|
I'm Throwing This Out Re. BV vs Wes
|
Replies: 36
| visibility 5351
|
Ultimate Tiger [33208]
TigerPulse: 100%
56
Posts: 17049
Joined: 2008
|
I'm Throwing This Out Re. BV vs Wes
10
10
Dec 26, 2024, 9:03 PM
|
|
As DC.
BV WAS a workaholic. A great recruiter, motivator and teacher. He was in the game on the sidelines more than any coach on the field. He knew every single offensive play being called by both teams better than the OC's. He had to know in order to defend it.
Our offense knew he knew the offensive plays and when they did not execute, he knew it. Knowing that, I think made them play better and give more effort.
The defensive players knew he was watching every play and knew that he knew when they were not making the plays and BV was calling them out and was so into the game he had to have a git back coach to keep him off the field.
He was a lightning rod on the sidelines. And you can bet he was the same during practice. When he left, that intensity left with him. Wes comes no where near that intensity. BV could make in game adjustments because he was always 💯 in the game. It just was part of his coaching.
There will never be another BV at Clemson. If we could get him and that fire back, we would be in the natty hunt again on a regular basis. Defensive recruiting would pick back up again.
I get down just thinking of what we lost when he left.
|
|
|
|
 |
National Champion [7411]
TigerPulse: 96%
42
|
Glory Days
2
Dec 26, 2024, 9:12 PM
|
|
I grew up my whole life hearing about 1981 ...
Brent brought it all back.
|
|
|
|
|
|
National Champion [7411]
TigerPulse: 96%
42
|
Dabo has been the head coach my entire adult life down to the year
4
5
5
Dec 26, 2024, 9:13 PM
|
|
Brent Venables was the coach that made the dynasty happen. Dabo is a 3-4 loss per year coach.
I'm sorry. this is just data driven too
Go Tigers
|
|
|
|
|
|
National Champion [7986]
TigerPulse: 100%
42
|
Re: Dabo has been the head coach my entire adult life down to the year
6
6
Dec 26, 2024, 9:50 PM
|
|
Ah, this explains a lot about you.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Valley Protector [1442]
TigerPulse: 83%
29
|
Re: Dabo has been the head coach my entire adult life down to the year
Dec 27, 2024, 12:12 AM
|
|
That he makes good points? The evidence so far proves him right, and we have a pretty large sample size.
|
|
|
|
|
|
1st Rounder [676]
TigerPulse: 99%
21
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Pro [717]
TigerPulse: 92%
22
|
Re: Dabo has been the head coach my entire adult life down to the year
2
Dec 27, 2024, 7:23 AM
[ in reply to Dabo has been the head coach my entire adult life down to the year ] |
|
Like that fine dynasty he is building in Oklahoma? Love BV, but the Clemson run wasn’t about a single person. It was a situation that was greater than the sum of its parts.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Valley Protector [1442]
TigerPulse: 83%
29
|
Re: Dabo has been the head coach my entire adult life down to the year
Dec 27, 2024, 10:34 AM
|
|
Not a good take. A very stupid one. He was the best defensive coordinator in the country. The skills necessary for that position are not the same ones necessary to be the best head coach. You're attacking a straw man.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Paw Master [17471]
TigerPulse: 100%
51
Posts: 15405
Joined: 1999
|
You can watch BV and his 6-loss team play Navy at noon today
Dec 27, 2024, 8:17 AM
[ in reply to Dabo has been the head coach my entire adult life down to the year ] |
|
I love the guy, and agree with your post somewhat, but Venables alone cannot make a team a winner. He was a critically important piece of what happened here for a period of years, but he was only one piece. I think he understands that now, too.
I will be pulling for him this afternoon.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Immortal [60965]
TigerPulse: 100%
60
Posts: 61836
Joined: 2007
|
Re: Glory Days
2
Dec 26, 2024, 10:25 PM
[ in reply to Glory Days ] |
|
BV was the most intensed coach that I've ever seen in my lifetime and he knew exactly wat he was doing. Most all of his blitz packages, our opponents never knew where they were coming from and that alone made their offense little slower to develop. IMHO, BV was worth every dime of the 2 mil he was being paid and more. I truly hope to one day see him back on the sidelines at Clemson. Like I've said, he was the best I've ever seen!!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Tiger Spirit [9275]
TigerPulse: 75%
44
Posts: 19378
Joined: 2009
|
What about the beautifully designed coverage
1
Dec 27, 2024, 8:50 AM
|
|
That allowed Tiger pick for 6 within two minutes of national championship game against Alabama? That was absolutely awesome!
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [10915]
TigerPulse: 98%
45
Posts: 13295
Joined: 2021
|
BV became available due to rare circumstance
4
Dec 26, 2024, 9:25 PM
|
|
Bob Stoops fired him after OK had a (for them) a poor year from defense’s performance.
Dabo scooped him up.
BV isn’t returning to Clemson as a DC again. One of these days, this fantasy will die.
The trick is to be attentive for other cases in which a lower profile school fires a mediicre HC that was a superb DC before gett8ngnhis shot as a HC.
We’ll see in the near future how many lower profile schools fire their HC … I.e., their HC who was reknown for his defensive coaching skills. Then it might get interesting.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Top TigerNet [29954]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 36634
Joined: 2000
|
I didn't think he was fired
16
16
Dec 26, 2024, 9:27 PM
|
|
Wasn't the deal that Stoops made his brother the co-DC and so BV moved on?
Or am I completely misremembering that?
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3735]
TigerPulse: 100%
35
|
Correct. He was not fired. Stoops named his brother as
5
5
Dec 26, 2024, 9:34 PM
|
|
Co-DC.
If my memory serves me right, I think there was a time when BV was considered a candidate for the Dabo’s position before we ultimately offered it to Dabo. Seems like I remember his name on the short list at the time???
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Immortal [60965]
TigerPulse: 100%
60
Posts: 61836
Joined: 2007
|
Re: Correct. He was not fired. Stoops named his brother as
1
Dec 26, 2024, 10:30 PM
|
|
I followed that situation on here pretty close, and I never BV's name mentioned before Dabo was hired. I think that the minute that T D Phillips made Dabo interim HC, it was a done deal that were going to give him a chance as HC!!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Associate AD [1074]
TigerPulse: 100%
25
|
|
|
|
|
|
Playmaker [393]
TigerPulse: 90%
16
|
He absolutely was not. The only one missing facts
Dec 26, 2024, 9:45 PM
[ in reply to I didn't think he was fired ] |
|
Is the prev poster and that ridiculous statement
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ultimate Clemson Legend [98635]
TigerPulse: 100%
64
Posts: 47942
Joined: 2009
|
No better DC in my 66 yrs of watching CU FB than BV!
4
Dec 26, 2024, 9:57 PM
|
|
As the original poster said, BV was an extraordinary coach and controlled every phase of the game with knowledge & INTENSITY..
And I loved to watch his expressions and reactions concerning his players actions.
What energy and concentration!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Associate AD [1018]
TigerPulse: 90%
25
|
|
|
|
|
|
National Champion [7320]
TigerPulse: 100%
42
|
Google is your friend
3
Dec 26, 2024, 9:56 PM
[ in reply to BV became available due to rare circumstance ] |
|
In January 2012, after it was announced that Mike Stoops would be returning to Oklahoma to resume the defensive coordinator position he had held until 2004, Venables accepted the position of defensive coordinator at Clemson
|
|
|
|
|
|
National Champion [8048]
TigerPulse: 100%
42
Posts: 15960
Joined: 2001
|
He was resuming as co-DC. Venables left
Dec 26, 2024, 10:41 PM
|
|
for Clemson instead of being co-DC with Stoops for the 2012 season. BVs defense was coming off a 2011 season where it ranked 55th.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2354]
TigerPulse: 97%
32
|
|
|
|
|
|
Valley Legend [12613]
TigerPulse: 100%
47
|
Re: BV became available due to rare circumstance
1
Dec 27, 2024, 9:54 AM
[ in reply to BV became available due to rare circumstance ] |
|
That’s not the whole truth. Bob didn’t fire him. Bob wanted his brother Mark to run the defense and made him cocoordinator with BV. It wasn’t poor performance. It was more nepotism. Which sunk Stoops. Sound familiar?!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [1254]
TigerPulse: 100%
27
|
Re: BV became available due to rare circumstance
Dec 27, 2024, 10:59 AM
[ in reply to BV became available due to rare circumstance ] |
|
Wrong, Brent was not fired. Bob Stoops brought in his brother because he got fired from his coaching job and made them co-defensive coordinators at Oklahoma. Clemson also doubled Brent’s salary.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [56845]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 17042
Joined: 2020
|
Re: I'm Throwing This Out Re. BV vs Wes
4
Dec 26, 2024, 11:20 PM
|
|
Yep, he could truly feel the game. I think the fans fed off it too. Big difference between analyzing the game and making split second reactions. Somehow he taught (or recruited) players that just didn't defend the opponent, but to anticipate the opponent. Sometimes the player and he gambled and got burnt, but not often.
I also think Conn has a part in this too. I don't know anything about the DC at vandy, but he almost pulled off the upset over Texas and did pull it off with Bama.
To me, that's what sets BV apart. He knew every players strength and weaknesses but he would scheme around it. He pulled off a minor miracle at osu 19. I still think that's the best osu team day ever had. LSU would have beat them, but we didn't have the Jimmy and Joe's BV had previously. We were in transition that year but our guys still did it.
Wes May get another year. I'm not in the locker room but something seems wrong. Nil may be some of it, but our good players that's left on defense have alluded to comments that make you think.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Varsity [111]
TigerPulse: 42%
11
|
Wes appears to be forgetting all he learned from BV***
1
Dec 26, 2024, 11:33 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3624]
TigerPulse: 89%
35
|
Re: I'm Throwing This Out Re. BV vs Wes
1
1
Dec 27, 2024, 12:41 AM
|
|
My Bad , I actually thought this maybe some real analysis and actual comparison of #s.
Nah just a romanticized I’ll informed rant.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Icon [25769]
TigerPulse: 100%
54
Posts: 15657
Joined: 2004
|
BV excelled in the Clemson environment . As for Okl, the jury is still out.***
1
Dec 27, 2024, 5:31 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Heisman Winner [82275]
TigerPulse: 100%
62
Posts: 37934
Joined: 2003
|
BV's defenses at Oklahoma certainly have not been anything to write home about.
Dec 27, 2024, 8:56 AM
|
|
Sometimes you just can't duplicate a perfect set of circumstances. Take Saint Danniford for instance. He was having sustained success at Clemson. He gets fired, and eventually winds up as Head Coach at Arkansas. Now, on the face of it, it should have been just as easy, if not easier, to recruit and have success at Arky, but for whatever reason, success never happened. At least, nothing remotely approaching his success at Clemson.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3842]
TigerPulse: 94%
35
|
I will say this though. Part of what made Brent so good was Wes Goodwin being
1
Dec 27, 2024, 6:02 AM
|
|
up in the booth talking in Brent’s ear.
I think putting Wes back in the booth would be great. Just don’t know if he’d go for that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3262]
TigerPulse: 100%
34
|
Re: I'm Throwing This Out Re. BV vs Wes
1
Dec 27, 2024, 6:05 AM
|
|
Lol you're high.... Venables ain't ever coming back, go find another replacement!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [1662]
TigerPulse: 86%
31
|
Re: I'm Throwing This Out Re. BV vs Wes
1
Dec 27, 2024, 6:42 AM
|
|
Yawn
rinse, repeat, regurgitate
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ring of Honor [23815]
TigerPulse: 100%
53
Posts: 24362
Joined: 2003
|
Venables was a once in a lifetime blessing. Hes the greatest of all-time.
1
Dec 27, 2024, 8:09 AM
|
|
I don’t blame Wes for not being BV. Nor do I blame his replacement. While we won’t find another BV we do need more energy and more manly leadership. Wes does not have any gravitas whatsoever. He is just too “happy to be along for the ride” in his personality regardless of his intelligence. We need forceful characters AND intelligence.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Athletic Dir [1118]
TigerPulse: 100%
26
|
Re: I'm Throwing This Out Re. BV vs Wes
Dec 27, 2024, 8:54 AM
|
|
Brent was an amazing DC. He brought intensity and tenacity to the program. Since he left, our defense has been lacking both. We may still have the talent, but we don't have the depth or the intensity it took to play under Brent Venables.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ultimate Clemson Legend [98635]
TigerPulse: 100%
64
Posts: 47942
Joined: 2009
|
Bottom line is D rankings & wins..
Dec 27, 2024, 9:07 AM
|
|
And BV’s record is way better vs Wes..and not even close!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Top TigerNet [32248]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 18344
Joined: 2008
|
Re: I'm Throwing This Out Re. BV vs Wes
Dec 27, 2024, 12:44 PM
|
|
One was a LEADER of men. The other is not.
It's that simple.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Offensive Star [310]
TigerPulse: 90%
15
|
Re: I'm Throwing This Out Re. BV vs Wes
Dec 27, 2024, 12:52 PM
|
|
If BV were let go from OU (he has at least one more year). I’m not sure that he would return to coaching right away. His wife is sick and I think he would spend time with her. Just my 2¢
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 36
| visibility 5351
|
|
|
|
50
