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Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
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I know everybody has seen and heard the comments made by Terry Kinard, his son Jaden, and Dabo Swinney. Hopefully you've also seen my comments after talking to a lot of people.
Coach was prepared to answer if he had been asked during the NSD presser, but he wasn't asked. In lieu of that, I've been given what his answer would have been.
"I appreciate the opportunity to address some comments that were made. Basically, we just had an accountability run that Coach Batson, he schedules these runs all throughout the year with our accountability teams. Most of the teams didn't have to run. A couple of teams - one team in particular - had to run several over and backs. There were about five or six guys that got their butts chewed out and they earned it. Football at this level isn't for everyone. The commitment, discipline, accountability, toughness. It's hard at this level. That's really all there is to say. I appreciate the opportunity to say it."
It aligns with what I heard.
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And its spot on***
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Sounds like Jaden couldn't take hard coaching....***
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Re: Sounds like Jaden couldn't take hard coaching....***
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Dec 20, 2023, 4:16 PM
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He’ll probably transfer to cooterville. Thanks Dabo for telling it like it is.
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Re: Sounds like Jaden couldn't take hard coaching.... just imagine what Terry
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Dec 20, 2023, 4:17 PM
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went through in the Ford regime. If Jaden thought todays coaching was hard he has no idea
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Re: Sounds like Jaden couldn't take hard coaching.... just imagine what Terry
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Dec 20, 2023, 4:30 PM
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went through in the Ford regime. If Jaden thought todays coaching was hard he has no idea
Yep...
I've heard stories about ol' danny!!!
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I respectfully disagree. Terry earned the right to be there. This is
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outside of football.
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Re: I respectfully disagree. Terry earned the right to be there. This is
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Why is this outside of football?
TK also said, " he and his family wanted to be disassociated with the Clemson football program." I don't have the link available but I'm sure others can vouch for this.
I'm not advocating removing his name from the ROH but if he truly feels that way...why not.
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I do too. Hopefully this will fade away and will be resolved quietly.***
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Dec 21, 2023, 2:46 PM
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Terry really should have been an adult about it and approached Dabo before
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posting on social media. It’s sad.
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Re: Terry really should have been an adult about it and approached Dabo before
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Agree 100%. It's sad that Kinard may have effectually ended his son's football future. What team would want this kind of drama?
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Probably more accurate to say that Terry's son HAS NO football future...
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Dec 20, 2023, 4:51 PM
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and Batson's "Accountability Run" just revealed that. Football is a tough game, and to play you have to work hard in preparation. Sounds like young Master Kinard did not have the right stuff to be a football player at this level.
What is shocking to me is that a guy like Terry Kinard, who CERTAINLY dealt with coaching during his playing years that was AT LEAST as rigorous (probably moreso given who his head coach was), was so quick to fold up like that. If anyone knows his son and knows Dabo well enough to figure out what's really going on here, it's Terry Kinard. Lost all respect for him. I would expect A LOT MORE from a Ford-era Tiger.
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Re: Terry really should have been an adult about it and approached Dabo before
Dec 21, 2023, 7:13 AM
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While I agree with your sentiment 100% we actually don't know what TK tried to do beforehand. If he is anything like what he used to be he most definitely would have tried to talk to Dabo before posting. He may have just not liked what Dabo had to say. One thing about Dabo is he never apologizes for being tough on the kids and never apologizes for loving too much on the kids. He also doesn't say "he's lying" or "he's a liar", he just tells his side of the story just like what David Hood wrote and leaves it at that. TK very likely didn't hear what he wanted to hear so he went school girl on Dabo. That's just my take anyways. Go Tigers!
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I must have missed something!
Dec 21, 2023, 9:12 AM
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What did Terry (and Jaden) say?( Could not find in "Search")
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Now, that sounds a lot more believable.***
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You mean in lieu of...
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Dec 20, 2023, 4:37 PM
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comments made by an angry parent who naively and ill-advisedly believes every word of an emotionally embellished account their child provides without taking the time to hear both sides of the story?
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Re: You mean in lieu of...
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The parent knows how hard players have to work at Clemson. Danny Ford worked his teams HARD. If you have ever watched that special "We're #1" about the 1981 team, that subject was mentioned.
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
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Hopefully Judge Keller sees this. He jumped on Dabo the second this came out.
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A rational person would say "maybe I was wrong"....
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But I fully expect deflection or outright excuses.
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Has it ever admitted to being wrong?
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Seems like it doubles down on the disingenuous trolls instead of being an adult about it. It has some issues, obviously.
Most disingenuous poster on the board. It’s very very jealous of the football teams success, and revels I’m not winning at the highest level for the last 3 years.
It doesn’t take any accountability for Brad and can hardly make a post without being a hypocritical, underhanded weasel. I only wonder why no one else is allowed to troll the site on a daily basis?
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Reminds Me of The My Uncle Is Jim Kelly / Chad Kelly Situation
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The level of entitlement is astounding these days. Everyone thinks they're entitled until they realize that the only thing promised is death and taxes in this life. Then they play victim of society and make poor choices in life. I for one do not feel sorry for Terry or Jayden for what is to come next. The scrutiny Jayden will face over the actions of his father is going to make Tyler from Spartanburg look like the Clemson fan of the decade.
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"Football at this level isn't for everyone." = "Don't let the door hit you in
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the buttocks on the way out."
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More than anyone I hate this for Jaden.
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Nobody would have had a clue or any kind of notion about him quitting the team after a tough love moment didn't sit well, but instead Pops has to go all public and emotional about it and make it everybody's business. Like the Big Dave snipes at Dabo and the program after DJ left, it accomplishes nothing except putting an unwanted and difficult burden on their kids, all for some kind of self-important spotlight moment. Pops ain't the ones having to put their money where their mouth is - their kids have to put their money where Pops' mouth is.
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Re: More than anyone I hate this for Jaden.
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I have an old Bear Bryant book, and he told about a problem situation with a really good player. The father got involved; the player transferred to another school; and he was never heard of again.
According to The Bear, "When a daddy gets involved, the kid usually doesn't stand a chance."
Unfortunately, this seems to be the case with TK and his son.
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I noticed nobody asked.
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And I appreciated it. Signing day should be a forward-looking event with the new players in the spotlight. It wouldn't have been right to spoil the moment with this.
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Re: I noticed nobody asked.
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I was frustrated no one did but you're right. I'm glad Dabo was prepared just in case
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
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Dec 20, 2023, 5:10 PM
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Imagine if we had abandoned hime when he was "allegedly" caught with that $20 dollar hooker
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
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Thanks for the info. Again the timing of this still seems fishy to me. Same time as signing day 🤔
GO TIGERS!!!!!!
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Love it, lol. That’s the nicest way I’ve ever heard someone call someone else a puss. Dabo is a legend!
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Award given ^^
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Thanks David!
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I think Dabo handled the whole situation well.
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This will all be proven once this happens to Jaden again. I expect more trouble at his next stop. Really stupid for Kinard to burn the bridges he has over his bratty kid who couldn't cut it.
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I still say there is a disconnect somewhere in this situation, one that could
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have easily been solved if Terry Kinard had just talked with the coaches involved, instead of becoming a keyboard warrior.
If ANYBODY should understand hard coaching, it is Terry Kinard. Practices under Coach Danny Ford were the stuff of brutal legend. Any retrospective I have seen on that 1981 Championship team, the former players make a POINT of saying they knew they were in better shape than the opposition, due to those practices.
So, how do we get from that to suddenly one of those players condemning the whole Clemson program for doing a PALE version of the same for his son? It doesn't make sense. I can only surmise that some wild exaggeration about what really happened was provided by young Jaden, to try and save face and not incur Daddy's wrath. And, sounds like Daddy bought it, hook, line, and sinker.
If that truly is the case, Terry Kinard did his son no favors. The truth of what went on will become readily apparent to the next coach who takes him on, if anyone does. Coaches have a fraternity too, just like players.
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I am also pretty sure Jaden won't be getting a Participation Trophy on the way
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Dec 20, 2023, 6:23 PM
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out the door.
"Accountability" is definitely a four letter word for this generation. I have seen it in my own household, sadly. My oldest child was my In-Laws ONLY grandchild until my second son came along six years later, and they flat spoiled him rotten, despite protests from me. What we got was an overentitled young man who thought he deserved anything he wanted without having to work for it, since that was the way it had always been growing up. It took a couple near brushes with the law to disabuse him of that notion.
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
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Thanks, David.
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Terry may have already had a pine cone up his @ss and this was the last straw.***
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So, is an Accountability Run just a set of wind sprints
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Awarded to players who fall short in some sort of Accountability to the program (such as attending class, grades, attending team meetings, practice effort)…is that right?
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I recently turned 50 and reflecting on the remaining years left
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I would love to have one more week of two a days back on that Woodmont football field with coach Chandler giving us the business!
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Re: I recently turned 50 and reflecting on the remaining years left
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Yeah, at the time it was pretty rough, but I sure did miss it when it was over. Ware Shoals High, fall of 1968.
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
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I’m not gonna get on here and dog this kid. He may have screwed up (or may not have). Either way, parents get sideways about their kids and it sounds like that’s what happened here. It also sounds like the kid wasn’t singled out. TK was a great player and I wished he had picked up the phone and hashed it out with Dabo. I know plenty of parents who lost their minds over youth sports only to regret it later. Airing it out on FB is never, never, never a good idea.
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Accountability runs???
Uhhhhhh………I’m just gonna label this “big ol’ crybaby”.
If he was on the team I was on, he would have had to run the entire circumference of campus, multiple times and run and/or hop the entire visitors side of Death Valley, multiple times…..just basic preseason training. What a wimp. I don’t recall anyone quitting back in the day. What I recall was teammates racing.
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One thing I will say is the kids side has not come out, we do not know what he said or thinks. For all we know he wasn't crying to his dad but just organically brought it up(something like "coach Swinney was tough on me the last few practices, wonder if hes mad at me for transferring") and his Dad took up his pitch fork on his own.
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If Terry Kinard does not want anything to do with Clemson Football, then take his name down off of Memorial Stadium. I cannot believe this is even a story.
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cancel culture is lame
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Cancel culture is lame until their ox gets gored.
Dec 21, 2023, 8:55 PM
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Then they start boycotting Bud Light.
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I hope the kid does well. Becomes very successful at football. It'll mean he
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eventually learned the lesson and developed into a man. Too bad this all got blown out of proportion, but the spotlight on an All-Timer's son has gotta be bright.
Here's to him toughening up somewhere down the road. He'll need it along the line soon enough...sometimes you don't learn the lesson right away. Maybe his Dad will learn something about the pros and cons of social media, too.
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Whats so strange is Kinard played for danny ford
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Who was known to have brutal practices.
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Jaden’s Dad was coached by Danny Ford and Bill Parcells. I am sure he was lit into 100x worse than anything that goes on these days.
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
Dec 21, 2023, 7:12 AM
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Kids today are kinda soft
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This is another ex of Dabo letting family members on the team that are not cut out for it …if he stops the nepotism, he stops the silver spoon in the mouth over paid football player/coaches sons whining after a tough practice.
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
Dec 21, 2023, 2:53 PM
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Why? Has it happened before?
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Maybe David Hood would have the guts to ask that to Coach Sweeney…nah, he’s part of the problem
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F**k you punk. Rip Dabo all you want, Hood does all he can to help the program. You're a true pos
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
Dec 21, 2023, 3:32 PM
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Dan Ford would not approve.
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
Dec 21, 2023, 3:58 PM
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Terry definitely needs to stay on the ROH, he was mad and believed his son. I don’t fault him for that. I remember him playing and he was a destroyer. I just hope he learns the truth.
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So what is "accountability run"?***
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation
Dec 21, 2023, 5:21 PM
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That's exactly what I thought when I first heard it. I trust Dabo on this one!!
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Dec 21, 2023, 5:27 PM
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Ya know, if ya think this all the way through with the information available..........the man who offers a woman $20 to rent her body, might not make the best parenting decisions either. Just sayin.....
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Re: Dabo's comments on the Kinard situation***
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