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Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Hearing him talk in the press conference yesterday about how he approached this DC hire was great. He was thorough, he consulted others he trusts, and he spoke with multiple candidates for consideration.
Contrast this with the promotions of Goodwin and Conn a few years ago, when the process was much less extensive or thorough.
Couple this with Dabo’s shift in philosophy on the portal and NIL, and we can see the growth in him lately. It is really refreshing to see! It should give us all more confidence in the direction of our football program.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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You mean he didn’t do that when he hired Morris, Venables, Luke, or Riley?
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:44 AM
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Vanables was one were we got lucky. Stoops had brought his brother back and was going to make him co DC to Venables, but Bob was going to call plays. Venables wanted out.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:55 AM
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Morris and Venables were before the success……Riley and Luke were HUGE steps in the right direction but now that he’s open to a few transfers and he’s made ANOTHER splash hire I think it’s obvious he’s no longer as complacent as I and some others made him out to be. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:52 AM
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By no means was Dabo Complacent. He truly believed they could coach up young coaches and just keep churning out new coaches and promoting from within. Did not work unfortunately. I also think he truly felt he would continue to recruit and develop from the HS ranks. He’s now realized that’s not feasible anymore. Too many players are bailing and we aren’t winning recruiting battles due to NIL.
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Tiger Titan [48246]
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Yes, but plenty of other coaches knew that it wouldn't work
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:40 PM
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and they weren't arrogant enough to try it.
Dabo was different. His unique approach can be both an asset and a disadvantage, depending on the situation.
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Paw Warrior [4653]
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Re: Yes, but plenty of other coaches knew that it wouldn't work
Jan 16, 2025, 1:15 PM
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I’m not sure dating my time with you. If I saw consistency with your posts you’d have my respect even if I didn’t agree with you.
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Goodwin and Conn were lazy hires.
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:39 PM
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Dabo seemed to have convinced himself that the "Clemson way" worked because of good people, and that love and togetherness was the secret sauce to our success. While that program culture is certainly important, what I think he underestimated during that period of time was the vitality of having great coaches and elite talent. THAT was the secret sauce.
Putting unqualified coaches such as Goodwin and Conn in such important positions hurt our program, but to Dabo's credit, he admitted wrongdoing in his press conference yesterday.
Luke and Riley both seem to be great hires. I think their hires were also evidence of Dabo's growth as a leader.
Venables and Morris were both excellent hires. Dabo seemed to be hungry then, and perhaps he lost some of that hunger after our high-level success. It seems that he is getting back to that again, and our program will be better for it.
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National Champion [7321]
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Were the Scott and Elliot hires lazy?***
Jan 16, 2025, 8:58 PM
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I got emotional just reading your approval, I couldn't sleep waiting for it***
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:15 AM
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Oh yeah, Wes and Conn were promoted after we won 2 National Championships so I guess you are saying Dabo had no idea what he was doing back then.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Just because they were on staff doesn’t make them qualified to take as big of a job as they took (obviously). That’s like saying let’s promote the intern straight to VP of sales because he was “on the team” when we hit record numbers. Experience as a coordinator matters, and the 2020-2022 hires proved that emphatically.
No OC/DC is going to be a top guy day one on the job. They need to learn their own tendencies, see what works, see what doesn’t, try, fail, try some more. But the place for the bulk of that learning and growth isn’t in Clemson, South Carolina.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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How would you apply your first paragraph to Dabo Swinney when he was hired? According to you, he should have never been hired. I think it is that experience that prompts Dabo to first look inside his own staff and give someone a chance that otherwise would not get it. And as Dabo said, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:32 AM
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Exactly! Not like the folks are walking in off the street. He gets up and comers and surrounds them with good people and when it’s time he promotes. Does it always work? Not exactly, but it just as well could.
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Tiger Titan [48246]
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It could have worked, but it wasn't likely to.
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:48 PM
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Not with Goodwin and Conn.
That should've been painfully obvious to Dabo and anyone else who tried to be sensible and objective.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:46 AM
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I think two things can be true: Dabo was not "qualified" for the HC role based on the first paragraph, but it worked incredibly well for us. At the same time, I think it is fair to say Dabo is the exception and not the rule for that style of hiring practice.
A similar example to me is Tom Brady. Just because Tom Brady played quarterback at a highest level in the NFL until he was 45 doesn't mean every quarterback can do that, (see Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, etc). Just because Dabo did not have any HC or Coordinator experience when he go the HC role doesn't mean everyone can do that.
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Tiger Titan [48246]
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Those decisions should be made with strong consideration for levels of risk.
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:47 PM
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Moreover, how comfortable are you with taking that risk?
When Dabo was hired, he was a big risk. However, he did have quite the job audition when he was interim head coach. In many ways, we knew what we were getting.
With that said, it was still a huge risk, given the fact that Dabo had never even been a coordinator. Clemson weighed the risk, and felt that it was worth it. We were a good but not great program that could not get over the hump and win a conference championship and make the Orange Bowl. Plus, I think Dabo was a risk the administration was willing to take since we had to consider what it would cost to pay Bowden's buyout while also paying the new coach his salary.
In contrast, promoting Goodwin and Conn to roles they never had was far riskier in many ways. Neither had the opportunity to do a working interview as interim DCs. In addition, we also had far more to lose as a program if those hires didn't work out. We were still elite, which of course we were not even close to elite when Dabo took over for Bowden.
It's also important to remember that just because there are rare examples of something working, it does not serve as evidence that it is likely to work again. Dabo's story is incredible, but even he should know that those sorts of stories are very uncommon - and very unlikely to apply to hiring coaches for his team.
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Tiger Titan [48246]
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Promoting Goodwin and Conn was idiotic.
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:41 PM
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He was allowed to make such a drastic move because he had built up credibility from our national championships, but many people (including some astute fans here) knew it was unlikely to work.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:17 AM
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True , it's a start...but I'm also concern about special teams , punter, fg unit , things that cost us games last year...we got a great fg kicker, now coach the team to block for him...What about a punter? He still needs to address some things...
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Tiger Titan [48246]
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Dabo needed to prioritize the DC position, and he did.
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:49 PM
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The other issues you mentioned need to be addressed for sure, but they are farther down the priority list.
I am hopeful that Dabo will address these issues soon.
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Paw Warrior [4609]
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Thanks, JK! Quick question
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When is Brad going to grow into a coach who can actually win our rapidly declining conference? It's been like 15 years. He has 0.
Dabo already has 9.
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Legend [7082]
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Re: Thanks, JK! Quick question
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:25 AM
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in fairness to Brad - how many ACC championships have we won in men's basketball? Seems like he's keeping pace ok.
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We've always been mid, so it's just fine to keep being mid?***
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Legend [7082]
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Re: We've always been mid, so it's just fine to keep being mid?***
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:00 AM
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we're a little more than mid right now, but it took quite some time. Do you really think we'd have been anything but mid over the last 15 years?
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Rival Killer [2663]
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Can you repeat the question?***
Jan 16, 2025, 3:39 PM
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Legend [6869]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:22 AM
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Judge alert
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Orange Elite [5595]
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I think hes definitely learned from his mistakes
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:29 AM
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He obviously has a heart for giving people with potential a chance, because he understands that he was given that type of chance.
He definitely swung the pendulum hard in that direction and it’s bitten him big time.
I think he has come back to reality now, and realizes that his story is not the norm and more often than not, a balance of experience and potential trumps amazing potential without experience.
That all being said, his best hires were Brent Venables and Chad Morris. Those are the 2 guys that got us over the hump and got us playing elite defense and offense.
And I think Matt Luke (if he stays for a few more years will be on that list)
All of these guys brought serious experience to the table.
Jeff Scott and Tony Elliott were the home grown exceptions that gave Dabo that confidence.
They did a great job maintaining the standard, but…
It’s also important to realize that it was Chad Morris’ offensive system and leadership that got us over the hump. And he was able to do it without an OL
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Re: I think hes definitely learned from his mistakes
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:51 AM
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Well said. Much better than what I was trying to convey in my post below. Tony and Jeff had to grow as Dabo said. Good stuff.
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Orange Elite [5595]
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Yeah, thats a good one
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:32 AM
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And I think Terry Don Phillips shares the credit there
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Re: I think hes definitely learned from his mistakes
Jan 16, 2025, 2:03 PM
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“ All of these guys brought serious experience to the table.”
I think CM had one year of college experience when he arrived at Clemson. Everything prior to that one year at Tulsa was HS. Granted, it was Texas high schools.
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Orange Elite [5595]
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You are right, he was only at Tulsa for a year
Jan 18, 2025, 11:53 AM
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But he was at Lake Travis (which has astudent enrollment bigger than many colleges) and was the first coach in history to win 5 straight state championships in the state of Texas.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100748]
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6 PO appearences IAR, 2 NC and the winingest active coach and he's finally...
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decided to straighten up and fly right? Where do you maroons come from?
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Associate AD [1099]
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Re: 6 PO appearences IAR, 2 NC and the winingest active coach and he's finally...
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Please understand this is unfortunately not the same college football as it was when he did all that. Please sir, tell me you understand that?!
Do you?
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110%er [3856]
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What program has risen to the top with NIL and portal?
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:58 AM
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Seems no one new.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100748]
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Top TigerNet [30886]
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IKR, next he'll tell us Elon Musk is growing as a businessman
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Tesla stockholders should be confident in the direction of the company.
Musk should go out try to hire guys like Jeff Bezos and not promote from within. This way he can improve on his $420 billion and become the world's first trillionaire.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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I’m glad he’s done the things he’s done so far, but he needs to do more…IF IF IF, he wants to win big again. There are more coaches that IMO, need to go. Spiller, Grisham, Conn, Pearman. Special teams need to be adressed. Ya know? 7 blocked fgs happened.
There needs to be a few more players from the portal. Mostly defense, as we know, and a RB. The balance of the coaching staff is crazy. Half elite, and half nepo guys.
Thank god he did something. But much more can he done.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:42 AM
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My goodness, this is silly.
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110%er [3856]
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Troll***
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 8:43 AM
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Well said. I thought it was very refreshing to hear Dabo doing some self reflection. I wouldn't say he didn't do a thorough search before. Most programs and good companies do look internal first. He just did it too fast.
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Top TigerNet [32943]
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do you follow Clemson football? I don't think you follow Clemson
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football.
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Legend [6869]
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He gave his own guys a chance and promoted from within
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nothing wrong with that.
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The OP's poast clearly got stuck
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:08 AM
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In his outbox a dozen years ago. Been too busy with hoops nostalgia to notice until now, apparently
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You're right, Bama knew Deboer was only gonna win 9 this year
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:12 AM
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and hired him anyway. What were they thinking? My post makes about as much sense as yours.
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There was a lot wrong with that.
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Jan 16, 2025, 12:54 PM
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It showed a continued pattern of Dabo putting coaches in positions they were not qualified to be in.
One of the most important talents a leader must possess is understanding the skills and talents of those he is in charge of. While Dabo has made some really good hires since becoming a head coach, he has made more bad ones.
It seems that his learning and growing into this important aspect of being a leader, and I think our football program will be better for it.
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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I don't think there has been a shift in our approach to the portal.
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The circumstances changed and triggered a different outcome of the same flow chart.
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Tiger Titan [48246]
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No, Dabo just realized that he couldn't continue doing what he was doing
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if he wanted to get better results.
To his credit, he adapted.
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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But the scholarship situation was actually different. We didn't lack bodies then
Jan 18, 2025, 2:44 PM
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Due to recruiting defections, transfers and roster management we actually had a dire need for a body at DE and WR. The Bama LB fell into our lap apparently.
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Contrasted with you. You seem to have grown and learned absolutely
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nothing.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:04 AM
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Nicely done JK.
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Too many folks are falling for this.
This post is nothing more than a preplanned grin-f’ing. This way he can go about his trolling while pointing to this post as him being level headed and honest. Guaranteed he’s bookmarked it so he can use it later this year during season.
It’s disingenuous glad-handing in hopes people lap it up.
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You really should put me on ignore.***
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Re: You really should put me on ignore.***
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LMFAO I think I touched a nerve for pulling back the curtain on your schtick. Why would I put you on ignore.
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Tiger Titan [48246]
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My posts clearly bother you.
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Jan 16, 2025, 3:21 PM
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You frequently respond with what appears to be anger and negativity. It’s not worth your peace, man.
I truly believe Dabo is learning and growing. We should all be proud of him!
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Game Day Hero [4479]
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Re: My posts clearly bother you.
Jan 16, 2025, 3:32 PM
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Clearly you are reading it the voice you want to hear it in, and you'd be wrong. Try reading in a "matter of fact" voice and then you'll get how its intended.
It seems you're mad that you can no longer bookmark this to pull out in a few months to say something along the lines of "See I gave him credit and I am fair"
Its transparent.
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Paw Warrior [4653]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Once again no one takes anything you say seriously.
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I suspect he is grateful for your support and patience
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as he evolves from being just a two-time national champion in what is without a doubt the most challenging era of college football, into being a three- or maybe even four- or five- or six-time national champion.
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TigerNet Icon [162658]
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Agree, let's hope other Clemson coaches will do the same and bring us
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:16 AM
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ACC Championships in other sports where we have yet to experience.
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110%er [3856]
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Don't forget: These other Clemson coaches are fighting an uphill battle
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:19 AM
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against poor funding, outdated facilities, lack of fan support, lack of administrative support, lack of everything, really.
Bottomline - It's absolutely not their fault.
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Game Changer [1666]
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Re: Don't forget: These other Clemson coaches are fighting an uphill battle
Jan 16, 2025, 2:11 PM
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You left out pep bands.
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Campus Hero [13959]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:21 AM
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Most of always had confidence and new he would adapt and that the situation was fluid. It still is. Glad you finally came onboard though.
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Tiger Titan [48246]
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Yes, the homers have been assuring us for several years now
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Jan 16, 2025, 1:03 PM
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that Dabo would adapt.
It's sad that it has taken him so long to do it, especially since plenty of other coaches were more proactive and flexible.
Nonetheless, he is growing and evolving as a leader and these recent changes are great examples of it.
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Campus Hero [13959]
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Re: Yes, the homers have been assuring us for several years now
Jan 16, 2025, 7:48 PM
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The "homers" were right, and in the other hand, you were clueless. That's cool though. You have taken a lot of unnecessary abuse for your support of CBB and you were right about him. I was usually with you with him though.
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Game Day Hero [4308]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
Jan 16, 2025, 12:40 PM
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What would we even do without JK? I love the controversy
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Orange Beast [6387]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
Jan 16, 2025, 12:52 PM
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I can’t believe the Judge in saying something positive about Dabo. I only think he or she is trying to throw us off. Now that Brownell is doing well I hear very little about the BB situation. If there was ever a troll on this board Judge you are the one👍
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Tiger Spirit [9836]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 1:00 PM
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You are talking about Dabo like he's this naive young coach that's trying to "figure it all out"
Dabo has 2 National Championships, 9 ACC championships and multiple Head Coach of the Year awards
Be a little more respectful
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Game Changer [1666]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 2:15 PM
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JK believes everything he thinks about himself.
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Legend [6929]
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Varsity [149]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 2:30 PM
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It’s a good thing that your opinion is just that and nothing more.
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Game Changer [1663]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 7:44 PM
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You're pathetic
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Commissioner [1233]
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Re: Dabo is growing as a program leader right before our eyes.
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Jan 16, 2025, 9:25 PM
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Maybe he’ll win a conference or even a national championship some day.
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