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Declaration of Dependence 1776
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Nov 22, 2024, 6:03 PM
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"We, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing
to the Supreme Judge of the World
for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration,
with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence
, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
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Re: Declaration of Dependence 1776
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Nov 22, 2024, 6:33 PM
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Romans 13:1
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established"
The founding fathers were worthy of the noose and hell.
Thank god for them though.
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Re: Declaration of Dependence 1776
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:41 PM
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One man's traitor is another man's patriot. That's the story of history from Unified Israel breaking into North and South, right on till today. Everyone wants individual rule, down to the personal level if they can get it.
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Re: Declaration of Dependence 1776
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Nov 22, 2024, 11:01 PM
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That, among other reasons, is why many in the colonies, including Franklin in England, were very much against revolution against England through 1774. Since God establishes authority, how does one know when God is establishing an authority to replace the one existing? The answer wouldn't be merely one's personal interests.
The answer for them is quite a subject. John Locke, We hold these truths, etc. What we have been given is a process where we change the application of that authority every few years. One does not need to believe Romans 13 affirms theocracy to understand its truth and that of the Declaration.
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I thank God everyday that I was born here, live here and will die here.
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Nov 23, 2024, 7:07 AM
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However, the revolution wasn't about anything but property. The Founding Fathers wanted to own property without the King taking and giving it as he pleased and the thought that the next monarch who ruled would take everything they'd worked and built from their children and give it to one of his or hers.
It wasn't about God, God was included to solidify the masses who conquered this land and would not have fought so viciously had they not also been given the opportunity to own land.
Now this is bordering on being all politicky and I'm out.
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Re: I thank God everyday that I was born here, live here and will die here.
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Nov 23, 2024, 10:50 AM
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That is a minority, maybe isolated, take. That doesnt make it wrong. I would be interested in how you arrived at it.
I think everything the founders said and did would have to be discounted to think that. In just one example, Franklin would have rather lived in London than the colonies, voluntarily spending 20 adult years there from about 1750 on. He had promised his London friends and anyone else he knew he would "arrange his affairs" and move to London permanently. If things were getting dicey over ownership of land (a thing I dont think had ever been discussed), he'd have simply done his plan. Instead he was the colonies' representative to England as George took an increasingly condescending role toward them. In a famous meeting in 1774, he "walked into the Cockpit a British subject, and walked out of it an American." Nothing in that meeting was about land. It was not an outcome he liked.
One can look at the lives of the others and find much the same. Finally, what they risked everything for, and then implemented, was not merely a different, independent government securing their holdings. It was different type of society built on a different view of humanity, requiring a different theory of government in both role and practice. This isnt politics, but history,
The best historian is one who was there. John Q Adams: "Why is that your most venerated occasion, next to the birth of the savior of the world, returns on this date, the 4th of July? Is it not that in the chain of human events the birth of the nation is indissoluble linked to ...".
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