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Clemson: Total Offense #5 and Total Defense #51
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:03 PM
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And that is after only playing 2 teams with a pulse, and 6 cupcakes.
How is this acceptable when you pay your coach 11M?
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Well I'm sure Special Teams has been
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:05 PM
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nevermind
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I fixed it. I think I was looking at YPG.
Nov 6, 2024, 1:30 PM
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Anyway, the defense is #51.
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Yards per Game (YPG) is how total offense is measured***
Nov 6, 2024, 1:35 PM
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Re: Yards per Game (YPG) is how total offense is measured***
Nov 6, 2024, 1:42 PM
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Then it was just a mistake. It happens.
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #50 and Total Defense #51
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:28 PM
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Could you define for me what it means to have a pulse in subjective terms? Or is that simply an objective measure to belittle the wins and highlight the losses
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #50 and Total Defense #51
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:31 PM
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Appalachian State
NC State
Stanford
Florida State
Wake Forest
Virginia
The combined overall record of these teams is 19 wins and 30 losses. Weak schedule.
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #50 and Total Defense #51
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:53 PM
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Right but what constitutes a team having a pulse vs not having one? I've seen that a bunch this week and don't know what that really means, so I am beginning to assume its just a fun catch phrase?
Your numbers include the losses we handed them. I would look at the opponents like this, which is their record outside of playing us since you logically shouldn't "penalize" us for beating teams at the same time "rewarding" teams when they beat us
UGA = 6-1
App state = 4-3
NCST = 5-3
Stanford = 2-6
FSU = 1-7
Wake = 4-3
UVA = 4-3
Louisville = 5-3
Objectively that tells me we are 2-0 against teams with a losing record and 4-2 against teams with a winning record outside of playing us.
So back to my question, how does one put some sort of objective definition around what "having a pulse" means? If you're going by record as you did above, whats the difference between a 5-3 Louisville and a 5-3 NCST (or 4-3 App, Wake or UVA)? If there are other things people are looking at to determine which opponents have a pulse, cool, I want to know too.
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #50 and Total Defense #51
Nov 6, 2024, 6:05 PM
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It’s all relative, compared to where we should be, those teams are cupcakes.
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #50 and Total Defense #51
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Nov 6, 2024, 6:14 PM
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Yeah I’m not disagreeing that, it’s not a great schedule. We also didn’t make the schedule
But that wasn’t my question. What makes 2 of the 6 teams with winning records the ones with “a pulse” besides the fact that they beat us?
I’m leaning towards it was a catchy phrase to drag Clemson.
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #5 and Total Defense #51
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:31 PM
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Edited since he fixed his error
Message was edited by: CuTigers835®
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CU Medallion [20920]
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I made a mistake looking it up.
Nov 6, 2024, 1:34 PM
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Nothing more, nothing less. If anyone seems "butthurt" it's you.
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You know what, if the the football team upsets you so much
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:37 PM
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Then don’t watch it
Don’t complain about the team or throw out barbs on how much someone makes just to prove your point
I think a top 10 offense is great and we can’t control that the other teams play their opponents
Before Saturday night, our low defensive ranking was cause we got a lot of backups in because of successful offense performances
Clemson will fix it.
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Whatever, I have been watching them since 1978.
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:44 PM
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And I am a Clemson grad. I don't need your permission to share my opinion of the status of the program on TNET.
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Re: Whatever, I have been watching them since 1978.
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:53 PM
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We need better D players, depth and much better coaching on that side of the ball.
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #5 and Total Defense #51
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Nov 6, 2024, 1:31 PM
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Duplicate post
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #5 and Total Defense #51
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Nov 6, 2024, 2:11 PM
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Clemson is #68 in total defense. Dabo is worth the money. Wes Goodwin isnt. Dabo has won just as many national championships an Ohio State has in 22 years. Clemson has won more (Natty’s) than Ohio State since 1971. We could claim three to four pre-poll era. I digress, he’s earned his pay.
Does he need to clean the cupboard? Yes. I count four to five position coaches and one coordinator. He needs to hire the best money can buy. Fire the nepotism hires.
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #5 and Total Defense #51
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Nov 6, 2024, 2:14 PM
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Total defense is a legitimate stat and takes into account many factors. Not just yards. Not just scoring. It’s totality of play.
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Yards rankings, points rankings - none of that matters
Nov 6, 2024, 3:32 PM
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show me the metrics rankings that account for what is happening when the game is on the line and opponents not garbage stats. That’s what the CFP uses. Seriously, what is our ranking on O and D right now? who’s got current SP+ #s or even FPI for O and D?
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Re: Yards rankings, points rankings - none of that matters
Nov 6, 2024, 3:44 PM
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Rankings are in the OP title
FPI Off Efficiency 7th
FPI Def Efficiency 30th
SP+ Off 11th
SP+ Def 25th
SP+ ST 124th
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Re: Yards rankings, points rankings - none of that matters
Nov 6, 2024, 5:04 PM
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thanks - these are the #s that are relevant IMO not what is used in OP title which I assume is some total yards or avg pts/given up #s
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Re: Clemson: Total Offense #5 and Total Defense #51
Nov 6, 2024, 4:47 PM
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I did my own analysis of the total offense to toal defense spreads.
When calculaing the RMS of total defense to total offense correlations for the top 25 ranked teams and not considering win loss records or strength of a schedule, just the spread between offense and defensive performance to gage the total strength of a team. Based on this I think Georgia will lose another game. Indiana has a razor thin chance to beat Ohio State and a better chance to beat Penn St. We are going to have the advantage on Pitt, but not by alot.
1.Oregon
2.Indiana
3.Tennessee
4.Ohio State
5.Texas
6.Miami
7.Alabama
8.Kansas State
9.Ole Miss
10.Iowa State
11.Colorado
12.Penn State
13. BYU
14.Texas A&M
15. Army
16. Georgia
17.SMU
18.Clemson
19.Notre Dame
20. LSU
21. Pitt
22. Boise State
23. Louisville
24. Vanderbilt
25. Washington State
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