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Dabo and NIL
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Dabo and NIL

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:02 PM
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First let me say I appreciate everything Dabo has done for Clemson up to this point. He will go down as one of the best ever and definitely the best Clemson has ever had. I understand Dabo's stance on the NIL and the portal. I also understand the frustration a lot of us are all feeling with his stubbornness. But one thing I cannot understand are the fans that blindly back him and believe he does nothing wrong. This man earns $11.5 million annually and he doesn't want to pay players, but he wants to be compensated like he is competing for National Championships. Make that make sense. I understand its unrealistic to think we can win the Natty every year. But he is the 2nd highest paid CFB coach. His compensation should match the expectations which would be competing for the playoffs and the natty.

How can a man who makes $11.5 million a year say he doesn't want to pay players to come to Clemson when everyone in the country does it? I think its a bit hypocritical to say we won't pay you, but meanwhile he's the highest earning public employee in the State. The players are the product. Not Dabo. While I don't agree with NIL in its current form, it is what is and we all have to accept it. If he is uncomfortable with the current environment in CFB, he may want to think about an early retirement.

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:08 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong, but if we are going to pay players an insane amount of money, they have to stick around and earn it. Dabo has earned his. And I believe Beamer is the highest paid state employee and not Dabo.

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This is exactly why the ncaa just needs to allow pay for play


Sep 6, 2024, 1:09 PM
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And contracts.

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Re: Dabo and NIL

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:56 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo and NIL ]
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This is Clemson they don’t have Texas money you find the money then what you say is valid

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Re: Dabo and NIL

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Sep 6, 2024, 3:17 PM
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Don’t kid yourself. We found the money to build some of the best facilities in the nation. If we have the will, we find the way.

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Wrong and wrong.

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Sep 6, 2024, 3:39 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo and NIL ]
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Dabo is the highest state employee
He makes North of $11 million annually.

Beaners new contract gives him 6.125 million.

We don't pay players. The NIL collectives do. Dabo refuses to coordinate with them to get them here in the first place, so the best ones go elsewhere...and it shows.

That gets exacerbated when we lose 14 "developed" guys to the portal and they get up front NIL at the competition.

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Wrong....


Sep 6, 2024, 3:45 PM
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CDS is nowhere near the top, while Beamer is third:

https://www.admin.sc.gov/transparency/state-salaries?agency=All&job=All&firstname=&lastname=&page=0

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Dude, Dabo's well published compensation is north of $11 million.


Sep 6, 2024, 4:29 PM
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Around $10.8 million in base salary, more in bonuses and perks.

Beamers salary and compensation are 't close.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/highest-paid-college-football-coaches/#:~:text=College%20football%20coaches%20at%20prominent,of%20the%20team's%20total%20revenue!

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Re: Wrong....


Sep 6, 2024, 4:37 PM [ in reply to Wrong.... ]
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Yea, according to this, I make more than Dabo. My house vs his house says that is a lie!

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Re: Wrong and wrong.

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Sep 6, 2024, 4:14 PM [ in reply to Wrong and wrong. ]
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My question about the portal is this: how do you figure we lost 14 “developed” players to the portal when we apparently cannot “develop” ANYONE??? How many of these were actually contributing to Clemson’s success on the field. That is what we need to look at, not sheer numbers. I know we lost a couple of decent ones, but most were either never going to get to play at Clemson or were buried in the depth. One moved back close to home. Collins may have been one of the exceptions, but he dropped way too many balls! DJU was a joke & FSU is stuck with him, so I think portal is a 2 edged sword. Don’t get me wrong, the portal could be used to improve any current year, but it is not sustainable. If you don’t believe me ask Norvell & Prime. They went to the extreme in portal and it appears to have bitten them in the butt more than Dabo not using it. We would be fine if we replaced the wannabes with experienced coaches like the O-line & DE coaches we hired.

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Well, Dabo claims that he wants to "develop" plsyers


Sep 6, 2024, 4:30 PM
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...instead of using the portal to get experienced guys.

So he loses them instead.

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Re: Dabo and NIL

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:08 PM
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Dabo has no problem with NIL. Never has. We are one of the top programs in Terms of NIL. His issues are with doing things illegally.

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:09 PM
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Apparently, we don't offer NIL to guys out of high school. It's only used to retain players.

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:42 PM
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There is only so much money. If Ohio State has $20m and FSU $12m how much do you think we have to play with?

Maybe we can hold on to proven players or you can use to bring in new guys, but not both.

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Sep 6, 2024, 4:01 PM
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We really don't have anyone on the offensive side of the ball worth holding onto.

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That would be illegal***


Sep 6, 2024, 3:08 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo and NIL ]
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No, it isn't. Where have you been since 2020?******

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no, that's not only it........

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:15 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo and NIL ]
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He refuses to "LEAD" with NIL. He will NOT offer a PORTAL or HS player NIL upfront......only current players.


so in theory last off season Grayson McCall (or insert other example) was not worth any upfront NIL offer to entice him, but Cade is worth whatever he's getting.............it makes PERFECT sense.

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Re: no, that's not only it........

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:22 PM
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Yeah, hitching his wagon to Klubnik was a huge mistake. I was very disappointed we did not go after a proven QB like McCall.

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Nothing since 1969

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Sep 6, 2024, 2:04 PM
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.

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Re: no, that's not only it........

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:26 PM [ in reply to no, that's not only it........ ]
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If Cade is being paid for what he has accomplished, I'd say $19.99 per game is about right.

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Sep 6, 2024, 3:07 PM [ in reply to no, that's not only it........ ]
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Leasing with NIL is illegal. It is against the rules to use NIL to recruit either HS or portal. It’s being done sure but it’s illegal. That was the premise of my comment.

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Wrong. It's perfectly legal.

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Sep 6, 2024, 3:47 PM
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That rule you cite was the actual illegality.
It violates the Interstate Commerce Act and the Sherman Antitrust Act.

The injunction in the Tennessee and Virginia AG's case vs the NCAA enjoins the NCAA from restricting or interfering with NIL in any way.

The NCAA went after the University of Tennessee for Spyre Sports using NIL to help get Nico Iamaleava to Knoxville.

They got smacked down in federal court.

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Dabo doesnt lead with NIL because thats illegal.


Sep 6, 2024, 3:15 PM [ in reply to no, that's not only it........ ]
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Coaches nor universities can offer NIL.

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Silly. They aren't NIL collectives.


Sep 6, 2024, 3:48 PM
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Your comment is like saying that non astronauts don't go to outer space.

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Nah, I think my broader point is that CFB head coaches don't negotiate

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Sep 6, 2024, 3:57 PM
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NIL deals anymore than Andy Reid negotiates contracts.

But dumb tiger fans be all like MANE DABO WONT USE INN EYE ELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's about like saying Andy Reid cut Cornell Powell because Andy Reid didn't want to pay him.

Call it semantics if you want, just stick to the facts please.

Also, much (if not most) of NIL deals are done by player agents with non University entities...so again, not Dabo's call to offer or not offer DJU a Dr Pepper or Bojangles deal for example. In fact, it's not even Dabo's business anymore than it is yours.

I swear I think half of our fanbase thinks we should have gone to the portal on Monday to get a QB replacement for Cade before this weekend. Again, not how this works.

Anyhow, negative away! I'm sure it makes for a great Friday afternoon.

Go Tigers!

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That's delusional.


Sep 6, 2024, 4:33 PM
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Again, the rule you cite is what is illegal and obsolete. That's why the NCAA doesn't enforce it.

That's why the NCAA has a federal injunction preventing them from enforcing in any way.

What you call "negative" is actually "reality".

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:38 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo and NIL ]
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This is quite the "Babe in the Woods" mentality. It is the wild west out there. There is no enforcement. If you have a law on the books that is NEVER enforced and there is no mechanism to enforce it, there is no law. Coaching staffs and athletic departments of top programs work behind the scenes with their 3rd party deep pocket boosters/collectives to buy players with private money. This is 2024 reality. When these players are bot, there are contracts executed for the acquisition of intellectual property rights supposedly bot from the player that can then be exploited by the buyer. In most cases, the details of the transaction are all a farce. It is the modus operandi of delivering coin in a pay for play situation. If you (service academies don't really count because of their distinct mission outside of football) are the only team not adjusting to that reality, please reference the dodo. We are already on this path and reaping the rewards of these decisions over the last 4 years.

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There is no "illegally". The NCAA doesn't make laws


Sep 6, 2024, 3:41 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo and NIL ]
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They have rules. Lots of there rules were "doing things illegally". Sone, like the so called "tampering" true still are. That's why the NCAA doesn't even try to enforce it. They are tired of getting their azzes beaten in court.

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:30 PM
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spot on

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:33 PM
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Have you ever stopped to think that just because you think Dabo could wave a magic wand that portal players would start falling from the sky? This isn't Oprah..."you get money, and you, and you get money, everyone gets money..." To give money you have to have it. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but CU, it's boosters, sponsors, whatever you want to call it doesn't have the clout that other top schools have. CU doesn't have a Phil Knight, oil barons from Texas, country musicians in Georgia, Tennessee, etc., or billionaire lawyers just handing out money. Dabo would like to use the portal and NIL if he had the juice and it's done the right way. The difference makers in the portal are bought and paid for before they enter the portal. They're basically free agents. The portal entry is a formality. He's not going to waste $$$ on a player that could possibly come in and poison the locker room or team chemistry.

I'll leave you with this...I had a conversation with someone very knowledgeable, with ties close to the program, very close, tell me and a few others CU wanted an olineman and they offered him NIL for around $50k. Notre Dame came in with $125k. Guess where that kid decided to go. In this wolrd we live in now of instant gratification its get what you can, while you can. Hopefully Dabo can weather the storm.

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Top money schools is one thing.

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Sep 6, 2024, 2:47 PM
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Losing out to Georgia tech, UNC, nc state, Virginia, Arkansas, etc… is another and inexcusable. We have the 2nd-3rd highest paid coach in America. I don’t wanna hear the “Clemson has no money” sob story.

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Re: Top money schools is one thing.

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Sep 6, 2024, 3:03 PM
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pheebo said:

Losing out to Georgia tech, UNC, nc state, Virginia, Arkansas, etc… is another and inexcusable. We have the 2nd-3rd highest paid coach in America. I don’t wanna hear the “Clemson has no money” sob story.


Not just Clemson the university, but Clemson the city. Atlanta, Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill, Fayetville, Charlottesville are all much lager cities with more businesses (NIL opportunities) than Clemson. There are no big auto dealers handing out autos in Clemson.

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Sep 6, 2024, 2:55 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo and NIL ]
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Have you ever stopped to think that just because you think Dabo could wave a magic wand that portal players would start falling from the sky? This isn't Oprah..."you get money, and you, and you get money, everyone gets money..." To give money you have to have it. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but CU, it's boosters, sponsors, whatever you want to call it doesn't have the clout that other top schools have. CU doesn't have a Phil Knight, oil barons from Texas, country musicians in Georgia, Tennessee, etc., or billionaire lawyers just handing out money. Dabo would like to use the portal and NIL if he had the juice and it's done the right way. The difference makers in the portal are bought and paid for before they enter the portal. They're basically free agents. The portal entry is a formality. He's not going to waste $$$ on a player that could possibly come in and poison the locker room or team chemistry.

I'll leave you with this...I had a conversation with someone very knowledgeable, with ties close to the program, very close, tell me and a few others CU wanted an olineman and they offered him NIL for around $50k. Notre Dame came in with $125k. Guess where that kid decided to go. In this wolrd we live in now of instant gratification its get what you can, while you can. Hopefully Dabo can weather the storm.



B - I - N - G - O

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Sep 6, 2024, 1:42 PM
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Question, do you get paid for what you do or what you know? Question, where have you ever heard that Dabo does not like NIL? Question, have you donated to the Clemson Collective? The problem with most of these kind of posts is they do not separate NIL from the Portal. The law approved by Congress says that every athlete in every sport is entitled to be paid thru NIL. Every coach, including Dabo, understands NIL and the reason for it. The issue is not with Dabo, Brownell, Bakich, Noonan or any other coach, the issue is they have to compete against schools with more money in their NIL Collectives than we have. Don't condemn Dabo or any other coach, write a check.

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Sep 6, 2024, 4:00 PM
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Dabo said he would no longer be a coach the moment players were paid. Here is his quote: “We try to teach our guys, use football to create the opportunities, take advantage of the platform and the brand and the marketing you have available to you. But as far as paying players, and professionalizing college athletics, that’s where you lose me. I’ll go do something else because there’s enough entitlement in this world as it is,” - DABO

What he says isn't wrong. But now players are being paid and he doesn't like being criticized for how his team is performing. I'm not saying I expect Clemson to have the absolute best class out there. But to say we will not use NIL to bring players to Clemson via portal of HS recruits is not sustainable for his coaching future or Clemson. If that is the case, Clemson should drop the lawsuit against the ACC now because there is no point of getting out with Dabo's mindset. I don't support the portal, but competing with one arm behind your back meanwhile everyone else outside of ARMY, NAVY, and AIR Force are using all of the tools available is asinine. I also clearly understand Clemson doesn't have the base for NIL like the Texas' of the world.

Actually the whole point of my post has been missed. He is paid and will be paid like he is competing for championships. I don't see the offensive side of ball improving anytime soon and it may only get worse announcing to world your approach to recruiting and portal use. So welcome to a new era of Clemson football with the 2nd highest paid coach in the country. This appears that this will be the new norm. We can't even develop 2 and 3 star kids anymore. We take 4 and 5 stars and make them look like 0 and 1 stars.

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Why don't we assemble a 20 million dollar roster like Ohio State? Then


Sep 6, 2024, 1:50 PM
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everything will be fixed.

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Re: Dabo and NIL

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Sep 6, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Cade has won 2 bowl games

What have any of you done that even comes close to what he has done for Clemson

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Hes 1-1 in bowl games***

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Re: Hes 1-1 in bowl games***


Sep 6, 2024, 3:13 PM
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and an ACC Championship

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Having principles is not stubbornness.


Sep 6, 2024, 3:15 PM
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Hope that helps.

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It is absolutely hypocritical******


Sep 6, 2024, 3:34 PM
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