had a great start the first two years but faded down the stretch fo the last two years. Look up the stats and tell me that I'm wrong. At the end, or near it, we all learned he had a "gimpy" shoulder. His checkdown was nothing special either. He tended to camp out on one receiver. And he wasn't particularly elusive, or much of a runner. Yes - he owned Carolina - which was great.
Boyd was better.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Scout Team [181]
TigerPulse: 86%
Posts: 335
Joined: 3/15/04
|
The "best" evaluaters of talent disagree with you....
May 28, 2014, 11:11 AM
|
|
..or the professionals...3rd round vs 6th round. just sayin numerous teams passed boyd over and took other guys. That is not the end all say all...but a good bench mark
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [8681]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 8888
Joined: 10/19/11
|
Re: The "best" evaluaters of talent disagree with you....
May 28, 2014, 11:50 AM
|
|
That's a horrible metric to use the NFL drafts on potential and measurables that the prospect can't control, like hieght. Using that logic Logan Thomas is a better qb than Tajh.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Scout Team [181]
TigerPulse: 86%
Posts: 335
Joined: 3/15/04
|
Re: The "best" evaluaters of talent disagree with you....
May 28, 2014, 12:38 PM
|
|
agreed....but 4 things 1. it wasn't just the "measurables" that killed boyd on draft day.
2. pro guys look at a lot of things...like his terrible coaching and no talent around thomas.
3. thomas has value at another position due to size and athleticism.
4. drew brees is shorter than boyd...
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1081]
TigerPulse: 47%
Posts: 2072
Joined: 1/29/11
|
Titan's Punter Brett Kern > Charlie Whitehurst > Tajh Boyd?
May 28, 2014, 11:42 AM
|
|
slow day
|
|
|
|
|
|
Starter [399]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 1132
Joined: 1/25/13
|
Re: Yes, Charlie Whitehurst > Tajh Boyd
May 28, 2014, 12:04 PM
|
|
Boyd's weakness was feeling pressure at times and decision making when under tremdemous pressure while scrambling, not being able to find open players or checkdowns as well as gave up on plays to early during breakdowns of plays. Only during big stages or those high profile regular season games. However, always shined during all his bowl games. Even the WV Orange Bowl game. Our defense forgot we had a bowl game to play that night. That would take the wind out of any offensive team sail.
Message was edited by: oldschtiger70®
|
|
|
|
|
|
Scout Team [181]
TigerPulse: 86%
Posts: 335
Joined: 3/15/04
|
agreed, and inconsistency
May 28, 2014, 12:40 PM
|
|
with accuracy hurt him.
|
|
|
|
|
|
1st Rounder [633]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 549
Joined: 11/18/07
|
Video made me miss DHam...
May 28, 2014, 12:53 PM
|
|
Would have been a 1st rounder if he would have stayed around one more year. Maybe with a change in work ethic would still be in NFL. He was just raw talent.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 33
| visibility 1
|
|
|
50
