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RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
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About the trump win. Hopefully trump was just pandering to indie voters and won’t actually give him serious power.
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What's your take
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Nov 6, 2024, 12:39 PM
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on the chronic disease crisis in the US?
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At least a small part of it
Nov 6, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Is because of the shoddy food labeling requirements in the US
Sadly, the only fix is big government because clearly we have not been effective enough at suing the large corporations into doing it on their own, or driving them out of business for their part of the liability
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Re: What's your take
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My take is that I'm not a doctor and I'm in no way qualified to comment on it. So in exactly the same way as I'm not going to push my way into the cockpit of a plane and yank the controls away from the pilot, I'm going to let the medical community make medical decisions.
I know...crazy, right?
I am very aware that's tough for those with a bad case the Kruger-Dunning effect who don't even know enough to know what they don't know. And no, the medical profession isn't perfect. But we're consumers. What we get to judge are what we receive: availability, service, cost, and outcomes. We'd be a whole lot better off judging it purely from the point of view of a consumer. If we're not getting good outcomes or feel we're getting good, responsive service, I'll judge my doctors exactly the same way I'd judge an auto mechanic or a landscaper or any other service provider.
But second-guessing the medical profession about medical matters is...kind of ridiculous. Getting into med school, and then putting in the incredible number of hours it then takes to graduate is hard. (I know, my sister's a doctor and I saw firsthand how hard she had to work at it.)
Our society has gotten too specialized to second guess-experts in their areas of expertise. And it only works if we trust people to do their jobs. Thinking our opinions are as good as any expert's strikes me as the worst sort of narcissism...and it's exactly what's resurrecting polio and measles in our country, and exactly what left us so incredibly wide open for COVID to kill 1.2 million people in the US alone.
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Heres the issue.
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Nov 8, 2024, 8:11 AM
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It would be wonderful if it were a purely medical issue. If it were, I’d be the first one backing away and putting my thoughts into more productive areas. It isn’t though. If anything economics has outweighed science as the prime driver in this area. On top of that, graft and corruption have entered the equation, to the point where it’s hard to be sure which decisions and initiatives are pure and which are tainted by lobbyists.
I have multiple physicians in my immediate family, a spouse in the rare diseases area of pharma, and a sister who is a PRN and does clinical research. My wife was with Pfizer when the Covid vaccine came out, and there are business dealings that came about during that time that are pretty disgusting.
So no, I’m not really interested in getting into the nuances of various disease states with experts, they know the pathogenesis of them far better than I ever will. I am interested and comfortable though with, in simplest possible terms, trying to follow the money on these topics. It’s not an overly complex endeavor, and certainly seems in my best interest to do so.
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Re: Heres the issue.
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Won't argue. But following the money isn't the same as arguing about the side effects and effectiveness of vaccines.
I do think we have the right - and probably the obligation, if we're wise - to question obvious conflicts of interest. Like, I definitely have a problem with Big Pharma financially incentivizing doctors to prescribe their products.
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Re: RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
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trump is all about giving people a 2nd chance
peacemaker
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Re: RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
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^^^^^peacemaker? He’s extremely vindictive
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He forgives easily and quickly
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Nov 8, 2024, 11:05 AM
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if you come around. That’s why Megyn “blood coming out of her whatever” Kelly was a big part of giving the closing argument for Trump in ‘24.
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Yes, our Father is most merciful***
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Definitely one of the more concerning developments of the incoming admin.
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Nov 6, 2024, 12:42 PM
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RFK is an anti-vaxxer. Not Covid vaccines. ALL vaccines. If he is given the power to make MMR and other standard vaccines non-mandatory for schoolchildren, it could be devastating. He is directly responsible for almost 125 child and infant deaths in American Samoa in 2019-2020 when AS halted all vaccine programs (including MMR) because of his fearmongering (and remember, this was before the Covid vaccines were developed).
Let's hope it was just pandering, but I have a bad feeling it's not.
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Re: Definitely one of the more concerning developments of the incoming admin.
Nov 6, 2024, 2:11 PM
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it came right out of RFK's own mouth, he said he was promised control of the CDC, and the NIH, which is utterly frightening.
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Re: Definitely one of the more concerning developments of the incoming admin.
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Both the NIH and CDC are rife with corruption. Same with the FDA and NAIAD.
This is not to say that everything they do is bad. It is to say that these agencies have allowed their professional judgements and ethics to be compromised by the interests of extra-agency entities that provide much of their funding via that (I think I’ve got this time-frame right) Reagan era ‘public - private partnership’ arrangements.
While the public - private partnership arrangements in which cooperation that yielded mutual benefit was the objective sounded good to many Americans (including me back in my young & ignorant years), they created a conflict between the oversight mission of the government health agency and the funding that they received from their private entity partner(s). Being America, the financial benefit aspect gradually increased in priority while the oversight aspect gradually diminished.
RFK Jr had stood as arguably the most prominent among numerous other voices that were methodically silenced by the health agencies and NGOs such as BMGF (Bill and Melinda Gates Fiundatiin).
One day, when the extent of the propaganda to which Americans had been subjected becomes revealed, previously fooled Americans will be grateful that RFK Jr had the brains and energy to research this disgraceful corruption from within our health agencies and redirect public health funds towards initiatives that will make a much greater difference.
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After reading the 10th study misquoted on his website I just
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Nov 6, 2024, 3:34 PM
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Wrote him off. I posted many articles from his website where things were written, quoting studies, then you read the study and can't find what was quoted.
He would change the article 2 to 3 weeks later with a little blurb about an honest mistake.
Guys a nut. On a good day.
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Yep...the problem is most people that like him don't go to...
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:19 PM
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that degree to learn for themselves.
The guy is a a big-time nut.
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Re: Definitely one of the more concerning developments of the incoming admin.
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Nov 6, 2024, 2:48 PM
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Multi-valent vaccines such as MMR and DPT (both of these being tri-valent vaccines) are inherently more dangerous than mono-valent vaccines (example - a vaccine that is only for measles is mono-valent) … especially to children … because they increase the likelihood of febrile seizures.
Febrile seizures in a subset of normal children (e.g., whose children whose makeup renders them more prone to becoming autistic) is known to trigger the onset of autism in a statistically convincing percentage of those children.
The pharma industry knows this, yet promotes multi-valent vaccines anyways. Why would they do this; why would America’s health regulatory agencies allow this?
FYI, the Bill Gates NGO (Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation vaccine advocacy non-profit organization) had convinced / coerced / bribed (I think it was India, but don’t hold me to that; it was a ‘non-western country) to be the roll-out target country for a new polio vaccine. The target country already had a very low incidence of polio, yet BMGF had finagled the WHO and other global ‘health’ organizations to embrace BMGF’s stupendously wasteful use of governmental funding in hopes of truly eradicating a disease which (1) cannot be “eradicated” because of all mutations in the polio virus can never be ‘caught and killed’ by any vaccine or combination of vaccine variants and (2) in which other health related problems (inadequate availability to clean water, nutritious food, etc) could be solved at less expense and with enormously greater health outcomes than the ‘new’ polio vaccine.
Turns out that the inadequately tested (as far as safety was concerned) polio vaccine caused a different strain of polio to develop within the vaccinated children; this BMGF Frankenpolio was far more lethal than the strain of polio that they had bragged about as tgeupirvtarget for eradication.
After many deaths from children who were given the vaccine, the WHO and BMGF quietly abandoned this initiative.
(*). RFK Jr has committed to ridding the USA of the crooked practices of America’s health agencies and for our lacking-in-credible-oversight of global health agencies such as tge WHO.
If he isn’t killed by special interests within some country’s spy organization, then RFK Jr offers the people of America and the world a chance to see the corruption and sophist narratives of the aforementioned health agencies and foundations, and in so doing redirect resources used to develop worthless vaccines towards nutritious food, clean water, improved sanitation, and safer agricultural practices.
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Re: Definitely one of the more concerning developments of the incoming admin.
Nov 6, 2024, 3:40 PM
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where did you get your medical degree from?
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Re: Definitely one of the more concerning developments of the incoming admin.
Nov 6, 2024, 9:23 PM
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Heck no, I’m not a doctor.
I googled articles on vaccines caused autism. Publications like PubMed / National Library of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic Journal of Medicine, Mayo Clinic Health System, etc. have articles on correlations between MMR vaccines and autism.
They all say that MMR vaccines are not a cause of ASD (autism spectral disorder) in kids that do not already have a central nervous system disorder; the central nervous system disorder is not necessarily evident (I’m probably using incorrect terminology here, but I’ll call it latent central nervous system disorder LCNSD for lack of the proper descriptor).
One article that I read cited fevers from the actual disease, be it Measles, Mumps, or Rubella as being more prominent triggers of febrile seizures (which are typically one seizure associated with an elevated body themperature). A mini-valent vaccine if, let’s say, just the measles vaccine, is not likely to cause a febrile seizure. All good, right?
Not really. The usual practice is to combine the vaccines for all three of Measles + Mumps + Rubella into one tri-valent vaccine: MMR.
This tri-valent vaccine does indeed have a track record associated with febrile seizures, albeit of lower intensity than a febrile seizure caused by the illness itself. Typically, the illness itself does not lead to multiple febrile seizures.
Febrile seizures are not associated with ASD in kids, but in kids with undiagnosed ‘latent’ LCNSD they can lead to … I’m trying to remember the sequence here … repeated seizures (non- fever related epileptic seizures) that can manifest themselves into a permanent autism-like condition.
ASD may not clinically represent the autism-like symptoms in kids who got the febrile seizures from the MMR vaccine. Again, I’m neither a doctor or any flavor of medical professional.
To the kid who comes down with this autism-like condition and the parents of the kid, they see it as a serious, permanent neurological disorder that was brought on or ‘activated’ by the MMR vax.
(*). Taking three separate, spread out vaccines would probably eliminate the problem. For reasons that I do not know (but I can speculate … that’s easy and cost-free), I suspect that MMR, being just one trip to the doc instead of three separate trips, is preferred by insurance companies.
Soooo, reading articles and thinking about them is the basis for my views on one scenario between a vax and autism.
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Re: Definitely one of the more concerning developments of the incoming admin.
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that should tell us everything we need to know
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Re: Definitely one of the more concerning developments of the incoming admin.
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like if the ACA is abolished now that Pubs own both houses and the whitehouse, and 25-30 million people lose access to healthcare, or roughly 10% of the pharmaceutical market? We would only be guessing what they are worried about, assuming that's even true.
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Now, after listening to that, go read for yourself what he's said in the past***
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Provide the links...
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:31 PM
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I don't have a dog in the fight and have not really paid much attention to RFK Jr. other than the past year - but it seems to me he is not an anti-vaxxer based on the numerous interviews I've seen of him discussing this subject over the past year. Maybe his position has changed in the past year??
His position on vaccines from his recent interview with Joe Rogan and other podcasters have all been consistent with the video I posted...
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Open the JFK/RFK files. Make America Healthy Again.
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I just hope Deep State doesn't destroy the files before DJT and RFK Jr. can share them with us.
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"Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water? On no account would a
Nov 6, 2024, 1:13 PM
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commie ever drink water and not without good reason. Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?" Col. Jack D. Ripper
Lots of changes coming.
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Atta boy! Good man.
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After whiffing on every political hot take you’ve made for months, I’m proud to see you getting back on that horse and posting with all the baseless confidence you can muster.
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would you mind expanding please?***
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Yeah, clearly the pharma companies and big ag have been doing excellent***
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There's so many "worst things" to worry about
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But he is certainly one of them.
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LOL***
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You think he isn't?
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Guess I shouldn't be shocked.
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No, I'm not worried about him
Nov 6, 2024, 2:09 PM
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What do you think he's going to do that's so worrisome? Or have you gotten the reddit talking points yet to know?
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He isn't going to care.***
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Man, what a one man wrecking ball he's going to be.
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You know laws for vaccines are made at a state level, right?
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I took that to mean covid vaccination requirements, given the context.***
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Anti-vaccine, fluoride out of water, get rid of ACA, destroy dept. of health/FDA
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lower confidence in healthcare, doctors, government, etc.
He has no background in medicine, but he'll stick it to the dems/libs and American people so you're good with him, I get it.
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Many places have already taken fluoride out of the water, you know that right?
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Do people still have confidence in government? How many times do you have to watch govt. screw up before you lose confidence in it, too? Healthcare and doctors are doing a bang up job of lowering confidence all by themselves, I don't think JFK Jr. needs to do anything.
Do you think he'll be able to just destroy the dept. of health and FDA all by himself?
Good to see the reddit talking points are making their way out to you guys though.
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LOL, being anti-doctor and healthcare is certainly a choice
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MAGA transformation is complete I see. You even have the "reddit talking points" repetition down pat. It's such projection with you guys and you guys are always blind to it.
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It's not being anti-doctor or healthcare, it's recognizing the problems
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that exist within them. I've ####### lived it big dog, I don't need a lecture on why I should trust them because if I had I'd be dead. I've got many, many other anecdotes of our healthcare/doctors royally f*cking people up if you really want to hear.
I could have just as said NPR or something else, you guys all get your talking points from the same places. In fact, who else accuses the left of using "reddit talking points"? Because I've never really seen that as a go-to insult. I say it because that's where my liberal sister gets all of her insane ideas that you and several others on here parrot. Remember that time you guys thought puberty blockers were A-OK to give to kids without any lasting problems? That's some straight off of reddit craziness.
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What's your expectation of doctors?
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A 100% accurate diagnosis/treatement rate? That'd be cool. We could eliminate malpractice insurance and the cost of healthcare would go down, so sign me up.
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To not treat/diagnose based off of a pre-written sssscript and consider
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different variables when making a diagnoses, as well as owning up to mistakes that they do make. In other words, actually look at an individual and treat based off of their needs instead of a one size fits all approach. Similarly to how engineers tackle problems. It's a skill a guy making $50k in a non air conditioned plant has, I don't think it's too much to ask.
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Re: To not treat/diagnose based off of a pre-written sssscript and consider
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Didn’t you have a remarkably good outcome despite a really complicated problem?
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I did after getting a doctor who had the common sense to
Nov 6, 2024, 3:39 PM
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order a scan to figure out what was going on, instead of giving me some antibiotics and sending me home. It only took maybe 15 doctor visits over the years and 3 trips to the ER in 1 week. My surgeons were excellent.
My mom had some excellent doctors, too. Of course, she wouldn't have needed them if doctors hadn't told her she had gas for several years that turned out to be stage 4 colon cancer. In hindsight she should have demanded a colonoscopy....but you know, trust the doctor!
If you can get past the front line doctors it's pretty amazing what can be done.
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I'm sorry you've had issues, but I have had family members saved
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including my sister who also is going to have a chance at a family which she's worried will be taken away now because of what Trump/Vance and others have said they want to do. So handwaving away her and other's very real concerns is equally ######.
Sure, pick whichever "mainstream" media outlet or source you want to put in place, the point is you guys ALWAYS do it to dismiss valid arguments as "biased" and you are incapable of seeing that you've been fed that narrative from your preferred "maga" sources.
I have no idea what the puberty blockers thing you're talking about, but I've never talked about it and the fact that you think I have kind of proves my point about how you guys think.
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Medical errors are the third leading cause of death in this country
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How are Trump/Vance going to take away her chance at a family?
The problem is, many of your arguments aren't valid. They're make believe fed to you by mainstream media. Look at the fact that your sister is worried Trump/Vance are going to take away her chance at a family, without knowing her issues I'm assuming that's IVF related.
It was a thread many months ago discussing transitioning minors that you were in, maybe you didn't explicitly discuss puberty blockers but you were defending the idea of transitioning kids.
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Yes, IVF treatment that Vance has spoken against (but not said he'd ban)
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and the fact that some MAGA states see fertilized eggs as "children" which basically banned IVF until new legislation tried to "fix" it. And the fact she lives in a deep red state makes her worry that there is real momentum towards going after IVF. A valid worry based on what Project 2025, Vance and MAGA states have done.
I'd have to see the context of the thread about the puberty blockers if you can find it (or have Obed find it).
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When has Trump ever lied?
Nov 6, 2024, 6:21 PM
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End of article: "He (Vance) also deflected a question about what would happen if the administration guaranteed access to IVF treatments but a state court banned the procedure, calling it a "ridiculous hypothetical."
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Ahhh ok, I wasnt blessed with mind reading.
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Appreciate you letting me know what’s really on his mind. All I have to go by is what he’s said publicly multiple times.
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You don't have to be a mind reader to know Trump only ever lies
Nov 6, 2024, 6:54 PM
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and that vance calling that question a "ridiculous hypothetical" is a clear answer non-answer in how it tries to deflect.
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Sorry, not true.
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He’s a populist and fairly socially liberal, and far more people (even in the Republican Party) are pro-IVF than anti. He would die to get the positive recognition that would come from cheap/free IVF and he’d be sure to mention it in every speech for years to come.
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He goes with what gives him more power which is why he lies and has no policy
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If he thinks his cult will love something he does, he does it. And as Alabama showed and project 2025, there is momentum towards pushing towards extreme restriction of contraception/IVF and Trump will simply go along with it because he is an idiot that only cares about the power such a thing will give him with his cult.
Trump called himself the "father of IVF", do you think he has any real idea of what it is?
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Re: LOL, being anti-doctor and healthcare is certainly a choice
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Dear deweather,
There is an important distinction between the extreme positions of trusting everything that the medical authorities and Democrat party run government tell you is true -vs- being anti-doctor and anti-healthcare.
Rhetorical question for you: Is someone lies to you repeatedly, but also tells the truth to you repeatedly, should you believe him or not when he tells you something new?
Lakebum1®’s point of view, if I’m getting it right, is that circumspection is warranted before making a judgement whether or not to trust whatever ‘new’ information comes from the hypothetical dubious information / advice source described above.
OK, I’m tapping out of this part of the thread. Have a good rest of your evenings.
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What gives you the idea that RFK is a rogue and doesn't have the backing of
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Trump and everybody else soon to be appointed? Elon Musk is potentially in charge of cutting $2T of the $6T federal budget by reducing and eliminating agencies, but sure...RFK is operating in a vacuum and nobody believes his crazy ideas, so nothing to worry about.
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So let's look at what this looks like in practice
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Federal funding is cut for public schools requiring vaccination, but vaccine mandates for schools are made at a state level. Well, given the fact that the vast majority of funding for schools come from the state, it stands to reason there is no incentive to actually do away with state vaccine mandates, correct?
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hear me out
abolish the department of education
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I'm good with it
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These guys will act like that would mean everybody would be illiterate, but the current results we're getting from the dept of education aren't exactly awe inspiring.
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Yeah but...SC Schools?
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Fbcooches deciding the curriculum?
I'm not sure of the worse answer here.
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The figures I've seen are closer to 8%, and yes I think there's plenty of
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fat that could be cut to make up those funds. Might not get to have 5 assistant principals per school or brand new, palace like facilities, but it's doable.
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Not to mention the unfunded federal mandates...
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it's been a minute, but some years ago I read a detailed study for SC that showed federal funding was about 10-12% of total school funding in the state. If the Fed Dept of Ed was eliminated, which includes no more federal funding and no more federal mandates, the net impact would be about 5%. That included reduction of district staff whose main function is compliance with federal mandates and seeking federal grants.
SC currently spends about 40% of total budget on public education. I would happily pay 3-5% more in state taxes and county property taxes if the fed Dept of Ed were to be eliminated.
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Just to review:
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we've gone from
"The feds aren't going to do away with vaccine mandates, that's just silly."
"OK, maybe they will, but only in the form of cutting federal funding."
"Besides, the fat, wasteful public school system and administrations needs to be trimmed down anyway, taking away federal funding ought to do the trick."
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No, I'm illustrating to you that even if they were to cut federal funding
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it wouldn't be the end of the world like you want to make it out to be. Not to mention, I think it's pretty clear he was just talking about the covid vaccine anyway.
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I thought Red Teamers were the idiots here...
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Anti Vaccine....
Anti-Vaxx? No. Anti-Covid Vaxx? Absolutely.
His biggest gripes with vaccines are around the lack of informed consent, and the immunity of the vaccine providers. Clearly the golden nugget for pharmaceutical companies is to get a product on the vaccine schedule. I agree with a) providing more research and allowing visibility of said research for parents and b) granting flexibility to timing of current vaccines after re-visiting the current schedule. The vaccines I gave my daughters is substantially more than what I received.
Fluoride out of water...
Yes. Fine. Most of the EU does not have fluoridation in water. His gripe with fluoridation (and he's right) is using tap water as a delivery mechanism. We can still put it in toothpaste.
Get rid of ACA...
Have not heard his take on this, to be honest. But I'm fine with it.
Destroy FDA/CDC/NIH/Dept of Ag/etc....
Oh noooooo....please mister crazy man, please don't absolutely nuke these agencies that have been empirically proven to have been captured by their industries they're supposed to regulate.
like is this take even sesrious? have you seen this country?
we're fatter, sicker, poorer, dumber, and flat out unhealthier than we've ever been. full stop. there's no disputing that. and your answer is to leave the status quo of these agencies protecting us? GTFOH man lol....moronic take.
TIL sticking it to the Dem/Libs means preaching the old school crunchy lib hippy lifestyle qualities.
Eradicating GMOs, de-centralizing our food supply from megacorps, providing more rigorous protocalls for releasing drugs to market and holding pharma companies accountable, reforming the American diet to promote healthy lifestyles as an avenue to mitigate chronic disease, get ####### glyphosate off our foods....all this sounds so horrible.
JFC you guys gotta get off MSM.
Oh. Here's my day 1 wet dream, since we broke off the memes.
Abolish pharma ads on tv. Bye media. Defund these cocksucking leaches and nuke them from orbit. All state of the unions, press conferences, all done through X. #### state sponsored corporate media entities and the horse they rode in on.
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Re: I thought Red Teamers were the idiots here...
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I know man, this approach cuts into your bidness
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as I understand it at least.
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Re: I know man, this approach cuts into your bidness
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Awww man, all this time all we had to do was to reform the American diet and I wouldn’t have to do weight loss surgery anymore? God, why didn’t we think of that?
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I appreciate the snarkiness
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although entirely on brand, I'm not sure it's warranted.
Look man, I like and respect you. I'm not trying to sling mud.
Obviously you're good at your job. I've seen your house and wine selection lol. Obviously you deal with exception case scenarios due to massive health conditions with your patients being a specialist in your field.
Those asterisks out of the way, let's have a healthy discussion (no pun intended)...
The insincerity in your argument - alluding to the notion that reforming diet eradicates the need for all weight loss surgeries? I didn't say that, nor am I saying that. Nor is he saying that. No one is saying that. I think you guys w/ elite online debating skills call this straw-manning?
At scale, you're telling me proper reform of the food supply chain, coupled with heightened awareness of nutrition, is a net negative? There's no room for improvement here?
You're telling me the nutritional guidelines you learned in medical school provided by the FDA and Dept of Ag weren't heavily influenced by private industry research to help propagate said products?
You're telling me there's zero room for improvement at the administrative/bureaucratic level within these agencies?
You're telling me these agencies have nailed it with respect to policies and guidelines set forth for the American population to maximize health and mitigate the widespread chronic disease in this country?
Please let me know what data points you leverage to reach these conclusions and I'll happily re-educate myself.
Otherwise, I'm bullish on this reform.
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Re: I appreciate the snarkiness
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Don’t overthink it brother. Government can make every policy and recommendation and suggestion 100% correctly, and humans will still be humans and do things against their best interest. Telling people to eat better doesn’t make them do it. Thats all I meant.
Making it easier for patients to access care would help a ton if we wanted to prioritize obesity and metabolic syndrome. That means $$$. It means money from public funding for mcare/mcaid, and means eating into shareholder profits for private insurance payors. Good luck getting either of those to happen. Just one pertinent example, the SC state health plan PEBA doesn’t cover any treatment for obesity- not medicines, not dietary counseling, not surgery, nothing. They are the biggest insurance payor in the state.
We have treatments that work- getting access to them can be a challenge, and getting people to care enough about themselves to change is an even bigger one. We don’t need to end the department of agriculture.
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I agree with you
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What if government makes policies and recommendations at a 15% correct rate though? Can we try to bump that up to a, ohhh I don't know, 60% rate?
That's one of the initiatives I've heard, actually. lol. That he and these Casey siblings are pushing for. Is adding all this #### to medicare and medicaid. Gym memberships too.
Another one is modifying the food stamps programs to ensure proper whole foods are being taken into consideration to mitigate processed foods.
I think it's naiive as all get out to absolve the dept. of agriculture and/or FDA of all responsibility here. But if this is the line we disagree on, that's fine.
If the entire country ate half as good as you and your kids, I'd wager we would see a significant reduction in obesity. Don't even try to downplay that bro.
Nudging the market to adhere to healthier practices in this regard will organically (pun intended) generate a competitive market and enhance accessibility to these options for working class people.
That's his position as I understand it. And as stated before, I'm very bullish on this movement and hope he's able to make positive headway on this agenda.
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Re: I appreciate the snarkiness
Nov 6, 2024, 9:38 PM
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The argument re Dept of Agriculture is whether and how to reform it, as opposed to abolishing it.
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That wasn't the argument in this thread though...
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"Destroy FDA/CDC/NIH/Dept of Ag/etc....
Oh noooooo....please mister crazy man, please don't absolutely nuke these agencies that have been empirically proven to have been captured by their industries they're supposed to regulate."
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Re: That wasn't the argument in this thread though...
Nov 7, 2024, 10:12 PM
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Dept of Ag was a sidebar of the larger thread, as per the posts immediately preceding mine.
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yup, I took ownership of language in another post
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I used the term "Nuke" relatively loosely. I'll eat that. Based on everything I've heard, from him, he's going for a full reform focusing a) on regulatory capture and b) identifying ways to promote healthier lifestyles and policies for American citizens - obviously at a very high level.
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Re: What in the actual ####?***
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He is Anti-vaxx and has linked them with autism, not just anti-covid vaxx.
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I'd like to hear what your plan is if the ACA is abolished (and make sure to share it with Trump or Republicans since they have no plan despite saying for ~10 years they do)
Destroying the CDC/FDA/NIH/Dept of Ag because they aren't working well is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That's like killing your dog because he barks too much (Kristi Noem has entered...)
"we're less healthy than ever!" so let's get rid of agencies that can help. Big brain idea there, lol.
I'm with you about abolishing pharma ads on TV, but the rest of the stuff is crazy pants land.
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I haven't explicity heard nor seen such link
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I have heard him question the rise in autism, recognize a correlation to the vaccine schedule, and propose a deep dive into causation. I'm fine with that approach. My kids are vaccinated.
This will make you guys laugh haha- typical bro here, mea culpa. I don't know what the ACA is. Is this Obamacare? I'm not disrupting my meme day to google useless ####.
I used the term "Nuke" relatively loosely. I'll eat that. Based on everything I've heard, from him, he's going for a full reform focusing a) on regulatory capture and b) identifying ways to promote healthier lifestyles and policies for American citizens - obviously at a very high level.
I object to the notion that this equates to killing my dog b/c he's barking. This is more synonymous with thinking my dog can track deer when I trained him to retrieve ducks and charging my buddies $1,000 / hr to track deer. Then asking my buddies why they're pissed when they can't find their deer. (I don't know who Kristi Noem is)
On the same notion as your lol of a "big brain idea"...empirically proven here, right. Objective data. We are unhealthy pieces of ####. So your proposal is to maintain the status quo? I'm sorry but I don't buy that approach and am all for massive reform in these agencies.
I'd argue their policies due to regulatory capture by the market verticals they're supposed to be regulating have propagated an unhealthy ecosystem for us and future generations. In addition, their "regulation" has enabled a historic surge in corporate consolidation in these market verticals, through M&A, which has driven us into monopolistic pricing structures.
In knuckle-dragging bro speak, we're getting ###### and paying premium prices for it due to anti-competitive markets.
A lot of us morons on the street call this "crony capitalism".
Glad we agree on the pharma ads. Let's do it baby!
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Re: I haven't explicity heard nor seen such link
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Dear dawghater23®
FWIW, I’d posted two long ones on the vax / autism correlation (it’s specific to MMR vax in kids which have a latent / dormant baseline central nervous system disorder and how the MMR vax causes something called febrile seizures, which in turn can lead to activation if permanent autism-like disorders). These posts are at roughly the 11th and 13th in the overall thread.
No, I’m not a medical professional. I just read up on topics that interest me, then move on to the next topic etc etc etc.
Best regards.
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I think you have a pretty big logical breakdown linkings...
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the FDA/CDC/Dept of Ag, etc...to the fact that the country is not as healthy as we used to be.
Also, RFK Jr's stances on vaccines go well beyond timing and transparency. He is very strong anti-vaccine. The often-discussed Samoa situation where he helped spread a lot of anti-vaccine info that many feel directly led to a drop in measles vax rates that ended up getting a bunch of people sick and killed 80 something people...mostly kids. He also links vaccines to autism, which has been pretty solidly debunked. Then, of course, is his utter BS on the covid vaccines.
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If you aren't aware of it, you should research the history of the food pyramid.
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It wasn't based on sound dietary health, it was built to appease various Big agriculture lobbies. This certainly came about at roughly the same time the US started blimping up. Throw ultraprocessed foods and hydrogenated fats into the mix and mass obesity was a foregone conclusion.
https://time.com/4130043/lobbying-politics-dietary-guidelines/
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What do the FDA and CDC have to do with the food pyramid...
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and I do know the story. But I have to say, I was eating too many carbs well before the food pyramid came out.
I think the consumer bares most of the responsibility for processed foods and so on.
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If you are familiar with it, why did you waste time
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Asking what the department of ag had to do with health and obesity?
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Because that's not all that I said...
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I listed all the depts he listed with an etc...at the end too.
And I don't think the food pyramid is why the US is overweight.
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Let me say this back to you to ensure we're aligned
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You're saying that the FDA/CDC/Dept of Ag have no responsibility when it comes to the health of people in this country?
Items like pharmaceutical approval, disease treatment protocols, food supply chain, farming practices, etc. - these items are not a driver of the health of society.
Is this what you're saying?
Fair on his vaccine stances. I have not heard them.
Commented above what I heard regarding his vaccine / autism discussion.
I think it's probably best if we leave the COVID topic out of this discussion, lol.
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No, I am not saying that....
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I just don't think you can, in this case, say X happened so it's Y's fault.
When it comes to food and lifestyle, I don't think the federal gov is the main cause. I know eating too much Blue Bell and a #### ton of pasta isn't good for me. I don't blame the FDA for not stopping me. I wouldn't want the FDA to have that power. They've warned me.
If you want the federal gov to more aggressively regulate certain additives and processes...ok, but still don't think that's the root of the problem.
Would you concede more healthy food and processes are abundantly available now? Assuming yes, why aren't we more often choosing them?
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Ok - we're getting somewhere
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One minor call out, however. If entity X is supposed to do Y. And by all available benchmarks, Y looks like complete ###, then I think it's reasonable to have this discussion, no?
Otherwise, I'm right there with you. I'm not blaming the government. I actually hate the government. But you guys already ripped me a new one a few years ago when I said I wanted to abolish allthis. Probably was you, matter of fact.
But back on topic, I think the onset of these agencies is to do Y and they're not doing it, and I want that reformed. In fact, I think the policies and practices they're implementing are negatively impacting society from a general health perspective.
If you want the federal gov to more aggressively regulate certain additives and processes...ok, but still don't think that's the root of the problem. This is a MAJOR chunk of what he wants to go after, by all accounts I've listened to wrt food and the food supply chain.
Available? Yes. Abundantly available? No. I think this lifestyle that I try and deliver to my family is cost prohibitive. I order most of my kids foods from crunchyhippymommagreenfoods.com ... kidding (kind of). I do find niche manufacturers of ancient, organic wheat grains. I do try and source grass fed beef. I buy oranic poultry, eggs, milk, etc. Non-gmo organic breads, vegetables, organic fruits, etc. I spend probably 2.5x on my food for my family than the average Joe, b/c I can afford it and it is important to me.
That should be the standard.
So the why is cost, in my opinion.
I think if some of you guys actually listened to some of these conversations, you'd be ok with it lol.
But hey, what do I know.
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I think you're making a mistake to think that I don't agree with you...
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:44 PM
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because I haven't listed to RFK. I have...a lot.
I'll try to come back later to respond to the rest.
Our bank and lawyers are taking me and our CFO out to dinner at Coral and I don't want to be less and miss any time to drive up their tab 
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Re: Ok - we're getting somewhere
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I find it fascinating the degree to which apologists for government agencies go to discount the frequency of proven fallacious or sophistic information that they foist upon the public. This is not to suggest that everything they tell us is fallacious or specious; on the contrary, I believe that the majority of their information is true.
That most of their information is true doesn’t absolve them for lying to us or fool8ng us.
It is ^^^^ this^^^^ where I see RFK Jr’s potential to provide a great service to America.
His research has proven that the federal agencies associated with human health and nutrition have suffered from the compromised condition of their oversight mission -vs- the ‘practical’ (this is a euphemism for costs to the federal government being reduced) aspects of (other euphemistic term coming) ‘public - private partnerships.’
The easy money which govt regulatory agencies acquire from their ‘partnership’ with private entities compromises their vigilance for oversight responsibilities.
In other words, the govt health agencies have been compromised (which is yet another euphemism for ‘corrupted’) by private sector money.
RFK Jr threatens to disrupt this mutually enriching relationship between powerful private sector entities and powerful govt health / food nutrition industries.
The typical highly articulate apologist for the agencies and their private sector ‘partners’ are either those who make their living via being part of the agency -or- private entity; a major service provider or client of the agency or one of its private sector partners. As their arguments take in a deflective character, they start exposing themselves and the disingenuous nature of their arguments.
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Re: RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
Nov 6, 2024, 2:04 PM
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I, for one, look forward to polio making a comeback. Been gone for too long. MAGA…Make America Gimp Again.
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Re: RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
Nov 6, 2024, 3:35 PM
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BMGF coordinated with WHO and others with an initiative to “eradicate” polio from earth.
First of all, this is impossible to do as a permanent objective. Viruses mutate and can exist in non-dangerous forms in human beings for a long time; while in their non-dangerous form they continue to mutate, eventually reaching a dangerous mutation. Vaccines developers cannot predict which virus variant will become dangerous. They have to wait for the dangerous variant to evolve.
That is, unless the dangerous viral variant is developed in a lab. In that case, a vaccine can theoretically be developed to combat the bioengineered dangerous virus.
Unfortunately, vaccines are not-rarely responsible for being ‘disease primers’ that, ironically enough, make the vaccinated individual either (1) more susceptible to infection & / or (2) more susceptible to suffering worse health outcomes than those who never took the vaccine.
Even worse, with regard to recent ‘polio eradication’ vaccine initiatives as led by BMGF and WHO, their vaccine actually created a ‘super polio’ infection in vaccinated individuals; the BMGF Super Polio was more crippling and more lethal than the variant of polio that they were attempting to eradicate.
FYI.
Ok, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Yes, polio is back on the menu boys!
Nov 6, 2024, 2:27 PM
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It is actually a very scary thing, hopefully they give him no actual power and it was all campaign bluster.
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Re: Yes, polio is back on the menu boys!
Nov 6, 2024, 2:51 PM
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Like I said, RFK in a recent interview already come out and said that he was promised these positions.
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Re: Yes, polio is back on the menu boys!
Nov 6, 2024, 3:48 PM
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You are not keeping up with the polio eradication accounts.
The ‘new polio’ scare is a propaganda program that BMGF and WHO, among others, hopes to lead a still-have-not-learned gullible American public into begging the health agencies to ‘save them’ … and that no expense is too much to pay.
FYI, one of the first (if not the very first) of the ‘new polio’ vaccines actually created a newer and far more virulent polio in those poor kids who took this vaccine. Thus ‘Franken-polio’ had the lovely benefit of more severely crippling its victims than had they simply gotten the natural ‘new polio.’ Oh yes, I almost forgot. To those who were not lucky enough to just be rippled, the Franken-polio sufferers had a higher mortality rate than those who got naturally occurring ‘new polio.’
Vaccine safety testing has been sold out for expediency. That is what happens with our health agencies, which had long ago compromised their oversight responsibilities in exchange for a combination of oversight-plus-pharma-product-co-developer role. The agencies must go back to their ‘oversight only’ mission.
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Its truly amazing that you are an expert on every
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subject discussed on Tnet!
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Re: Its truly amazing that you are an expert on every
Nov 6, 2024, 10:16 PM
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Thanks for being snarky.
I’m no expert. I do read a fair bit on topics that interest me. Then, Imthink about what I’vebread and seek out additional reading materials that may contradict or reinforce the first things that I had read.
A lot of topics interest me.
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Re: Willing to write a lengthy reply that tends to illustrate a...
Nov 7, 2024, 10:16 PM
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Re-read the post of mine to which you had responded and then re-read your response to it.
I explicitly said that I wasn’t an expert.
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Re: RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
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Nov 6, 2024, 3:06 PM
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I know we would all hate for the truth to come out....
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About Trumps 3rd term?
Nov 6, 2024, 3:08 PM
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And yes, I'm going to ask you this ever time you post until your explanation.
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Re: About Trumps 3rd term?
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Nov 6, 2024, 3:09 PM
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what's there to answer?
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NJDev has stated that Trump never left office because the last election
Nov 6, 2024, 3:14 PM
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was rigged, that Biden is actually a body double, and that Trump has been in charge of the just military all along.
That would necessarily mean that Trump is on his 3rd term, despite that violating the 22nd amendment.
I just want to know "how do that work"?
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Re: NJDev has stated that Trump never left office because the last election
Nov 6, 2024, 4:36 PM
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lol, there could have been multiple Bidens but no way Trump was in charge
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Tell him that***
Nov 6, 2024, 4:54 PM
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Orange Beast [6583]
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Re: RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
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Nov 6, 2024, 3:08 PM
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Bad take - America is sick - obesity and disease are rampant. And it's largely due to the food and pharmaceutical industries working hand-in-hand through the government. Europe is much healthier b/c they don't allow poison into their foods like we do.
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How are pharmaceutical industries making people fat?***
Nov 6, 2024, 3:15 PM
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Re: How are pharmaceutical industries making people fat?***
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:06 PM
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Let’s look at Ozempic.
Ozempic doesn’t make people fat. Instead, it is a spin-off, so to speak, on a diabetes medicine that helped diabetics to control their A1C levels. Ozempic, like diabetes medicines, must be taken for the entire life of the fat person if they hope to retain Ozempic’s therapeutic objective I.e,m keep the excess weight off.
It is already known that Ozempic side effect is related to a decline in the ‘muscle function’ in either/or the small intestine or stomach (I believe I’m remembering that correctly). It is not known to me if that ‘decline in muscle function’ is permanent (I.e., will persist even if the patient stops taking Ozempic) or reversible (if Ozempic use is stopped).
Unknown are the truly long term potential adverse events from taking Ozempic ‘for life.’
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The point here is that it is very likely that a combination of bad lifestyle, bad foods, food additives which (over time) contribute towards obesity, GMO grains and seed oils, and others correlate to America’s obesity epidemic, whereas in Europe these American-esque obesity problems are rare.
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America’s health agencies focus on the Ozempic type cures and ignore the ‘fix the food’ types of cures.
RFK Jr looks like a promising individual to redirect America’s approach to human health.
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Soyou want him to outlaw Ozempic?
Nov 6, 2024, 4:08 PM
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I'm unsure of your point here.
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Re: Soyou want him to outlaw Ozempic?
Nov 6, 2024, 10:30 PM
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No. I’m fearful that denying access to Ozempic for people that are already on it would be very disruptive to the person’s endocrine system. They are the ‘case study’ real life people who represent an informal / unofficial ‘clinical trial’ unpaid volunteers.
I am very concerned that the clinical trials are not long enough to capture the long term effects of a therapeutic that is to be taken for the entirety of a person’s lifetime.
If Ozempic was prescribed only to truly morbidly obese people, then I’d say OK for that group. However, Imknow several people who have gone on Ozempic because of either vanity reasons or because they find it impractical to track down foods which are closer to the low-additive types of foods that the Europeans eat. This latter group usually has poor cholesterol numbers or apolipoprotein numbers, but don’t like Lipitor type drugs and are not diabetic.
Much longer-in-duration clinical trials are needed to justify use of Ozempic and Eli Lilly’s jazzy new alternative ‘fat fighting’ pharmaceutical wonder drug.
I believe that RFK Jr shares my views in matters like this.
Did this help to explain my point?
(Thanks for your interest.)
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Re: How are pharmaceutical industries making people fat?***
Nov 6, 2024, 4:38 PM
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instead of addressing root causes, there's a pill to pop. So it discourages people from exercising and eating a healthy diet, which are a couple of reasons they are obese.
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uh huh
Nov 6, 2024, 4:55 PM
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So they are behind obesity because people have the option of a "pill to pop".
Right.
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Orange Beast [6583]
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Re: uh huh
Nov 6, 2024, 5:14 PM
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High cholesterol, pop a pill - no need to diet or exercise. This isn't rocket science.
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Does that really follow logic in your head?
Nov 6, 2024, 6:32 PM
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That somehow the drug companies are killing people by aiding them to lower their cholesterol?
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Re: Does that really follow logic in your head?
Nov 6, 2024, 8:33 PM
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so you're saying that an obese person is healthy as long as he/she has low cholesterol? is that logical to you? you seem kind of pissy and argumentative - are you always this way or is it just today for some reason?
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Sure, whatever. Calling me names doesn't change the fact that you've
Nov 6, 2024, 9:18 PM
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stated pharmaceutical companies are making people obese, but can't seem to prove that or even make a coherent correlation between obesity and pharmaceuticals companies, except by saying they can treat the ailments that often accompany obesity. That's not causality.
Big pharmaceutical companies have historically done some pretty bad stuff in the name of profit, but making people obese isn't one of them.
I'm not sorry that me pointing that out to you irritates you enough to call me names.
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Re: RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
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This thread has been an interesting read. I think the anti-establishment sentiment that has followed along with the rise in economic populism has reached a real fever pitch. It’s all just feelings at this point, completely devoid of thoughtfulness or nuance. Trump used it and stoked it to get reelected, to his credit, but now he has to actually govern again. I think you guys are all going to be massively disappointed when Trump governs like every president before him did and every one will after (and like he did in his first term BTW). Talking about how corrupt the NIH and FDA, doctors are killing everyone, vaccine makers are trying to hurt people to sell shots, etc etc are, how you’re going to cut 2/3 of the federal budget, eliminate departments, all sounds cool when you’re smoking a blunt and talking on a podcast, but it’s not reality.
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All it will take is 6 months.
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Nov 6, 2024, 3:16 PM
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He's gonna have it all fixed.
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You have to be painfully naive to look at the FDA to big pharma pipeline
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and not think there's any sort of corruption there. Remember that time we used to prescribe opioids like candy and then we had a huge addiction problem? Or when Phizer paid out a several billion dollar fraud settlement?
The federal budget needs to be cut, massively. It probably won't happen, but it's going to fugg us majorly one day if it's not.
That's not to say I think Trump is going to do anything about any of this, but it IS reality.
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Re: Chaz's own peers are wary of the FDA.
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:11 PM
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I’m not falling on any sword, I’m saying that you don’t burn your house down when the garage door opener needs a new battery.
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counterpoint
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:31 PM
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insurance lets me build a new sicker house.
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I think RFK is a loon, but there is definitely some low hanging fruit out there.
Nov 6, 2024, 3:40 PM
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Prohibit DTC pharma ads. Eliminating generic drug maker immunity.
No president is going to change the eating habits and lifestyle problems driving a lot of chronic conditions. Plus, breaking up the "Big Ag/Big Food" groups will lead to higher prices.
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stopppppppppppppppppppppp
Nov 6, 2024, 4:33 PM
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Prohibit DTC pharma ads. Eliminating generic drug maker immunity.
my balls can only get so tingly
kill this, media is on life support.
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That is arrogant and ignorant
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:10 PM
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When you are able to contribute with detailed examples that are sparing with respect to your opinions and political tropes and expansive with real world examples that support your beliefs, then I’ll be pleased to read your words and consider your point of view.
That may be beyond your capabilities.
I hope I’m wrong.
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Shhhhhhhhhh nobody was talking to you***
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Re: Shhhhhhhhhh nobody was talking to you***
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Didn’t think you could ( or would) do it.
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Re: I feel attacked bro***
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Nov 6, 2024, 5:05 PM
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…. you smoke blunts and record a podcast don’t you?
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Record a podcast?
Nov 6, 2024, 5:31 PM
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Like listen to em?
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This post plus your others and the responses are a microcosm of where we are now
Nov 8, 2024, 1:36 AM
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Someone more in the know and vastly more intelligent weighs in, and the mouth breathers with 0.0 knowledge on it attack because they heard something on Rogan or somewhere else stupid.
America is lost. The clowns have the wheel.
You are a country ####### idiot if you think RFK JR should have a say in health matters in our nation.
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Re: RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
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this thing blowed up lol
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Dentists love RFK Jr
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Nov 6, 2024, 5:19 PM
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Gonna be busy after fluoride is removed from drinking water.
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Oh god youve done it now.
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I think I realized I should just steer clear of conversations about the societal ills of obesity and diabetes and ways that public policy & the healthcare system can address them, maybe just all medical topics in general.
It would be like you trying to sit through a thread full of tnet experts discussing management algorithms for Gleason 3 biopsies.
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lol. What a circle jerk.
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Nov 6, 2024, 9:00 PM
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As if a medical degree and days spent performing Bariatric surgery are mandatory qualifiers to being able to understand, much less speak intelligently on governmental health policies. What hilarious fart sniffing condescension.
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whatever you say chief
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Don't sully yourself with a business degree commoner like me, guv'nor.
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Re: Don't sully yourself with a business degree commoner like me, guv'nor.
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Cool dude, you’re really covering yourself in glory here
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Take a joke dude.
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Nov 6, 2024, 9:36 PM
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I forget that the ability to give someone a little measure of sh## ends with Gen X.
I’m sorry man, but if you don’t see what a doosher you sounded like in that initial post, it’s worse than I thought. I pointed it out because it didn’t seem like you. But yes, forget I said anything and resume having sidebar medical conversations about how you don’t know why you waste your time having discussions with cavemen who don’t have the advanced anatomical and biological training required to discuss problems that are largely civic and economic in nature with a completely straight face and no awareness of how you sound.
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Re: Don't sully yourself with a business degree commoner like me, guv'nor.
Nov 7, 2024, 10:36 PM
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You’re not alone among doctors who are undoubtedly proficient in your corner of medicine, but are neither curious about medical matters beyond your area of focus or willing to put in the extra work to familiarize yourself with those areas in which you lack expertise.
I’ve discussed the COVID vax with my first allergist (the one who gave the vaccine) and later dared to challenge the official AMA narrative that the vaccines were safe, prevented infection, and prevented spreading the virus. I pointed out to her that the NYT had published info that flu deaths in NY had disappeared in Nov + Dec 2020, whereas the deaths from COVID-19 were large. I suggested to her that COVID-19 was arguably the world’s greatest cure for the Flu. She cited CDC data to refute my assertions. When I looked up that CDC published info, it had cleverly done a comparison of COVID deaths and Flu deaths for 2020 vs 2019 … but the data range in which the Y vs Y comparison had taken place was Jan - Ict.
The main flu death months of Nov and Dec were left out, even though CDC had published this report in ~ March 2021. Thus, they hid the embarrassing statistic that the medical practitioners in NY were classifying Flu deaths as being COVID deaths.
When I offered to resume the govt health agencies COVID-19 misinformation with her during subsequent month visits, she was only willing to make a quick conversation once. In effect, she didn’t want to hear it.
Smart, but incurious and too lazy to do anything other than to follow what the AMA journals told her to,think.
Doctors are smart, but many are so egotistical that they cannot fathom that some of their patients may know more than them in topics outside their area of expertise. What matters is who puts the work in.
You aren’t putting in the work.
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Re: Don't sully yourself with a business degree commoner like me, guv'nor.
Nov 8, 2024, 10:20 AM
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I’m sure your doctor loves seeing your name on her schedule. Make sure you let her know next time how many google searches you did to prepare for the visit.
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Bruh
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You claim to know everything about everything. And always conjecture with no evidence. C’mon.
Just a few days ago you fabricated claims why minorities voted for Trump then ran away rom the thread when challenged.
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TigerNet Immortal [165337]
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Well thats revisionist
Nov 8, 2024, 7:17 AM
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You abandoned the thread, not me. Unless I missed some replies, you were the one who ran when you realized you missed the entire point.
Similarly, in your attempt to belatedly and randomly white knight Chaz in a thread that’s had nothing to do with you, you miss the point once again. I know a little about a lot, but hardly everything (excellent hyperbole though), which is why I only pop up in threads where I do have something to contribute. That would only be relevant though to this incident and paint me as a hypocrite if I made a reply claiming that my knowledge and expertise was such that others were totally unworthy to even comment on various topics with me.
Go find another thread to gatekeep. You’re off the mark here.
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Ultimate Tiger [35909]
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Re: Well thats revisionist
Nov 8, 2024, 9:19 AM
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Direct quote from my post
“obesity and diabetes“
Don’t let that get in the way of your crusade to “call me out” though, reading stuff in my words that isn’t there, you’re doing a great job. Let me know what product or service you sell and let’s have a robust 150 post debate with superficial thoughts and platitudes about it. Alternatively, feel free to get off my nuts at any point in time.
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TigerNet Immortal [165337]
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"and ways that public policy & the healthcare system can address them"
Nov 8, 2024, 9:51 AM
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You know that was part of your direct quote too.
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Ultimate Tiger [35909]
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Re: "and ways that public policy & the healthcare system can address them"
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Nov 8, 2024, 10:01 AM
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Let me know when to invite RTD and NJDev to a discussion about your line of work
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TigerNet Immortal [165337]
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ok man, forget I said anything.
Nov 8, 2024, 10:09 AM
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let's just go blast some pheasants or something. I'm exhausted.
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I know we've struck a nerve
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Pardon me for not understanding why. Was not the intent. I think this is an instance of more than one thing can be true, but I'm done with it. Everybody's a little tense lol.
Love to kick tires on this over some bush lattes.
Need dudes like you in this movement. I find it hard to believe the objective is that far apart.
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Are all of these places that have removed it seeing an uptick in cavities?
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Are Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Scotland, Iceland, and Italy also seeing problems?
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Ultimate Tiger [33500]
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Have you seen the teeth in Europe???....
Nov 7, 2024, 10:37 AM
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it's bad
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They definitely don't believe in braces over there
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Nov 7, 2024, 10:53 AM
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Looks like the Japanese stopped adding it back in the 70's too....I've spent more time than I want to admit looking into this due to this thread, and now I'm even more convinced it's unnecessary since most people actually brush their teeth now. Seems kind of like adding fuel stabilizer to your gas tank every fill up even though you go through 3 tanks a week.
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Re: They definitely don't believe in braces over there
Nov 7, 2024, 10:39 PM
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The food and health industries establishment shills are not willing to make the adjustment by thinking about it and researching it on their own.
That’s what makes them good shills.
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Re: RFK jr having a big role arguably the worst thing
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Nov 6, 2024, 10:15 PM
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Shot the #### up. You lost. Trump is your president
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Heisman Winner [85981]
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For your team winning yesterday, some of y'all seem pretty angry about it.
Nov 6, 2024, 10:54 PM
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I'm thinking y'all might riot again on J6 just for the heck of it.
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Rival Killer [2673]
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RFK is a kook...
Nov 8, 2024, 8:01 AM
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I'm going to guess - and I could be wrong - that Trump was just pandering to RFK voters (maybe 3-5% of the electorate) to improve his election chances, and promising him something that he has no intention of following through. It would not be the first time that Trump has done that.
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wow this thread took off***
Nov 8, 2024, 10:08 AM
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