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Paw Warrior [4758]
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Clemson wants the same thing from the ACC that
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Oct 18, 2024, 11:16 AM
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the SEC and the BIG want from college football - more money.
Clemson wants a bigger share of ACC money because they draw larger TV audiences & revenue and
the BIG and the SEC want a bigger piece of TV money because they draw larger TV audiences and revenue.
Interesting how Clemson fans support the first argument and lamenty the second.
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Ummm... you are pretty wrong from what I can tell.
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Oct 18, 2024, 11:21 AM
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Most fans that I know of either want Clemson out of the ACC... in the SEC or BIG, or, like me, would rather Clemson not become NFL minor league and go back to more of a student-athlete model.
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Serious question.
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Oct 18, 2024, 11:34 AM
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I long for the days where the purpose of an athletic scholarship was to pay for a college education. I long for the days where a kid went to college on a football scholarship and had the attitude, "I get to go to college. My expenses are paid for by the college. And, on top of all that, I GET to play football."
But, those days are gone.
So, my question is this: Assuming there are only two choices (I know there are choices in the middle, but just ignore them for this question) would you prefer Clemson be playing in a conference with UGA or with Furman?
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Clemson Icon [27483]
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Furman.
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Oct 18, 2024, 11:44 AM
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That is what I would prefer if it was between Clemson being part of NFL-lite or student athlete. Give me the non-professional model and the players actually being part of the school.
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Ring of Honor [22873]
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Re: Furman.
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:13 PM
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I will ask it a little differently. Would you rather watch JV or Varsity football?
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Clemson Icon [27483]
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Neither...
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:17 PM
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I would rather watch my school play with students that are part of my school. I enjoyed going to school and actually being in classes with some of the athletes.
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Varsity [107]
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Georgia. 11 times out of 10.******
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Re: Serious question.
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Interesting thought, but I don’t think there is an education-funded-only CFB anymore. The more realistic question would whether you would rather watch us play UGA or the likes of Berry in D3?
I recall not that long ago where the Michigan AD (or president, I can’t recall) stated if CFB ever went to pay-for-play, they would opt out and drop to D3. Now that the rubber is meeting the road, I think it is time to call out the lie/hypocrisy. $$$$ > education.
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Re: Serious question.
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Oct 18, 2024, 1:43 PM
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Dabo already said he would like to play Jawja every year
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Paw Warrior [4758]
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Re: Serious question.
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Oct 18, 2024, 8:59 PM
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bret,
If I HAVE to choose, I would prefer the Furman model. I grew up going to Citadel games in Charleston. The games were exciting and the athletes were admirable.
If the Power conference situation continues to deteriorate in the direction that it is going, it won't be long before I give it up. It just won't be enjoyable anymore.
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It's already not enjoyable for me.***
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Oct 18, 2024, 9:08 PM
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Paw Warrior [4758]
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Re: It's already not enjoyable for me.***
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Oct 18, 2024, 9:18 PM
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I can deal with the changes that have already happened, but the changes that are coming may be too much for me.
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Clemson Icon [27483]
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To much control in my opinion.
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:15 PM
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Entities like what is happening now operate under a contract. There are no contracts right now.
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Valley Protector [1403]
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Not sure Id term it too much control, the problem lays with the professional
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:24 PM
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'leadership' in college sports…the ADs, conference commissioners, school presidents, NCAA, etc…still not wanting to risk their own power so they're not really trying to structure anything. It's an all for one, one for all mentality going on right now. Once they get serious and start talking with athlete leaders on how to best handle all the new changes then college sports could be towards a path of a new normal. Right now it's just the wild wild west.
That's not the players fault, it's the systems fault.
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Clemson Icon [27483]
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Agree... I wasnt blaming the players for it. They just have too much control.
Oct 18, 2024, 12:35 PM
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Or probably to be more accurately worded... contracts need to be in place for both sides.
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Paw Warrior [4758]
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Re: College football has been the NFL minors for decades.
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Bluff,
I have absolutely no problem with the kids getting their fair share of the pie - and the power to freely decide where they want to play.
However, there is such a thing as too much latitude. It is creating too much instability. Not to mention denigrating the value of hiigher education.
But the portal and NIL are small potaoes compared to the threat created by this super league relugating 2/3rds of college football programs to oblivion.
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Clemson Icon [27483]
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Agreed...
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:16 PM
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I would prefer student-athlete.
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Re: Agreed...
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:32 PM
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I think some of the craziness will sought itself out soon. The Wild West didn't remain the Wild West for long. Laws and rules will have to be applied at some point to NIL, Conference Sceduling, etc. I agree it is not ideal but the constant in life is all things change. Adaptation is the key. Adaptation with a positive plan to make positive changes is an ideal.
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Paw Warrior [4758]
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Re: Agreed...
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Oct 18, 2024, 9:10 PM
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I would like to believe that too, but WHO is it that can apply these rules. Who is in position to guide the adaptation to these changes ?
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Me too, but I think that ship has sailed.***
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Clemson Icon [27483]
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Yeah... I dont see how we could go back now. It is just what I would do
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Oct 18, 2024, 1:20 PM
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if i could wave a magic wand.
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Re: Ummm... you are pretty wrong from what I can tell.
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:12 PM
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Sometimes you have to play the hand you are dealt, and if it isn't any good, then you have to try and bluff your way to getting what you want. This is us right now...
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Re: Ummm... you are pretty wrong from what I can tell.
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:30 PM
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Most fans that I know of either want Clemson out of the ACC... in the SEC or BIG, or, like me, would rather Clemson not become NFL minor league and go back to more of a student-athlete model.
Some interesting takes on your take. My take is that I agree with you.
Would rather see Clemson in the Big 10(1st) or SEC(2nd) rather than in the ACC. Kids will literally leave because they want to play in one of those conferences. But, even in the day/age of NIL - if you watch these SBC teams - they all have plenty of transfers that came from SEC or Big 10 schools.
I still would like to see Clemson compete for National Championships; but realize that ability is going to be harder the way things sit now.
That said, can Clemson with a much smaller alumni base than the Northern schools in the Big 10 and far less Oil big money than the Texas schools: can Clemson compete no matter what our model is?
Depending on how revenue sharing goes and Capping and the like: it will never be equal. Even then, people are likely to just go back to paying under the table if they need to attract talent by going above the Cap.
Would rather it go back to a more Student 1st - athletics 2nd model if I had to choose. But, that horse has left the barn and isn't coming back.
Moving forward - what is the best way for Clemson to suceed in the New CFB world order?
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Paw Warrior [4758]
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Re: Ummm... you are pretty wrong from what I can tell.
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Oct 18, 2024, 9:13 PM
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Hillrock said
Would rather it go back to a more Student 1st - athletics 2nd model if I had to choose. But, that horse has left the barn and isn't coming back.
I disagree. More than half of the college football programs in the country still promote this model. You just don't see them much on TV.
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Re: Ummm... you are pretty wrong from what I can tell.
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:31 PM
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The old model is gone and it's time that Dabo and Clemson fans realize it's about money and winning.Nothing else.
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Clemson Icon [27483]
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Nah, I dont think it is gone...
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Oct 18, 2024, 12:41 PM
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Just at a different level. I think that there is a scale of how much do you care about Clemson vs how much do you care about Clemson football... I care way more about Clemson. The older I get, the more I care about Clemson and the less I care about only the football side of Clemson. Thus, where I land is giving up the professionalism and going back to student-athlete model. I understand it would probably take a drop in division to do that... and I am good with that.
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Re: Nah, I dont think it is gone...
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Joe, as much as I would like to agree with you because I do love Clemson, I also wants us to compete at the highest level in all athletics and every endeavor we as a university do.
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Clemson Icon [27483]
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My frustration is it would only be the best athletes that we can pay for...
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Oct 18, 2024, 1:39 PM
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Not actual students. Are semi-pro athletes even really a part of the university.
I want us to do the best we possibly can as well... just with students that actually go to Clemson, not just hired athletes.
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Re: Ummm... you are pretty wrong from what I can tell.
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Joe,
As I understand it, the negotiations going on between Clemson, FSU and the Acc are about how to distribute the TV money amonsts the ACC teams - unequally.
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Re: Ummm... you are pretty wrong from what I can tell.
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Joe,
As I understand it, the negotiations going on between Clemson, FSU and the Acc are about how to distribute the TV money amonsts the ACC teams - unequally.
......and that breeds hatred, jealousy and bitterness. Look what it did to the B12. Uneven revenue sharing doesn't work in the end.
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Clemson Icon [27483]
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You mentioned the fans...
Oct 18, 2024, 9:34 PM
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I came to it from the fan perspective.
As far as the administration goes... I do think it was stupid how the distribution was allocated. Especially since it actually cost Clemson money when we were in the playoffs. If I understand it correctly, everyone got an equal share... Clemson then had to pay it's expenses from that share... which put us in the negative. Our costs should have been covered at least... then split it. But it is kinda lame to have schools intentionally not put forth any effort to have a football team.
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Re: Clemson wants the same thing from the ACC that
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the SEC and the BIG want from college football - more money.
Clemson wants a bigger share of ACC money because they draw larger TV audiences & revenue and
the BIG and the SEC want a bigger piece of TV money because they draw larger TV audiences and revenue.
Interesting how Clemson fans support the first argument and lamenty the second.
Seems you misunderstand the situation. Clemson wants a level playing field as we won't be competitive in the long-term making $30M+ less than the teams in the Big 2. If the ACC did what was required to create a competitive landscape, my guess is Clemson would stay.
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Re: Clemson wants the same thing from the ACC that
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What is it that you think the ACC could do to create a competitive landscape ??
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This isn't correct at least as it pertains to this Clemson fan. If you are taking control of college football and you're going to have 40 teams that matter. Those 40 ought to be the best 40 teams. That's my only opinion on the matter. Why does your opinion differ?
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