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College football broken? I have an idea.
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Jan 14, 2024, 2:36 PM
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Go back to the way it was. No portal or NIl, less bowls, maybe an eighth team playoff, if you transfer, you sat out a year. It'll cut down hearing the announcers say "he's a transfer from blank school" etc. The student/athlete chose the school based off of their recruiting or followed their heart and not the money. I also miss the days where you didn't know where some of the top recruits were going until NSD. Those days were fun, exciting and nerve racking.
To me, that's the college football I truly miss.
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Jan 14, 2024, 2:42 PM
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Yep. I remember these big recruiting weekends in January. Couldn't wait for the 11pm news on Sunday to see if anyone committed.
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:00 PM
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The problem with nil and tp is they already opened it they may be able to take back tp but they can’t take back nil. They can regulate both much harsher(and they should) but to pull nil away now would prob be a legal mess.
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All progress involves Change…not all change is Progress
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Re: College football broken? I have an idea.
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:11 PM
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The idea is to accept that things change and from time to time, somebody moves the cheese. Accept, adjust and move on.
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Re: College football broken? I have an idea.
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:24 PM
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I'll adjust and move on, but I'll never accept it. If I break a dish, I throw it away and get another one. Allegiance to a team is going to be a thing of the past for the younger generation.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: College football broken? I have an idea.
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:51 PM
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Yep. I remember when NFL players routinely stayed with one team the majority of their careers. That changed many years ago and I don’t have the same loyalty as a fan to any NFL team as I did in those days. College football is headed the same way.
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Jan 15, 2024, 10:18 AM
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There is an evolution of sorts in regards to change. Then there are those times when change is thrust upon us. That makes it harder to accept. We haven't had time (and still not sure what's going on) to adjust or accept these changes. The problem we face is age old. How can we change something and yet have it be as it once was? Well, we can't.
As far as team allegiance is concerned, I have said all along that I'm a Clemson fan regardless of who is on the field. I've been one before Dabo and TL and DW and will be one as they become a faint memory.
I still enjoy the spectacle of the college game. The fans, the bands, the tailgates. As long as they don't find a way to take that away I'm good.
As far as the NFL is concerned, I would say that unless you live in a city or area that has a franchise, team allegiance went out the window when fantasy leagues became popular. "fans" became less interested in THE team, only "their" team.
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Legend [6633]
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Re: College football broken? I have an idea.
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Jan 15, 2024, 5:36 PM
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I always think it is hilarious when liberals attempt to embrace capitalism! They don't understand it, and only like it when they are the ones who benefit!
The current system only favors players...the schools get screwed. Many of the players that don't pan out get screwed. In the past, if a player did not perform (and if you had a good coach (not Saban or Smart types), they could stay and get their education. Now? They transfer out because they think they may have a chance to play for someone else. The new system allows the coaches who don't care about players to tell them they will not be on the team the next year so they can transfer...and the coaches can restock!
This system allows players to break promises that were made by both sides when they "committed". This system reinforces poor sportsmanship and lack of integrity.
If this was true capitalism, then none of the transfers would be picked up from the portal, because the teams could not trust them. Maybe those who graduate? But even then, probably not. This is the reason pro teams look at attitudes and character before the draft. Sure, some of them take chances on players who only think of themselves, but they rarely pan out and are traded even when they play well on the field (locker room problems, anyone?).
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Jan 15, 2024, 9:08 PM
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Valley coot, good for a laugh a day!!! 🤣
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Paw Master [16322]
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Re: College football broken? I have an idea.
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:15 PM
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I miss the old world of college football too.
But NIL is the law of the land and has nothing at all to do with the NCAA or what the colleges want.
You cannot restrict what an athlete does to make money off his name,image and likeness. 4 and 5 star recruits can make money off the fame they have.
It would be nice if the colleges all quit fronting NIL money with donations from supplies. But Shipoltes shows the sort of thing that would be illegal to prohibit. The Dr. Pepper ads show what NIL can and should do.
The real fact is that most players NIL have near zero value. EVERYONE has created their own sources of contributions to fund the players even while the player has not much real market presence.
I did not like free agency when it hit baseball back in the Curt Flood era. But until Curt Flood baseball players were drastically underpaid. The talent that drives the sport should make money from the sport, or so I think. If Clemson and everyone else decided today and forever to only grant scholarships and let the market do what it wants it would suit me But that does not seem to be possible. Mr. Yellow Wood, the Miami billionaire and BC Inabinet way back when are hard types to control.
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I like all of your ideas, and will expand on one of them.
What if NIL money could only be discussed/offered to an ENROLLED student AFTER they complete ONE FULL YEAR at THAT university?
That would reduce (but not eliminate) its value as a recruiting tool to HS students. You could still allow kids to transfer, but they're not getting NIL money at the new school until they've been there a year.
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:35 PM
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People seems to think the colleges can say "YOU CANNOT MAKE NIL MONEY UNTIL......" But that is illegal.
PERIOD. It has nothing to do with what anyone in college sports wants to happen. And this has zero to do with liberal or conservative this or that.
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Actually you can.
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Jan 15, 2024, 6:36 AM
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There should be contracts where the player is paid until the end of the contract. Player is paid X after being enrolled at Clemson for 1 year, Y for 2 years, Z for 3 years and remaining on the team all 3 seasons.
To protect the player you can also put some conditions allowing the player to unilaterally cancel, buyout options, etc.
If they are going to be professional players may as well treat them like professionals and have professional type contacts. Pay them per game or per year, but the player has to do their part also to get paid.
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Re: Actually you can.
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How does that get around NIL? Pro players are under contract but still earn through endorsements.
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Re: Actually you can.
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Theoretically the NIL collectives could offer structured contracts paid out over time and based on “incentives” (ie staying) where the amount of years you stay determines the amount they get, essentially turning them into a playing contract. However they’d all have to make a back room deal on this to make it standard, otherwise nobody will want to ink the 3-4 year deal when everyone else is 1 and done
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Re: College football broken? I have an idea.
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:20 PM
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The liberals got what they wanted and destroyed the game. I'll still watch it, but I don't care about it like I did before. Whatever...
Go Tigers!!!
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The game destroyed itself out of greed
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:26 PM
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It's been all about money for a long time now. Everybody getting rich off the sport except the athletes themselves was never going to last.
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Re: The game destroyed itself out of greed
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I know what your saying is the way it is, but it breeds ill content and laziness just like welfare.
If they're going to pay them, then they need to have incentives built into the contract. You don't perform, and your pay doesn't increase. You can also get fired. If they're going to pay them like a job then treat it like a job.
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The NCAA would if they could
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:23 PM
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but the courts have made it clear that's not going to happen. I'm not sure exactly what the answer is, but it probably involves making them employees and having them sign contracts to cut down on the chaos.
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Re: The NCAA would if they could
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:31 PM
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That didn't work with the coaches, and I don't think it would work with the players either. There's a lot of money out there to be thrown around.
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:27 PM
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Yes, and only one transfer permitted during lifetime of college football career!
Better yet, eliminate nil entirely because there are too many opportunities which might go undiscovered within that system for schools and boosters to violate! Safely puts all schools on the same playing field!
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Agreed, playing college football is a privilege. If you don’t want to sit out a year then don’t transfer or don’t play. It’s really simple
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:46 PM
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People on this site are to worried about nil and transfer portal. I take it you still watch the games and go to them once in awhile. Nobody should whine just enjoy the games.
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Whining? I consider this a discussion
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Jan 15, 2024, 7:54 PM
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You can point out flaws and have discussions on how to make improvements without it being whining.
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There has to be some genius out there who can come up with a solution
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:47 PM
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much better than the disorganized mess that is currently called college football.
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Re: College football broken? I have an idea.
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Jan 14, 2024, 3:48 PM
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Only way it changes is if the monies dry up. That only happens if we quit watching. We know that’s not going to happen. NCAA could fix this fairly easy imo but I believe they are just waiting for the current model to implode and then they will react.
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Good Summary
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Jan 14, 2024, 4:05 PM
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This sums it up nicely. As long as the "big guy" is happy with his check, the current state of college football will not change.
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I think they should still have to sit out a season if they transfer.***
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Jan 14, 2024, 5:21 PM
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1. Limits on NIL money. Strictly enforced.
2. One transfer allowed at any time during their four years. After that, if you transfer, you sit out a year.
3. Reschedule transfer portal dates.
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How do you legally limit and enforce what a player can earn through NIL? Who enforces it?
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Jan 15, 2024, 8:00 AM
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I don’t like the transfer portal either but if they are going to do it, wait at least until after the bowl game to open it up so that players want sit out.
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Re: College football broken? I have an idea.
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That’s all fine and well but what is your plan to circumvent the law?
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Good question. Find a good lawyer and go from there.
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Re: College football broken? I have an idea.
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I'm sure that is the way that 99% of college FB fans would love to see come back to college football, but I'm afraid that we'll never see college football back to the way it was, never again!!! But the NCAA has been called out, the ball has been thrown back at them, now let's see if they can score!!!
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Taking away the "sit out a year" caveat is what really started the downfall.
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Jan 15, 2024, 9:02 AM
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But, as far as I can tell by limited research, the courts threw out that provision on antitrust grounds, which left the NCAA powerless to try and enforce it.
Yes, somehow, having STUDENTS sit out a year after transferring before being allowed to compete in extracurricular activities is deemed "in restraint of trade". It should never have come to that. Students are attending Institutions of Higher Learning to get degrees and THEN BECOME part of the workforce. They are NOT already part of it as students.
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Agree, but the NCAA is a collection of all member schools.
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Jan 15, 2024, 9:49 AM
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There's too much money at the schools which like bidding on players for that to happen.
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Also make them real student athletes...real grades, real classes, no online courses unless you want to play football online...full time stunt on yearly basis..If you want to be payed then you pay for your tuition, room and board...Welch out on a bowl game, arrested for pot, break team rules your out no money...they should pay taxes...don't know what the rules are on that...but it's mostly freeloaders and they don't pay taxes orchildsupport! The real world will often wake up con artists!
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I agree, that would be great.
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We both know that it won't happen, but it would be nice.
I miss waking up on New Year's Day knowing that loads of great bowl games would be on, with the best ones happening at night with the culmination of the crowning of a national champion.
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Times have really changed
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When I was a Tiger student the incoming players were rarely if ever even mentioned. Coach Howard would make his trips to the coal mines and bring back a few very big guys that we knew absolutely nothing about. Occasionally a local high school kid would come in but not much was known about their skills. The world is a LOT smaller now!
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Gone forever. The court ruling codified NIL as legal and required. I hate it too. It has broken amateur football forever. The portal, on the other hand, could go away. I doubt it will. What we need are clear cut rules with proper oversight and stringent penalties for teams that break the rules. Name Image Likeness is here to stay. I wish I were wrong.
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NIL was upheld by a court***
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Re: NIL was upheld by a court***
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I ain’t got to like it and I ain’t got to live with it. I’ve walked 1/2 way from it and will likely go another 1/4 soon. For years I felt that amateur sports( college especially) was the best entertainment available. I don’t have to have it. There’s more to life than this messy product. Really hope it gets fixed but not real confident. Go Tigers!
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Re: NIL was upheld by a court***
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Coaches shouldn't be making millions of dollars to coach "amateur sports". I'm sure they could find a professor or somebody else who would volunteer to do a little coaching in their free time. If they're amateurs, then get all of the money out of the sport. Just give out free tickets first come, first serve to whoever shows up at the stadium. Maybe they could air the games on the local PBS station.
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Re: NIL was upheld by a court***
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You would not be happy with that outcome...colleges are big business...if you think these kids are already abused, underpaid mistreated...get a life...have your kid livee in college splendor, custom meals, tutors on demand preferred class scheduling...you don't make enough to pay for it...estimated in hometown that lineman got a scholarship to Stanford and it was worth 500k...except for selling drugs there is no such money around...let the NFL start farm teams...Dabo is worth what he makes!
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maybe just have a minor league
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Jan 15, 2024, 7:07 PM
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and let CFB normalize to the next (lower) level of athlete.
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