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Define what a blue blood program is
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:38 AM
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I went on ChatGPT and asked it what a blood blood college football program is and mentioned that we rank #18 in all time AP top 25 rankings. This is what it answered as it scouring of all thing relating to blue blood college football on the web.
The term "blue blood" in college football generally refers to programs with a long-standing tradition of excellence, national prominence, and sustained success over decades. While rankings like the AP Top 25 can give insight into consistent performance, being a "blue blood" typically involves more than just historical rankings. Here are key factors that define a blue blood program:
Historical Success: Multiple national championships and consistent top-tier performance over many decades. Programs like Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Oklahoma, and Ohio State exemplify this.
Tradition and Legacy: Rich traditions, iconic rivalries, and legendary coaches/players contribute to a program's prestige.
Fan Base and Media Presence: Large, passionate fan bases and frequent national media coverage boost a program’s prominence.
Recruiting Power: The ability to consistently attract elite talent year after year.
Financial Strength: Strong financial backing, revenue generation, and investments in facilities.
Cultural Impact: Programs that have influenced the culture of college football, setting trends and standards in the sport.
Ranking #18 all-time in AP poll history suggests a program has had considerable success, but it may not automatically qualify as a blue blood. The "blue blood" label is often reserved for programs that dominate across all these factors, not just AP rankings. However, being in the all-time top 25 could signify being a "second-tier blue blood" or a historically strong program on the cusp of that elite status.
So is ChatGPT's internet composite opinion a valid one? I see where we fit most if not all of what is on the list. So are we on the cusp of blue blood or full into it?
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Is UGA a "blue blood"
Jan 16, 2025, 10:43 AM
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curious to know if others think of them as a blue blood. They probably come closer than we do.
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Re: Is UGA a "blue blood"
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:51 AM
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I think of UGA as often a bridesmaid, but seldom the bride.
They have four national championships so they are no slouch. Like us they had Heisman as a coach and bosted his most successful tenior. I still kinda lean to them being on the cusp.
Oklahoma is the team the really surpised me since I was not aware of their program history....they don't currently get alot of good press. They have not won the national Championship in 24 years, but they have been consistently right up there and have won it 7 times one place behind Ohio State who has 8. They are #3 in all time AP top 25 rankings.
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Re: Is UGA a "blue blood"
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:13 AM
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Just to correct one of your points, Heisman coached at Georgia Tech, not Georgia, right after leaving us.
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Game Changer [1667]
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Re: Is UGA a "blue blood"
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:34 AM
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Correct...my brain slipped on that one.
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Re: Is UGA a "blue blood"
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:38 AM
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Almost every team had Heisman as a coach.
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Re: Define what a blue blood program is
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:43 AM
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Chatgpt.com rules. Ask it if Dabo Swinney is a good coach. It hit the nail on the head. 18th...not too shabby.
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When you cut them open, they bleed blue blood
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:46 AM
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Just like a turtle or a rattlesnake.
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:59 AM
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Eat the dang birds then use the crabs for medicine.***
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:16 AM
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I would say that seems to fit, #18 and trending upward
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:49 AM
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Recency bias is a real thing, and a 10 year run does not make a blue blood....but it is certainly going in the right direction. Clemson had success under Danny Ford through the 80's with 1 national championship. Now CDS has come around brought Clemson to the top 2 times, very impressive.
I'd say ChatGPT is pretty much on it.
If CDS stays around 10+ more years, then Clemson could easily be into the Blue Blood status. Very easily IMO
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Re: I would say that seems to fit, #18 and trending upward
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:55 AM
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I think I have the same opinion. The fact that we basically collapsed after Ford and have had significant struggles under Dabo in the last 3 years would tell me that while we are good and trending in the right direction we have not really achieved blue blood status yet.
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Re: Define what a blue blood program is
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:12 AM
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I don't disagree with ChatGPT. But the term "blue bloods" is reserved for people like Reece Davis and Mike Tirico. Been around a long time, only now we refer to it as "branding". And the programs mentioned, do have the brand.
But to me, it's a media term, created by the media, who had a hand in creating the brands. Don't forget that the champion was decided by the polls until 1998. And some could argue that it still is.
Yale and Princeton have the most (? or a lot of) championships. And by definition, could be referred to as "blue blood" programs. Only these days they don't have the media presence or fan base. In other words, their brand no longer moves the needle (in the football world that is).
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Re: Define what a blue blood program is
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:53 AM
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Perhaps with early national chamionships Havard would rank above all others. However since the beginning of the AP (getting close to 100 years now) Harvard has never been ranked even once, niether has Princeton and Yale has only been ranked once. If we look at the snippet of consistent performance over time none of those schools come even close to having an elite college football program. They trounced when football was largely regional walk-ons and the players were geniunely students that happened to play football and not the other way around.
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Re: Define what a blue blood program is
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:22 AM
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Just a classic team that has a rich history in the somewhat modern era. Nebraska still barely makes the cut imo. They are about to drop off the list though. They are turning into Harvard.
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I think the biggest factor is the number of fans.
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:23 AM
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Media pushes news and opinion toward programs with the bigger base of fans. It always has and always will. That has made those programs more popular and respected.
Imo, this 'blue blood,' is just rhetoric which has given Clemson a lot more fans due to most people understanding media bias. At this moment in our history I don't envy any other program when it comes to outlook on the future. Clemson has whipped a lot of blue blood asz and we ain't done yet.
Who gives a rat's cooter whether or not we're considered blue bloods!
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Re: I use this ...
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:45 AM
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Clemson is one already without question.
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Re: I use this ...
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:14 PM
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By that definition it will take a long time as neither of those two will have extended periods in the wilderness.
To me, true blue blood status will come when successors to Dabo can maintain the level of success. Until then I think we are nouveau riche, and I have no problem with that.
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Re: Define what a blue blood program is
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:28 AM
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The question would be how "many decades" is looked at. We have a great history but nothing like the long term history of Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Penn State just to name a few. In terms of the wealthy set, we would be included in the "new money" group but at least we are a major player in the last 50 years.
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Re: Define what a blue blood program is
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:37 AM
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It is a very valid argument. We have had recent success bookended by success 40+ years before. We don’t have the fan base any of those teams mentioned. We’re on the verge of cracking that global brand. In my eyes none are better but when lookin at true blue blood status, we have a couple decades of consistent success to enter that realm.
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Blue Blood means the last time you won multiple championships was decades ago
Jan 16, 2025, 11:59 AM
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in fact ... a quick test . ask your friend who is under the age of 30 if they have ever been old enough to see a specific team win multiple championships . if the answer is no, you likely have a blue blood
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Re: Define what a blue blood program is
Jan 16, 2025, 12:13 PM
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Regarding Clemson, right after Dabo won his 2nd natty, I heard this discussed on air on ESPNU radio btwn Rick Neuheisel and Chris Childers. I remember Chris saying, "I don't know if Clemson is a blue blood or not, but their blood is getting bluer every day."
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Re: Define what a blue blood program is
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Jan 16, 2025, 2:06 PM
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That follows my thinking that there are just a handful of blue blood programs. I agree that the teams on the cusp are close to being in that rarified air, but not quite there. LSU, Tennessee, Clemson, Georgia all sort of roller coaster their way along. Greatest team out there followed by a decade of barely hanging on to a top 25 finish or worse. USC is in huge danger of falling out of the elite of the elite ranks for this reason.
Others have said this, the tradition and culture of being able to keep winning after a coach retires or moves on is a hallmark of the longevity it takes to be a top 5 program. FSU completely collapsed after Bowden. Tennessee nose dived after Fulmer. In the blue blood schools like Ohio State (as much as I hate them) they are looking at firing a great coach because finishing in the top ten every year is just not good enough...losing to Michigan several years in a row is a death sentence.
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Re: Define what a blue blood program is
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Jan 16, 2025, 3:48 PM
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We will never be a blue blood. It’s those half dozen or dozen schools that were always around seemingly from the 50s-80s. They were the teams playing the national games of the week before cable. They seemingly had a Heisman finalist each year. The AP voters always have them the benefit of the doubt, etc etc. Thise blue bloods can still be great (tOSU) or not so great (Nebraska, USC; Oklahoma)
Kind of like old money and new money. Can one become old money today?
When I think deep blue blood, I think:
Alabama
Ohio State
Notre Dame
USC
Nebraska
Penn State, Michigan, Texas - light blue blood. Success but few national championships.
UGA not a blue blood
Miami not a blue.
Clemson became elite too late. I’m a GenX and Keith Jackson influenced me too much.
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