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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
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Apr 9, 2025, 7:04 AM
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No we were the literal laughing stock of the entire tournament. Everybody is still talking about it.
We played a bad half and lost by 2.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
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Apr 9, 2025, 7:17 AM
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Painful =/= embarrassing. It’s the painful index. Not the embarrassing index. Happy to hear arguments for which performance was more embarrassing.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
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Apr 9, 2025, 7:31 AM
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Agreed
We are pretty much numb at this point so the pain is subdued
It is still very embarrassing
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
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Apr 9, 2025, 7:46 AM
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Painful =/= embarrassing. It’s the painful index. Not the embarrassing index. Happy to hear arguments for which performance was more embarrassing.
What is the point of ignoring somebody if you respond to nearly every one if their posts? Weird and creepy.
You know you have convinced me. OMG it was so embarrassing. We only lost by 2 points, but it was how we lost. It is so embarrassing that we played 1 really bad half and one really good half offensively. I would be way less embarrassed if we outscored them by 5 in the first half and then got outscored by 13 in the second half like memphis did when they lost to a 12 seed. Yes they lost more points, but at least they didnt have a bad first half.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
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Apr 9, 2025, 8:15 AM
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He's not ignoring anyone. He can't...it's a feature for paying members only.
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Apr 9, 2025, 8:19 AM
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It says he is ignoring me.
He definitely used to ignore me and would brag about it lime it was something to be proud of. He would then respond to my posts and he blamed "browser issues" for even seeing my posts. Yes it was pathetic.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
Apr 9, 2025, 8:48 AM
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I’m not engaging in personal dialogue. It’s against the rules. I won’t tag a mod this time but knock it off or I will. I’m on my last warning and I won’t be baited into a ban.
“You know you have convinced me. OMG it was so embarrassing. We only lost by 2 points, but it was how we lost. It is so embarrassing that we played 1 really bad half and one really good half offensively. I would be way less embarrassed if we outscored them by 5 in the first half and then got outscored by 13 in the second half like memphis did when they lost to a 12 seed. Yes they lost more points, but at least they didnt have a bad first half.” So you think the Memphis game was more embarrassing. Awesome. I didn’t really see a ton of pictures on Twitter lamenting Memphis as their first round bracket buster but maybe you did. I think non-Clemson people actually gave us the benefit of the doubt and we face planted. That resurrected “##########”. As objective as you can be about being embrasssing, I think that would be us.
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Apr 9, 2025, 9:20 AM
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Pleading the fifth eh. I wouldn't have a response either.
Im glad you are figuring out how algorithms work. We certainly had a worse half of basketball, but they lost by more and got outscored by 13 in the second half. I would say that is more embarrassing.
What you dont seem to understand is that if we had lost in the same way memphis did, that would have been the most embarrassing to our dramatic and jncredibly biased fans. Brownell would have gotten schooled in the second half and we would have choked big time.
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Apr 9, 2025, 9:35 AM
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We certainly had a worse half of basketball, but they lost by more and got outscored by 13 in the second half. I would say that is more embarrassing.
Good for you. You are biased. The linked article has our loss as #15 and Memphis' loss as #27. So, the unbiased opinion has ours as significantly more embarrassing. The fact we set a points futility record that had everybody commenting about our game at halftime makes it even worse - meaning more public exposure by people that might not have even noticed the game otherwise.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
Apr 9, 2025, 9:48 AM
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I think it is more embarrassing to lose by 8 than it is to lose by 2.
We had a more embarrassing half, but made up some of the embarrassment by outscoring mcneese st by 16 in the second half. Memphis had a solid first half but got outscored by 16 in the second half.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
Apr 9, 2025, 9:51 AM
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We played a good 5 minutes or so. We were blown out the entire rest of the game. The final score is not a true indicator of game flow.
Again, your biased opinion is just that...biased. And that's ok. But I don't know why you find the need to beat your opinion into submission when others don't agree with it.
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Apr 9, 2025, 10:00 AM
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And your opinion is also biased. Imagine that, a large swath of "fans" that are biased against the team they root for. Mind blowing.
So if we scored 3 more points and won, would it still be so embarrassing because of our first half? Again, if we are dismissing the fact that we came back and only lost by 2, then scoring 3 more points in the second half shouldn't move the needle much. Would we still have the most embarrassing performance of the tourney?
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Apr 9, 2025, 10:33 AM
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I'm comparing your opinion to the article, which is an unbiased opinion. I'm not comparing your opinion to mine.
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Apr 9, 2025, 10:27 AM
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While it is noteworthy that we only lost by 2 in the end and a credit to the team continuing to fight to the buzzer, statistical models indicate that McNeese St. reached a safe lead (i.e. the game was essentially over akin to the 10-run rule in college baseball) at the 1 minute mark remaining in the game when McNeese St. went up by 12. This suggests that the flurry of points scored in the final minute (while, again, impressive that we kept fighting) to get to the 2-point margin of defeat were more in line with "too little too late" since the game being out of reach at that point.
Source: https://barttorvik.com/box.php?muid=ClemsonMcNeese+St.3-20&year=2025
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Apr 9, 2025, 12:01 PM
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It’s almost the inverse of the Florida State football game a couple years ago when they made it look close and everyone freaked out about how we almost lost. Which wasn’t the case. The McNeese game ended on a Clemson layup. They were a 99.9% favorite with a minute to go. Cutting the lead to 3 with :13 seconds to go only cut the odds to 93%. Even in a worst case scenario for them there simply wasn’t enough time left to close the gap. So no, we really didn’t almost come back and win. We just made it look that way to a someone perusing the score sheet. No different than highly competitive games that end up with +10 margins because someone starts fouling with 30 seconds left and the other team makes all their free throws and they miss their shots.
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Apr 9, 2025, 12:21 PM
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Lmao.
So let me get this straight. We each played 40 minutes. They lost by 8 and we lost by 2. But our loss was worse and more embarrassing because we waited too long to start making open shots.
Just think, if we went 2-15 in the first half instead of 1-15, then we would have won and it wouldn't be an embarrassing game at all. Yall's biased logic is mind blowing.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
Apr 9, 2025, 2:15 PM
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I wasn’t talking to you or about that. I was talking about perception versus reality as it relates to two different Clemson sporting events. We discussed your opinions on this year’s NCAA tournament. You think Memphis was more embarrassing than Clemson, I think otherwise. Was there a point of clarity you wanted to bring to that discussion?
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Apr 9, 2025, 6:02 PM
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What's embarrassing is to pull a complete no show for the first half of the game, then show no signs of fight well into the second, then all of a sudden play like we know we can and blow the roof off against a far inferior team, but alas and a la Brad, come up just that wee bit short at the end, unable to seal the deal in another one possession game.
Great regular season. Historic. Then not even show up until the last 5 minutes of our first round game. McNeese State didn't even play great, at all. We gifted that to them for 35 minutes with a warmed over turd effort.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
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Apr 9, 2025, 8:58 PM
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At least we met some of the “fans” targets. Even if they chose to forget them!
Go Tigers!
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You continue to be a lying POS.
Apr 10, 2025, 7:24 AM
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Got exposed on it and too weak to own up. You Brownie Bois are a special breed.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
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Apr 9, 2025, 8:06 AM
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Viz, there's really no argument at all. I'm not sure what people expect. The bar was set, now 3 Years ago with a letter from the AD himself.
So, this rating, and category is completely false when it comes to Clemson. We clearly should be placed in the "here's your participation trophy ". We got there. The staff gets an extension - no problem.
Now, should we win a game, that's just gravy because to win one game is considered exceeding our expectations.
I know some of us would love to see that expectation bar raised, but that's not realistic according to our AD.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
Apr 9, 2025, 8:28 AM
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Viz, there's really no argument at all. I'm not sure what people expect. The bar was set, now 3 Years ago with a letter from the AD himself. So, this rating, and category is completely false when it comes to Clemson. We clearly should be placed in the "here's your participation trophy ". We got there. The staff gets an extension - no problem. Now, should we win a game, that's just gravy because to win one game is considered exceeding our expectations. I know some of us would love to see that expectation bar raised, but that's not realistic according to our AD. viztiz
I'm there is no program from a power 5 conference in basketball that went to two straight NCAATs including one of those an Elite 8 run, and ranked at the end of those seasons outside of possibly a blue blood like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke...
Notta...
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
Apr 9, 2025, 9:11 AM
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When you use the Elite 8 that’s a pretty severe limiting factor. You’re limiting yourself to the maximum of 16 teams that made the elite 8 over those two seasons. Duke, Alabama, and Tennessee are the three programs to make the Elite 8 back-to-back. Only one of those is a blue blood. Tennessee and Alabama have the exact same issue of being “football schools” that Brownell backers claim limit Clemson.
Of the 13 teams to make the Elite 8 over the last 2 seasons only 5 didn’t finish in the Top 25 both seasons: UConn, Illinois, NC State, Michigan State, and (somewhat ironically) Florida. UConn and Illinois were 28 and 29 this season, if you want to count votes.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
Apr 9, 2025, 8:54 AM
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You do realize that reality says the exact opposite right. If the Elite 8 is a deep run, you have to make one every 15-20 years (based on current contract)while also not winning a single regular season or tournament conference championship. No other high major program has a coach who has done less over a comparable period. None.
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When you lose in the 2cnd round
Apr 9, 2025, 9:49 AM
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The good news is that nobody is still talking about it. Outside of the Clemson basketball "bubble" it's already forgotten. Clemson doesn't have a championship pedigree like Duke, UNC, UConn, etc...so it makes our loss barely noteworthy.
Defending national champ UConn lost in the 2nd round too. I hear crickets...nobody remembers the losers, 😭 only the winners. Time marches on....
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How fitting since weve mostly had 15 painful years with Brownlee as head coach.***
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
Apr 9, 2025, 9:32 AM
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That loss was far more embarrassing than it was painful. The 13 points in the first half was the lowest points ever scored in a men’s college basketball half since the start of the shot clock.
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Re: Clemson has the 15th post painful loss in the NCAAT...
Apr 9, 2025, 10:02 AM
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In a tournament game. Lower points have been scored in the regular season.
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Apr 9, 2025, 12:27 PM
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Is 15th post painful better than 16th post painful? I'd say that's plenty painful.
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Apr 9, 2025, 1:02 PM
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I think it was an embarrassing first half and a painful second half. If we finished the game off how we started and lost 85-40 we could just be like "that's Clemson basketball, this is embarrasing" and wipe our hands of it. But because we came back and lost by only 2 it felt more painful because we played maybe the worst half of basketball in school history and came back to almost tie it. It felt painful to me because all we needed was one extra 3 in the first half and we're moving on by the skin of our teeth. The ulimate "what if..."
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Apr 10, 2025, 7:43 AM
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SMH. It’s an opinion bored. If you don’t agree, TD and move on. Well, that’s for paying members for the TD to actually count. But, the OP still gets a notification of TD.
Arguing never changes hearts or minds. Just state you opinion, post any receipts you have, and move on. Remember, disagreement is the heart of academia. Personal attacks is not. Those are reserved for folks who don’t have facts to back up their argument and know they can’t win. Everybody has an opinion. You know it’s different.
How boring would it be if we all thought the same?! We wouldn’t need a forum or opinion board. We’d all just chant “one of us” and move on. Be handful we have differences to hash out a bit. Discourse is much different than calling someone an idiot or berating them.
Just my two cents.
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