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Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:27 PM
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I can see Del Jones leaving for money, but we didn’t even have a shot to match? The others that have left do they really think they impressed anyone enough to get a better deal elsewhere?
Is there a problem with Brownell and the players? I know he has in the past thrown the players under the bus, while never shouldering the blame, like many coaches do. This is not meant to disparage Brownell, so relax and just address my pondering questions as to why someone would leave when the starting lineup and playing time would be great.
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Pondering?...
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:34 PM
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You forgot the rules...
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Re: Pondering?...
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:42 PM
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That’s not fair posting a pic like that!? 🤣
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Top TigerNet [28463]
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Re: Pondering?...
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Mar 28, 2025, 5:34 PM
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My bad and she is not to be forgotten!!!
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:41 PM
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I am wondering the same thing - is something awry in the locker room/program? Where there is smoke, there is fire as my daddy used to say. But, on the other hand, the Hunter brothers have hung in there for so long and players like PJ Hall sung Brownell’s praises. It is hard to put a finger on it. Maybe they are just jumping ship for greener ($) pastures?
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 6:24 PM
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Possibly purging the roster?
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Top TigerNet [28463]
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 6:29 PM
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I am excited to see what Brownell will put together. The portal saved his job. He has an opportunity to make Clemson a basketball school also. Recruiting was never going to make us a contender, even in the down years of the ACC.
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Game Changer [1916]
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
Mar 29, 2025, 11:30 AM
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Interesting take. I’ll give you credit for a scenario where there is at least hope.
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:50 PM
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Supposedly this will be Jones 5th school in 5 years so it may be partly on him. The grass is always greener elsewhere for some people. I wish I had a good answer for you, like someone else posted the Hunter bros, PJ and others have stayed with the program singing CBB's praises, so hard to say. The one thing for sure is these are crazy times in college sports.
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 5:52 PM
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Supposedly this will be Jones 5th school in 5 years so it may be partly on him. The grass is always greener elsewhere for some people. I wish I had a good answer for you, like someone else posted the Hunter bros, PJ and others have stayed with the program singing CBB's praises, so hard to say. The one thing for sure is these are crazy times in college sports.
3 HS in three different states if I heard correctly. Then Clemson, now TBD. Been reported he clashed with the HC during the season. Then the freelancing on offense during games. It just adds up to addition by subtraction if Brownell can find the right replacement.
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:54 PM
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They weren't wanted and so they left. It's what was good for Clemson basketball.
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Brad took plenty of responsibility for our loss to McNeese State.
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Mar 28, 2025, 3:05 PM
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So I don’t think the “throwing players under the bus” criticism is valid here.
Sometimes players just aren’t good fits in a system. Other times they don’t develop as planned. It isn’t always about money.
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Re: Brad took plenty of responsibility for our loss to McNeese State.
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Mar 28, 2025, 3:32 PM
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The Brownell crowd is 98 percent of the fan base so you must be the 2 percent lunatic fridge TNET talks about.
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Top TigerNet [28463]
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Re: Brad took plenty of responsibility for our loss to McNeese State.
Mar 28, 2025, 5:39 PM
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I have openly stated after last year that I would give him a pass. I have tried to make sense of why the players are leaving when there is oodles of playing time to be had and honestly, would we take any of them out of the portal? The other two players were the subject of a lot of fan criticism all year. Maybe it is that
I missed Brownell taking blame for not having them ready. I am glad that he has stepped up and changed how he seemed to be in the past
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Re: Brad took plenty of responsibility for our loss to McNeese State.
Mar 29, 2025, 10:17 AM
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castaway® who are you accusing ?
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They were good enough to win 27 games, the most ACC games in school history
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Mar 28, 2025, 3:37 PM
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Beat Sweet 16 participants UK and Duke, won double digit games by double digits. At what point in the last 3 games did they become not good fits in the system or quit developing?
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Paw Warrior [5088]
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Did you really just say "It isn't always about money?"
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Mar 28, 2025, 3:48 PM
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I thought you had taught us all that it's always* entirely about money.
That it's the money that goes to the football program that isn't going to the basketball program that ensures the basketball program will never win like the football program.
Because we all know it can't be about the coaching.
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CBB does not have a "system" IMO
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Mar 28, 2025, 9:59 PM
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He is very limited in his X & O knowledge...that's why young players don't get much better. The Portal success is a very good cover up when the new, experienced players are bringing in skills learned elsewhere.
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Re: CBB does not have a "system" IMO
Mar 29, 2025, 11:08 AM
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This is sarcasm right?
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 5:38 PM
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Iconic Clown POTD! Congrats
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
Mar 28, 2025, 5:42 PM
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Coming from you, The Clown Prince, I will accept your opinion. Hope you doing well haha
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
Mar 28, 2025, 6:49 PM
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Coming from you, The Clown Prince, I will accept your opinion. Hope you doing well haha
Based on your research, did CBB have a higher transfer rate than other non-elite P4 schools? Please share the data. 🤡 🧐 🤡
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 5:44 PM
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Why are we speculating at this point? This is college basketball now. The average amount of outgoing transfers i. The acc last year had nearly 6 per team last year.
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Top TigerNet [28463]
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
Mar 28, 2025, 6:02 PM
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It truly was a question? Do I think Brownell is the best coach or recruiter, not really. However, I had us losing to Mc Neese St in one of my brackets. I thought we got a tough draw with them. Did not think we would have the worst half in the history of the tournament, but it happened
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 6:02 PM
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Can it be as simple as he is not worth the ask? Sure there are others out there willing to pay it. But… he had glimmers of future greatness mixed in with many instances of playing out of control. Is the price asked not indicative of his value to us? We need an immmediate contributor and DJ still needs to grow a little. So if the price met contributor level as opposed to star level he may still be here.
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 6:07 PM
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Great point. I feel like he had potential, but often times just out of control and showed that he was a freshman. Not saying he wasn’t coachable, but there were times you wondered why he did what he did
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
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Mar 28, 2025, 6:23 PM
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Kind of like Ricky Jones in the late 80s. Great talent, but didn't get the team offense concept.
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
Mar 28, 2025, 10:32 PM
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I can see somebody assuming that people are going to answer their frivolous question, but I can’t imagine actually taking the time to answer such pointless conjecture.
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Averaged 4 points a game
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Mar 28, 2025, 10:41 PM
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Did not show enough with his 12 minute average per game really shot about 4 points per game. Without a need for NIL money for current players he basically has black checks to write players I portal to come. Del probably felt he could land a better fit for him as player and style he prefers. I heard feelings were pretty mutual that both were okay with departure. If players inquire about money and suggest a level then the coach feels there was not enough results to invest fully in that future at player suggested levels then this occurs. Just a business decision but player may think he is worth more but it rarely showed up in actual games for Clemson except Virginia Tech that was very lowly ranked or Penn State game. The future will tell who was really more accurate but with the sample size provided both were pretty mutual feeling and it’s not a run of player issues. Brad believes he will find better in portal that may already be more developed.
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fair question, here's my best answer
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Mar 28, 2025, 11:25 PM
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From what I have heard among the Clemson media, the answer likely has a lot to do with playing time. Let me explain the logic here. I think a lot of people were assuming that Del would be penciled right in as a starting guard at Clemson next season, but that may not have actually been the case. He certainly showed some great flashes off the bench in the regular season, and he had a few really good games. But he wasn't the most consistent, and he really struggled in the postseason, especially once he got thrust into a larger role when Dillon Hunter went down. He was arguably the worst player on the court for the Tigers in those 3 games, and that's really saying something when you consider how poorly Wiggins and Heidbreder played. His confidence evaporated, he couldn't move the ball, and he made several costly turnovers.
I'm not trying to drag the kid, and I'm also not trying to make the "he was never any good anyway" argument just because he's transferring out. I wish Del Jones was still a Tiger, and I think he's got great potential. In time, I think he could become a star. But after what we just saw down the stretch this season, do you really think he's the guy you should entrust to become your full-time starting point guard on a team with postseason aspirations? I would say no. At the very least, not YET. The other factor to consider is that Dillon is still here, which means he would probably still be the best option at point guard anyway. And as athletic as Del may be, I don't think he's demonstrated a good enough or consistent enough shot yet to be an ideal fit at shooting guard. I honestly think he'd have been best in the same role as this year: as a backup point guard, probably with more minutes as a sophomore.
What I have heard is that the Clemson staff probably had a similar opinion on the situation. Del probably realized there were several portal destinations that would likely offer him a starting spot immediately with comparable NIL money. Did somebody come in and massively outbid Clemson, taking him solely based on money? Probably not. Could money have been a partial factor? Yes. The most likely scenario is that Del thinks (or perhaps knows) that he can get similar NIL pay and a starting spot at a different school. The other thing to consider is that NIL money is a limited resource. Clemson basketball has a certain amount, and they have to spend it wisely to potentially attract transfers. So if you significantly overpay a guy like Del Jones, that could prevent the Tigers from being able to get a better, starting-caliber player out of the portal. So to some extent it has to be a business decision.
It is possible that another team offered Del a major pay raise, and Clemson, while they probably COULD have matched it if they really wanted to, decided it would not be a smart decision to pay that much. One, or both, of those scenarios is probably similar to what happened regarding the Jones transfer. If it is true that keeping him would've required promising him a starting spot and/or a massive pay increase, I wouldn't blame Brad and co. for declining those conditions. As disappointing as it may be to lose Del, it's not worth hamstringing the team's resources or giving one of the most important spots on the floor full-time to a player who may not be ready to handle that yet.
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Mar 28, 2025, 11:32 PM
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*Additionally, if you look at the schools who have contacted him thus far, that should tell you something. Don't get me wrong, he's got some decent options, like Syracuse, Vanderbilt, and Memphis; but it's not like Kansas, Auburn, and Purdue are all breaking down the door to come get this guy. Once again, I don't mean that as a knock; just to help demonstrate his value as a player and why an overpay might not be the best decision.
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
Mar 29, 2025, 11:23 AM
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There is a consistent issue. Brownell does not develop players he recruits.
Players want to play, play meaningful minutes, and have a chance to actually win something.
Clemson blew out so many bad opponents this year - so why did Brad not let the bench players meaningful minutes and let them grow. Sure, we just might have lost another game or two, (doubtful considering how bad the ACC is) - but we would have developed a bench and role players and starters for the future.
Many of you are thankful that these players left. Well, Brad recruited them, and did not develop them into starters or solid role players. If they had gotten plenty of meaningful minutes - not just mop up minutes - they might have developed and stayed.
Even the few that are currently staying have no real minutes (except one).
Now, we start over again and hope that a player who was disgruntled elsewhere comes in and plays a year well with a new team.
If you develop and play the long game (building rather than simply buying) - you can have a core and then portal in a specific need.
Now, we need everything.
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
Mar 29, 2025, 11:35 AM
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Just because a player enters the portal it does not necessarily follow that it was the player who was the deciding factor in the departure.
Player goes to coach and asks, what’s my role next year. Coach says, we see you as an 8-10 minute contributor, but not as a starter. Player says, but I THINK I AM A STARTER. Coach says, history is not on your side and that’s NOT the way you’ve played to this point.
Player thinks, I’m better off elsewhere. Coach thinks, I’ve gotta replace a role player with a starter OR there’s an open position I can fill with someone more suited to our system.
It doesn’t mean, necessarily, that there’s toxicity somewhere.
Everybody’s happy.
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Re: Alright the elephant in the room question for the Brownell crowd
Mar 29, 2025, 2:22 PM
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It’s basketball. It’s where the one and done or transferring all began. Now everyone does it not just Kentucky and Duke. It’s about playing time imo. Not like any of these current transfers are involved in any bidding wars. Personally like it. Get better players hopefully.
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