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Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
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Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
Alright, I have seen enough to put this together. I went back through every play because I wanted to understand as clearly as possible what actually happened in this game. I know the pumpers will come after it, because heaven forbid anyone say something that is not glowing or blindly supportive. I am not claiming to break this down like a professional coach, but I can promise I have watched more closely than the pumper crowd that tries to spin everything away.
Offense
Cade Klubnik had a few good moments. He extended plays and hit Randall in the flat, Brown across the middle, and Bentancur for a twenty-yard gain. Randall in particular played smart football, looking to block first then releasing into the flat. But protection was awful. Sadler at 50 and Olsen Patt-Henry at 11 simply could not hold their blocks, and on third downs it killed drives.
The biggest issue was decision-making. Down near the LSU goal line late in the game Cade missed two wide open receivers on third and fourth down. Either play could have tied the game. Instead he forced throws into tight coverage. That cannot happen against a defense like LSU’s.
Defense
There were flashes. 90 made several disruptive plays as a backup. But too many missed tackles, especially from Woodaz against Durham (29). If the back comes straight at him he can make the stop, but in space or chasing he just does not have the athleticism. And Clemson did not adjust. LSU ran the same trips look they used in the first half for a red zone touchdown in the second half. I noticed it, you probably noticed it, but the defense did not. That is on coaching and awareness.
Third Downs
Clemson finished three for eleven on third downs. That is terrible. LSU sat on routes, read our plays before the snap, and our receivers could not get separation. On defense we kept letting LSU convert, either on quick slants against our blitzes or by exploiting soft coverage.
The Portal
This game put the portal difference in bright lights. LSU’s portal players were everywhere. Mansoor Delane at number 4 blanketed our receivers. Number 2 was active on his side and nearly had an interception. Number 13 Toviano read Brown’s route before the snap and blew it up. Barion Brown at number 6 made the one-handed touchdown catch that should have counted. Zavion Thomas at number 0 hurt us on gadget plays.
Clemson refuses to use the portal, and it shows. We are getting beat by players other schools picked up from the portal while we sit still. This game was proof of that gap.
Final Thought
People in the comments will pump sunshine, dismiss this, or say everything is fine. But it is not fine. The issues are real. Bad protection, missed reads, poor tackling, predictable playcalling, and the refusal to use the portal.
That is my honest breakdown of the second half. You may not agree, but I put in the time to watch the film carefully instead of just being silly in the comments.
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Re: Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
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Sep 3, 2025, 9:40 PM
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Can the LSU game just ####### go away now? Sick of hearing about it.
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Re: Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
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No. Because it’s not just about one game. It’s a culmination of what’s been happening to this team the last 4 years.
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Pumper won't hear that so I did this. I challenge any of them to discuss...
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..this game intelligently with me, because they can't and honestly don't want to.
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Ill discuss it with you.***
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Sep 3, 2025, 9:57 PM
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All the joking aside, I did watch every play over looking at different players.
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Sep 3, 2025, 10:06 PM
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Let's start with Wade Woodaz. I think he is functional but not elite. I said before the game I thought he would have issues tacking 29 in space and he did.
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Ok.
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Sep 3, 2025, 10:08 PM
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What was the source of his issues? Do you have a play in mind we can break down?
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Re: Ok.
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He made a couple good tackles and some behind the line. I don't think it was 29 though for a loss. Anyway, if he has a straight shot - he can definitely tackle. But if its catching a shifty RB or QB he struggles.
It was happening on several plays against LSU and as I recall, some against Sellers v USuC last year.
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Lets focus on this year
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Sep 3, 2025, 10:19 PM
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Play # 1 from scrimmage. What did you see?
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Wade missed a tackle on 29 and he bolts for a 1st down or close...
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Sep 3, 2025, 10:42 PM
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..I don't remember.
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This is where your critics take issue.***
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Thats honesty a good point.
Sep 4, 2025, 6:53 AM
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I don’t think Wade’s missed tackle was an X and O issue. He was in position, but he just doesn’t have the talent to finish the play. That’s what concerns me.
I said before the game that tackling #29 could be a problem for him, and watching every snap again only confirmed it. I can even find that post if you want me to. Wade was there, he just couldn’t make the stop.
I can put on my pumper hat if you want me to. At this point the defense is actually better despite the personnel issues at safety and LB. Like people keep saying, if LSU is really going to be this offensive powerhouse, then the defense held up fairly well especially considering Clemson went 3-for-11 on third downs and only had the ball for 22 minutes. And it was their first game too, so we still don’t know how it will look once things settle.
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We are getting off track
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Sep 4, 2025, 6:56 AM
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What were the responsibilities of numbers 17 and 8? I think it’s important here to do an actual breakdown of the film. Then we can determine what the actual issues were on play #1.
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LOL. You had me going.***
Sep 4, 2025, 5:44 PM
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What?
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We are talking Xs & Os I thought?
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What is silly about any of my responses in this thread?
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I’m beginning to think you don’t really want to discuss Xs & Os, you just want to play the message board victim card.
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Re: What is silly about any of my responses in this thread?
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Re: Pumper won't hear that so I did this. I challenge any of them to discuss...
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Not that the first half was great ( at all ). . . but we obviously lost the halftime part of the match. And that part of a game is important. We were not even close to teh level we had the first half. So, LSU made the right changes, we did not.
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Re: Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
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Sticking our heads in the sand doesn't make the problems go away. Our losses expose pretty much the same issues over and over.
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Cade?***
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Re: Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
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I wonder if we see more portal usage this offseason. If Dabo and co have any sort of brain they’ll look at the roster and realize they need to hit it harder this offseason.
As many commits we lost in that ‘25 class you’d of thought we would have grabbed a portal guy for every player that decommitted. But that wouldn’t have been “Dabo’s way”. Hopefully he will realize he can take transfers and still build those guys into great young men as well, since that’s the only thing he really cares about.
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I would say #4 was the difference in the game. He made the "few plays"..
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..that Dabo likes to talk about.
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Bullcrap.
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Sep 3, 2025, 11:21 PM
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Cade Klubnick lost the game and he’s taken ownership of that.
LSU is a good team with talent, but they didn’t take this game from us and certainly their huge use of the portal had nothing to do with our struggles at QB.
I mean, to say anyone on the team was “the difference in the game” once again shows you really don’t understand what you’re seeing when you watch this game of football.
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If we maintain the countrys best retention then no change.
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We are not going to kick any starters off team just to take a chance on the portal any more than absolute needs.
Unless you’re talking about replacing DJU with a portal guy, or unless you’re talking about replacing the DC last year with a portal DC, the portal would have changed nothing since 2021.
We will continue to retain and fill absolute needs. Kicking starters off the team just to take a chance in the portal has not been our issue, at all.
Nobody can tell me how the portal would have changed anything, and the portal has not once cost a single game since 2021.
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Re: If we maintain the countrys best retention then no change.
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Nobody is talking about kicking starters off the team dude. We would just like to see more holes filled in areas of concern.
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Re: Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
Sep 3, 2025, 9:41 PM
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Peyton Page at 90?? He was 55 when he played here before going to the NFL. Try Stephiylan Green.
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I meant Green
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Sep 3, 2025, 9:54 PM
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if you find any other mistakes let me know....
Do you disagree with anything else?
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Re: Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
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I found your take well thought out and honest. I agree , I watched a lot of the replay. LSU seemed to out smart us on Defense, disguising what I’d call mini LB blitzes . See last play. I felt we looked physical and played hard, not smart and no adjustments. While I love Randal - Why did we not see any of Davidson (FS). Not one carry. I heard Nick Saban say the other day the most improvement comes from game one the game two. I’ve heard that before, and I pray that we improve.
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Watching is all over I think they were slightly more talented...
Sep 3, 2025, 10:02 PM
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...and slightly better coached. If LSU is truly a top contender, then maybe we are a possible contender?
We continue to play good teams who have a portal player or two who are the difference in the game though.
This might keep us a play or two away.
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Yup. You have no clue what youre watching.
Sep 3, 2025, 11:34 PM
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Their offensive talent didn’t beat us. The defense held them down and did their job. More than enough to win.
Their defensive talent didn’t beat us. A dysfunctional Cade missed first downs and even TDs all night.
Their coaching didn’t beat us, unless you want to consider their DC sending the house as actually outcoaching us. The ONLY reason that scheme worked was because we didn’t hit some easy passes to make them stop.
You’re up.
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Re: Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
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Yeah, nice work. Dabo explained why GD didn't play after his very first ever play at Clemson resulted in a whiffed, or missed block. That's Dabo's words, not mine. It absolutely inferiorated me when I heard him say that was the reason... which is fine, if you're going to coach that way, then why not the hard line on cade, Tristan Leigh or any other player.
We'll improve from game to game. I expect everyone will ball out this game. But in honesty, we can make mistakes in our next several games and still beat the teams comfortably.
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Re: Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
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Leigh was absolutely horrible. There was one play where he was supposed to be part of a double team on the defensive end and it was jaw-dropping. His head was down in the dirt and he just collapsed at the feet of the defender instead of holding his ground. It looked like he had no balance at all. And that was not the only time, there were several other snaps where he was flat-out beaten one on one.
On LSU’s touchdown in the first half he got completely mauled, then for some reason decided to hit the running back on the ground after the score. It easily could have been flagged as unsportsmanlike conduct.
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Roger that Clemgalalways
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No doubt Davidson missed a block on one of his two plays. Senior Cade Klubnik, and I'm a long-time booster of his, missing 50% of the game, and Senior Adam Randall, whiffing on blocks and RB skill sets, were much bigger Game 1 problems.
If Dabo, CJ and Riley cannot coach up Davidson from Jan to Sept 2025 or Eziomume in Year 2, why do players skip their last semester of high school? Not for skill set development. Where is the skill set development and the mature handling of nerves Tiger coaches?
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Let me ask you as simply as possible, Charmin.
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We have the best retention in the country. That is, we are keeping our elite talent in-house.
LSU lost 23 guys to the portal and signed 18. They signed 18 guys because they had to. Not because they improved their team.
We signed absolute needs from the portal.
Where pray would we put more portal players?
Please list the starters you’d replace with an unproven portal guy??? Name the players we’d kick off the team?
The portal had absolutely NOTHING to do with the game and the outcome. Nothing whatsoever.
Our QB was awful and the OC did nothing to help him. That’s it. That’s all it was. The portal wouldn’t have changed the way this game played out.
The portal isn’t making anyone elite. Nobody. The elite teams are doing what we did - filling absolute needs. There are zero elite teams who are losing 23 and signing 18 portal guys.
The portal argument is not supported. It’s a dumb angle. Just another way for you to complain, Charmin.
Please show me how the portal affected that game, since you made that outlandish statement, additionally how would the portal helped us win that game?
Your statement is baseless griping. No facts, just feelings.
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And man let me apologize a little.
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You made some good points, seriously. I think we all agree on some common points. The breakdown is really simple if you think about it. Don’t need to call them out again.
I do wonder though how you say factual things like how we missed two huge passes in literally the last two, most important plays of the game, yet not understand that was the story of the game? So if you reply boil away everything else we are all saying, those two plays right there were is a snippet of what we saw all night.
Hey, I love the guy and how he represents our school. I agree with Dabo when he said this is big boy football and dudes gotta be dudes. That was the biggest thing. Cade owned it like a man.
On other thing is I’ll man up and apologize for calling you Charmin. You know why I do that, but it’s all good. My bad. I’ll curb that.. for now 🙂
Go Tigers!
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Re: And man let me apologize a little.
Sep 4, 2025, 1:59 AM
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Dude. Go watch TV or listen to a podcast
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I think the portal did matter. If you recruit great guys and keep them, then
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you are golden. There are some positions we have not done that, but have stood pat anyway. RB is a start. Hopefully the line will be better with Luke's recruits, and hopefully SOON! But the players LSU recruited had auditioned at their previous schools, so you know better what you are getting. If all those changes fit into your culture and scheme, then you have a good team like they did on Saturday. We picked up a couple of pieces we needed, but I really didn't see them have an impact on Saturday. We still need THAT running back. We need speed at Linebacker. And we need Cade to SEE the open guy and hit him instead of locking in and throwing into coverage. I hope we can get better. We will see if LSU is really good or if we are not just very good as the season unfolds. Go Tigers!
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is hilarious after reading your emotionally charged rant about the portal.
Cade lost the game and the OC stinks. I agree with you on that.
We have a WR starting at RB. Just think about that. And then ask where they could have hit the portal for a veteran while the others learn to pass pro.
Adam Randall is better than the scholarship backs on this team…. Wow
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Your observations of the on field play are spot on. Woodazz is a marginally better tackler than Barrett Carter. That is no compliment.
Not sure I get your portal examples, a Berrion Brown type receiver was the last thing Clemson needed from the portal and I don’t think we were in the market for a starting corner given we had Terrell and Hampton coming back. Now after next year when Wesco,Moore and Brown all leave at the same time, we better go get a free agent wide receiver. That is too much to replace from HS all at once.
LSU lost a ton of players to both the portal and graduation. There was no way they could compete at a high level without brining in a bunch of portal players.
The best player on LSU’s team and the difference in the game was their 5th year QB who stuck it out at LSU even when they brought in Jaden Daniels from the portal to play in front of him. There is my cherry picked example from the non-portal side on offense. On defense, I thought the difference was the contain and pressure on Cade by Perkins and Weeks on the defensive side.Two players who stuck it out at LSU.
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I think misunderstood that part of it.
Sep 4, 2025, 6:47 AM
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I wasn’t saying Clemson specifically needed a Barion Brown type receiver. The point is that portal players give teams those few extra impact plays that swing a close game. Like Dabo himself says, tough games often come down to a handful of plays.
Imagine if we had an impact LB from the portal pushing Wade, or a corner who could cover without drawing two PI flags like Hampton did. LSU lost a ton to both the portal and graduation, but they plugged the holes with transfers who came in and made a difference. That’s what we’re not doing.
Nussmeier is the perfect example on the other side of the ball. He waited his turn behind Jaden Daniels, stuck it out, and now as a senior he was the difference in this game. On defense, Harold Perkins was everywhere and Whit Weeks gave them another steady homegrown option. LSU has found the right balance: develop your own stars, but don’t be afraid to use the portal to fill the gaps. Clemson refuses to use that tool, and it shows.
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Re: I think misunderstood that part of it.
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If dabo and the staff had a brain they’d be hitting the portal hard this offseason coming up to make up for all the decommits we had in last years class. There’s going to be a big drop off in talent after next year on both sides of the ball. They will have to use the portal or risk losing 4-5-6 games in 2027.
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Lots of valuable insight here.
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Thank you.
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Re: Lots of valuable insight here.
Sep 5, 2025, 12:02 PM
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It’s actually a bit more interesting than anything you ever post.
I think honestly is much more valuable than tired, dead eyed, pumper BS.
If Dabo Swinney came out in the next presser and said he’s had a change of heart, and believes buying stars from the portal is the way to go, you would parrot every word he says.
I honestly have no idea if you’re serious, or just trying to be as annoying as possible, presented as being serious…
Either way it’s effective, good for you!
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Thanks for having the stomach to watch it again. I really thought the interior O line would improve this year. GR seems lost to me.
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Re: Deep Dive, Part 2: Clemson vs. LSU (Second Half)
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Thanks for the analysis. Only thing I'd say is that I dont think we have the ability to bring in marquee guys through the portal. We are already seeing our recruiting fall off a cliff last year and this year. If we cant afford 17 year olds we definitely aren't gonna be able to afford these mercenary type players who are already established at the collegiate level and looking to get paid. Maybe I'm wrong and Dabos just sitting on a pile of NIL money he flat out refuses to spend on either recruits or transfers but that seems pretty unlikely to me. If we were still bringing in top 10 classes then perhaps a discussion could be had about perhaps using some of those resources on transfers but we are gonna be lucky to even finish in the top 20 classes this year and last year was even worse so I'm pretty sure if we had the resources to bring in better recruits we'd be doing so.
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2026 247 composite rankings
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have us at 15. Not sure that’s falling off a cliff. For comparison, LSU currently sits at 11. Also, since 2015, we’ve only had 4 classes inside the top 10 according to 247, and 3 of those were 2018 or later, which does not indicate top 10 classes translate to on field success.
Some of these arguments seem to ignore facts.
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Re: 2026 247 composite rankings
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Well we definitely had the worst class in many years last season and yes we are at 15 right now but doesnt sound like we are in the running for anyone of significance thats left so we will be dropping, only question is how much. My point was that if we lack the cash to recruit any better than that in this new world (when we all know Dabo preferrs to build through recruiting) then we probably lack the cash to pluck a bunch of elite transfers out of the portal. And yes great recruiting is perhaps the single largest predictor of onfield success. Doesn't guarantee anything obviously but to pretend we are gonna be contenders with recruiting classes in the twenty range is ignoring some facts as well. But maybe youre right and Dabo has tons of cash and is just letting himself get outbid for players over and over just so he can sit on a big pile of cash and give the portal the middle finger. Sounds totally plausible.
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15 is not good enough without using the portal to replace those that transfer out.
Gotta have the consensus #1 class, by a mile, for Dabo’s way to work. We have seen the past few years.
It’s only going to he worse after this season.
But pump away brother! 👍
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My take.
Sep 4, 2025, 9:33 AM
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I wish I had as much free time as you do.
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Right about everything
Sep 4, 2025, 9:37 AM
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except that the Brown td should've counted. He dropped the ball.
Portal argument kinda meh. A portal player had our lone sack of the game. We're never going to be a portal team. We could've won the game. Portal is no excuse.
Thumbs down for insinuating that anyone who disagrees with you is a sunshine pumping idiot.
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You can disagree, fine, but look at all these silly responses
Sep 4, 2025, 5:52 PM
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The pumpers I am talking about are not just people who always try to stay positive. I mean the ones who show up with the clear intention of mocking or derailing the actual discussion. Those folks are not interested in football talk at all, they are just defending anything Dabo does or says, right or wrong. That is the difference. Sorry if I was not clear on that distinction. I am not perfect, but I usually do not call anyone an idiot unless they come at me first. The pumpers I am calling out are not looking for honest debate, and when they pretend they are it is just a game. You can see it on this thread if you look at FM’s post as an example.
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I was doing exactly what you asked
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Sep 5, 2025, 6:10 AM
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No insults, no name calling, just attempting to do an Xs & Os breakdown of the first game with you.
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It covers up what I am trying to read
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Re: The dang portal is not loaded with all stars.
Sep 5, 2025, 8:28 AM
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The good ones have to be Paid to join your team. I'd rather stay just like we are. The plays were there with the players we have. They will improve.
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The Portal would make no difference
Sep 5, 2025, 9:56 AM
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It's a way to get talented players. We have talented players.
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Not talented enough to challenge for the Natty..
I assume that’s where we all are expectation wise.
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