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All-In [10319]
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Dabo Swinney Is Not
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Going to win the National Championship every year. No, Clemson won't get a playoff spot every year either. Sometimes we may even have a 9-win season. I am fine with that as long as Clemson remains CLEMSON. What does that mean to me?
It means the following:
1. The best tailgate environment in the nation.
2. A family atmosphere.
3. A moral compass.
4. Loyalty to the players who commit to Clemson.
5. Honor in Clemson Traditions.
WE COULD LOSE EVERY GAME AND I WOULD STILL BE HAPPY WITH CLEMSON IF THOSE ASPECTS REMAIN INTACT.
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Tiger Titan [47996]
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Cute post.
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Jul 25, 2024, 11:52 PM
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We should decrease our football budget substantially if that’s the case.
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Game Changer [1848]
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Re: Cute post.
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:14 AM
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By your logic jk… basketball should have become just intramural years ago!!!
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Re: Cute post.
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Jul 26, 2024, 8:52 AM
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Should every school in the nation except for maybe UGA and Alabama reduce their budgets?
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Tiger Titan [47996]
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Yes, any school that pays elite level salaries and provides elite facilities
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:12 PM
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but does not expect elite performance on the field should consider reducing their budget.
They aren’t getting what they pay for, and could achieve those same results for much less.
This is especially relevant in today’s world of Title IX and athletic departments having more sports that lose money. That extra money could be spent to help subsidize these other sports.
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Valley Protector [1485]
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Further expenditures on title IV sports is...
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Jul 27, 2024, 8:33 AM
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is absolutely the last gd thing that should be done with that money!
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Orange Blooded [2576]
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Re: Yes, any school that pays elite level salaries and provides elite facilities
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Jul 27, 2024, 8:42 AM
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Can't believe I'm doing this, but I agree, partially, with JK. If you're going to pay at an elite level, you have to perform at an elite level. The question becomes, what is elite? My expectations would reflect, partially, what the original poster said.... We're not going to be in the NC, or even the playoffs, every single year. As long as we are competing, as long as there is the CREDIBLE belief that we're able to make the playoffs, and we beat the #### out of USuC, I'm good. Bammer, with Saban, didn't make the NC every year. With NIL, we were starting to see Saban start to falter. If it weren't for his/Bammers name, they wouldn't have been in the playoffs on several of those occasions. Back to the point, Clemson must continue to do things the way Dabo has done and be relevant and I'm fine. Realistically, if we were to win EVERY game, EVERY year, it would become boring
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Re: Yes, any school that pays elite level salaries and provides elite facilities
Jul 27, 2024, 7:38 PM
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It won't happen because all those schools that waste money to become elite then don't prove it have the "Coot Syndrome", wait until next year.
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Tiger Titan [47996]
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One little problem with your post.
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Jul 27, 2024, 9:59 AM
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We don’t find basketball at an elite level. Not even close.
So of course we don’t expect to have an elite basketball program.
In contrast, we do fund football at an elite level. Expectations are set accordingly.
If some of you aren’t comfortable with these high expectations, then we shouldn’t pay our coach $11 million, pay our assistants among the best in the nation, have outstanding facilities, etc.
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National Champion [7317]
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Re: One little problem with your post.
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Jul 27, 2024, 11:03 AM
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and we won 2 national titles, and 7 straight ACC titles. and even in a "down year" under Dabo, we won 9 games. I would consider that "elite" which imo is winning 9-10 games a year on average, with a playoff spot every other year.
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Re: One little problem with your post.
Jul 27, 2024, 12:51 PM
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Let me splain to you Clemson is at elite level in football. As I have said before
only Alabama seems to have much complete consistency. 30 wins in three years great
recruiting and graduating players makes us very elite. And I will give you this
we do agree on one thing, we both like to see Clemson at elite in basketball also.
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Do you go stand out in traffic trying to get hit, when you are not posting on
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Jul 26, 2024, 8:56 AM
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Tigernet? Seems like it would be about the same thing.
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Dynasty Maker [3326]
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Re: Cute post.
Jul 26, 2024, 12:03 PM
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So basketball should have zero budget with that mindset . Bless your heart , you are special !
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Tiger Titan [47996]
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Basketball achieves more than our program budget would suggest.
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:12 PM
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That calls for spending more money on it, not less.
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This is patently false, ma'am.
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:18 PM
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Last season was the first in six years that we actually finished the season ranked higher than our program budget ranking (40's). We've averaged a 75th place finish all those other years. It's also the first time that we've finished the season ranked higher than our recruiting average over that same period, transfers included.
You are a sad piece of work.
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Tiger Spirit [9308]
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Incorrect.
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:48 PM
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Clemson spends a little north of $8 mil on basketball operations.
According to Gray DI’s PES Athletics Benchmarking and analysis of EADA data
teams that spend that amount should make the NCAA tournament about 33% of the time. The last thirteen years, we have not done so.
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Tiger Titan [47996]
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Its not incorrect just because you found someone who disagrees.
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Jul 27, 2024, 8:37 AM
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It doesn’t take any high level analysis to see that recent performance in basketball constitutes overachieving while recent performance in football is underachieving.
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Re: Its not incorrect just because you found someone who disagrees.
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Jul 27, 2024, 9:08 AM
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JK, could rationalize anything, football makes post season play every year.
30 wins the past three years. I hope basketball reaches the next level, Clemson
football is already there.
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Tiger Spirit [9308]
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You love to sight logic when it fits your narrative and reject it when it does
Jul 27, 2024, 10:54 AM
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not. I did not "find someone who disagrees". You stated that we are over achieving with respect to spending. I presented statistical evidence that your statement is incorrect. You are entitled to your opinion that we consistently overachieve in basketball versus what we spend. But you need data that supports more wins, or tournament appearances versus teams that spend similarly. That is what I gave you, statistical evidence that your stemement is not true.
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Even this non-record-setting swoon these past three seasons
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:20 PM
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we've finished the season ranked better than our overall program budget rank. Nobody does more with less than Dabo.
Troll on, Tater hater.
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Orange Beast [6327]
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Jul 27, 2024, 10:34 AM
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Go back to basketball Judge.
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Jul 27, 2024, 1:25 PM
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You really do make this site less fun to be part of. You seem like a miserable human being.
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Rival Killer [2721]
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He's not the coach that's been overpaid.***
Jul 31, 2024, 9:29 AM
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:10 AM
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Then Dabo would need a major pay decrease. His salary was based on him providing a football that competes at the highest level, year in and year out . Anything less,is a waste of money, that we don’t have . We can’t afford him. We don’t have the donors to keep up with his type of salary. Could possibly be cheaper to hire an up and coming coach and spend the money on NIL and future players .
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Game Changer [1848]
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Re: Dabo Swinney Is Not
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Jul 26, 2024, 12:16 AM
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Go cluck in your chicken coop where all losers go to hide.
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All-In [10319]
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Jul 27, 2024, 6:35 AM
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Then Dabo would need a major pay decrease. His salary was based on him providing a football that competes at the highest level, year in and year out . Anything less,is a waste of money, that we don’t have . We can’t afford him. We don’t have the donors to keep up with his type of salary. Could possibly be cheaper to hire an up and coming coach and spend the money on NIL and future players .
Dabo Swinney has earned his salary based upon past performance. He began working at Clemson and his salary was $38,000 per year. He came in as a WR Coach and was catapulted into the Head Coaching position. He's won 2 National Championships and 6 Playoff appearances, 4 National Championship appearances. This feat has never been achieved by a Head Coach without prior head coaching experience much less no prior coordinator experience. Currently, Dabo Swinney is the winningest active coach in collegiate football. I'd argue that his salary is where it needs to be because he's earned it.
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Tiger Titan [47996]
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By your logic, it doesnt matter what he does moving forward.
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Jul 27, 2024, 8:38 AM
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Which is ridiculous.
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Valley Protector [1485]
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Displayed your lack of understanding...
Jul 27, 2024, 8:59 AM
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that football: subsidizes the other sports, the other sports collectively drain more than half of the annual revenue generated by the football program, football is the ONLY chance for a ROI of any significance and the only area that annual profitability is a reasonable assumption despite all the parasites.
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Dabo is the best value in college football as a head coach. It's hardly
Jul 27, 2024, 11:19 AM
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close otherwise.
Dabo has leveraged a barely Top 25 overall program budget into untold successes. Currently we have the 6th best record in the whole sport over these past three 'down' seasons. 6th best! And our worst year end finish has been 20th. We have the 3rd longest winning streak also in the game heading into this season, and those victims were no pushovers. The historic run he took us on is one of the greatest in the sport's history, and we continue to stay poised and ready for more ahead.
Yours is an awful and woefully uninformed take. My goodness.
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Ditto
Great post!!
( Not the negative chicken post, but your excellent love for Clemson post)
Message was edited by: jlbrackn1®
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I’m with you there. I live the glory days of the 80’s and suffered through the wilderness. It wasn’t as tough because at the end of the day we were still Clemson. Tailgating and opposing fan interaction always made game days worthwhile. I don’t know too many places where a Miami fan can be seen meeting a clemson family for the first time and spend two hours sharing beer and food while getting along. I’m proud to say almost every opposing fan base has a fan that has partaken in my family tailgate. They are always amazed at the hospitality in Clemson. There’s something special in those hills. It’s the people that gather around a place called Clemson.
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Not sure about losing ever game but agree with you on all other points. The sport is taken away when the team with the most money and allow criminals to play for them hoist the trophy. The young athletes are being used and abused with money held up in front of their broke wallets.
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Jul 27, 2024, 2:10 PM
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I don’t know
Being satisfied with lesser than potential success like that is exactly what drives a program into a full decline.
If Dabo’s the coach, I expect a playoff spot at least.
Dabo expects that for himself. That’s his standard.
And if you lower that standard and toy with it, it doesn’t hold value or mean anything.
Abide by “Best is the Standard”
I expect another title out of him
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Jul 27, 2024, 7:50 PM
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Other top programs pay elite salaries and provide elite facilities. What they do in addition is tamper with other program’s rosters, and have large NIL funding available to win bidding wars. In today’s landscape, that’s what differs from 3 or 4 loss seasons and mediocre postseason bowl games.
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Paw Master [16329]
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OP, I agree with you on almost every point.
I am a Clemson grad and I've seen the majority of games live since 1968. The first 8 years I was watching closely, we posted 8 losing seasons. Over the last 50 years, we rank 10th in winning %, we have won 3 nattys and a whole lot of conference championships. Over those same years we own our rivals, and we have very nice winning records vs ND, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and the like.
I want to continue winning. Dabo has been a fantastic football coach and a great representative of all that Clemson wants to be. I will not second guess Coach Swinney. I like the way he and Clemson have come through all the on going changes in college football. More power to Clemson, Dabo, and doing things the right way.
Go Tigers!!
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Jul 31, 2024, 7:41 AM
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While I get your points we also need to be realistic. Fun is in the winning. Dabo knows that as well. It’s best if he keeps up a winning tradition along with all of the other points you made, because if we go to winning 5-6 games a season Dabo is gone. Even if he keeps those other values intact.
So I’d add point 6 to your list. Consistently win 9-10 games a year with playoff births every few years. That’ll keep the majority happy.
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