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Game Changer [1850]
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Can somebody splain to me why we are so in love with Israel?
Mar 30, 2025, 3:31 AM
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I always wandered why so many (esp pubs) love Israel. I’m no expert in foreign policy but what is the behind this? Is this the biblical stuff? And since we are now a transactional govt, what have they done for us? Have they even say thank you for what we do for them? I’m not sure what they have of value as a country, but whatever it is I think they should fork it over to us
Personally I think Nutanyahoo is a crazy person …. Ohhhh I think I hit the bingos
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Mar 30, 2025, 3:42 AM
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The Christians really could care less about the Jews/Israel. They do need them to fulfill prophecy though, 2/3 must die and the final 1/3 must convert.
Evangelicals run rampant in the GOP, one needs to look no further than the tats on Drunken Pete.
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AIPAC and their Congressional handlers...***
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Re: Can somebody splain to me why we are so in love with Israel?
Mar 30, 2025, 5:31 AM
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It is where we try out our new weapons.
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Re: Can somebody splain to me why we are so in love with Israel?
Mar 30, 2025, 5:41 AM
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Obviously that's not the case.
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Same reasons that you love Hamas, I reckon.***
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Mar 30, 2025, 7:56 AM
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It takes an utterly simpleton brain to believe that
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Mar 30, 2025, 11:21 AM
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not approving of the mass slaughter of women and children means somebody loves Hamas. Like, IQ in the 70s. And here you are.
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Re: It takes an utterly simpleton brain to believe that
Mar 30, 2025, 10:44 PM
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Don’t bother with the Indian tender foot, he has no idea what goes on outside of his teepee
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The slaughter and rape of innocent jews is what started this last go around
Mar 31, 2025, 9:23 AM
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and the continuing of killing the hostages is what keeps it going. The Palestinians elected Hamas and it appears still supports them as their elected leaders.
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Re: Can somebody splain to me why we are so in love with Israel?
Mar 30, 2025, 8:43 AM
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It's obvious you haven't read much of the Bible or you have no retention. Sometimes keeping your thoughts to yourself will hide your ignorance.
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Re: Can somebody splain to me why we are so in love with Israel?
Mar 31, 2025, 6:26 PM
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This movie splains some of the reason real mericans done been supporting Israel.
'Til Kingdom Come” is a 2020 documentary film directed by Maya Zinshtein. The film explores the alliance between Christian Zionists in the United States and Jewish Israeli settlers in the West Bank. It received generally positive reviews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Til_Kingdom_Come_(film)
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Mar 30, 2025, 9:38 AM
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Well i've read the Bible and spent more time in (Southern Baptist) church than most
The Bible is a mish mosh of gibberish that nobody can understand. We have preachers and scholars that interpret it for us. How many time have I heard "Now what (insert biblical person) was saying is blah blah" Fact is they are just guessing or going by what they learnt in preacher school
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Re: Sounds like you havent either.***
Mar 30, 2025, 9:13 PM
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I've forgotten more than you know. The Bible says multiple times that any nation that doesn't stand with Israel will fall.
Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed (Genesis 12:3).
Jesus states the importance of supporting Israel and the Jews in the new testament and later by Paul in Roman's.
Israel and the Jews is the root and Gentiles are the branches.
Keep working at it.
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Why is it important to support people who flat out reject God's most
Mar 30, 2025, 10:14 PM
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important message? Why would God say that?
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Based on your behavior and what you support
Mar 31, 2025, 7:59 AM
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You know and understand very little about Jesus's teachings, but that's typical of any MAGA who claims to be a Christian.
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Mar 30, 2025, 9:45 AM
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I think a better question is why half the country hates Israel when it clearly only wants to have a peaceful existence. Then when it inevitably gets attacked by terrorist trash the US left immediately starts rioting in support of, you guessed it, the terrorists. We've had more threads lamenting the deportation of jew hating foreign students over the last month than we've had in a year and a half about Hamas holding hundreds of people hostage, many of which they have apparently murdered. Why do the board leftists, and leftists in general, always seem to get outraged about Israel defending itself and/or the US sending pro terrorist students back wherever they came from but have absolutely nothing to say about Hamas kidnapping (for 18 months and counting) and then murdering hundreds of innocent Israelis and several US citizens?
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Game Changer [1850]
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Mar 30, 2025, 10:00 AM
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i think you have a grave misunderstanding of these issues.
First off, I don't hate Israel. I feel the same about them as any other country, such as Ukrane, whom were attacked by Russia, they doesnt seem to be getting the same sympathies from pubs nowadays.
I think its awful what Hamas has done, but Israel is no angel either, and the mass genocide of innocents Palestinians is terrible. Just imagine for a sec if you happen to be born Palestinian, and watching seeing your family friends that nothing to do with HAMAS be slaughtered. Yet somehow you and your ilk conflate people protesting that or speaking out for that as supporting HAMAS. Im onboard with hunting down Hamas folks and unaliving them all similar to what was done with other terrorist groups
Fact is Palestine may have just as much rights to that land as Israel, in any event why are we picking sides in an ancient war thats been going on since ...well since forever
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I know this is P&R, but its probably not productive to ask
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Mar 30, 2025, 11:57 AM
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why Republicans don’t care about Ukraine but do care about Israel. I guess you could ask why this is a position of Trump if you think that’s the case, but there is a spectrum of feelings about all of this across all Americans regardless of party. It might make more sense to ask why someone believes Ukraine should give up a portion of their land and sovereignty for peace but Israel has no such requirement. Not saying that’s true but otherwise you’re pigeon holing groups of people into groups of positions.
I’m not a Republican but I am Conservative. I fully support our complete support of Ukraine against Russia, including financial and military support and increased sanctions on Russia and whomever supports them, until the full removal of Russia from Ukraine.
I also fully support Israel in their right to defend themselves from a terrorist org that has (or in recent history, had) the destruction of Israel as part of its platform, and randomly attacks, rapes, murders and kidnaps Israeli citizens. In the last round of hostage exchanges, over a thousand Palestinians were exchanged for something like 20 Israelis.
It’s simply not fair to call what’s going on a genocide. Innocent people are dying, yes. It is awful, yes. That’s why you are finally starting to see some Palestinians protesting Hamas in Gaza. They realize that Hamas sees them only as convenient fodder to claim victimhood. It’s why they build their facilities under hospitals, near schools or in residential areas. Far from seeking to protect Palestinians, Hamas needs them to get caught in the crossfire.
If Israel were seeking genocide, a LOT more Palestinians were dead. They announce ahead of time where major operations will take place, they establish evacuation corridors. They support relief camps for Palestinians, sometimes with their own food, etc. Hamas then steals it. You can’t ask Israel to support Hamas. And in my opinion, it’s ridiculous to sit in our cozy country and wag our finger at a country because they simply won’t tolerate terrorists killing their own people, and the only way to get the bad guys in to attack them where they are hiding…behind their human shields.
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Mar 30, 2025, 12:34 PM
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It hasn't been going on forever. There were only a handful of native Jews in Palestine until the 1890s. There were still more in Yemen, Iraq, and Iran at that point. There was migration of European Jews to the communist farms (kibbitzum) and a slow increase in population until the end of WWI when the UK was assigned to oversee Mandatory Palestine. The population grew through more migration, but the UK limited immigration to try to keep peace by keeping the new Jewish population from getting large enough to threaten the native Muslims, Christians, and Jews/Samaritans. The ultra-Zionist Irgun (predecessor to Likud) didn't like this and carried on a terrorist campaign again the British and natives from the late 30s through 1948. The real conflicts in Palestine started in the late 1930s. At one point, they tried to disable a ship of Jewish refugees that the UK had not let embark, in order to force the UK to allow them into Israel. Instead, they sunk the ship and killed most of the people on board.
The Irgun's goal has always been a Jewish-only Canaan, including the West Bank as ordered in the Bible when God told the Hebrews to kill everyone else in Canaan. We know that didn't happen, because the native (semitic) Jews, Palestinians, and other peoples who remained in the region all carry a lot of Canaanite DNA. Gaza was not part of Canaan or either Hebrew kingdom, by the way, it was the home of the Philistines. It's somewhat ironic that the most militant settlers come from Eastern Europe and Russia (like Begin) and in many cases carry less Hebrew DNA than the Palestinians they are killing.
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Mar 30, 2025, 4:22 PM
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Jews in area by timeline
Israel is the only country in the world with a consistently growing Jewish population due to natural population increase. Jewish communities in the Diaspora feature a population declining or steady, with the exception of the Orthodox and Haredi Jewish communities around the world, whose members often shun birth control for religious reasons, who have experienced rapid population growth.[33] The growth of the Orthodox and Haredi sector has partly balanced out negative population growth amongst other Jewish denominations. Haredi women have 7.7 children on average while the average Israeli Jewish woman has over 3 children.[34]
When Israel was first established in 1948, it had the third-largest Jewish population in the world, after the United States and Soviet Union. In the 1970s, Israel surpassed the Soviet Union as having the second-largest Jewish population.[35] In 2003, the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics reported that Israel had surpassed the United States as the nation with the world's largest Jewish population. The report was contested by Professor Sergio Della Pergola of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Considered the greatest demographic expert on Jews, Della Pergola said it would take another three years to close the gap.[36] In January 2006, Della Pergola stated that Israel now had more Jews than the United States, and Tel Aviv had replaced New York as the metropolitan area with the largest Jewish population in the world,[37] while a major demographic study found that Israel's Jewish population surpassed that of the United States in 2008.[38] Due to the decline of Diaspora Jewry as a result of intermarriage and assimilation, along with the steady growth of the Israeli Jewish population, it has been speculated that within about 20 years,[when?] a majority of the world's Jews will live in Israel.[39] In March 2012, the Israeli Census Bureau of Statistics reported on behalf of Ynet has forecast that in 2019, Israel will be home to 6,940,000 Jews, 5.84 million which are non-Haredi Jews living in Israel, compared with 5.27 million in 2009. The number is expected to grow to anywhere between 6.09 million and 9.95 million by 2059, marking a 16%–89% increase with the 2011 population. The Bureau also forecasts that the ultra-Orthodox population will number 1.1 million people by 2019, compared with 750,000 in 2009. By 2059, the projected Haredi Jewish population is estimated to be between 2.73 million and 5.84 million, marking a 264%–686% increase. Thus the total projected Israeli Jewish population by 2059 is estimated to be between 8.82 million and 15.790 million.[40] In January 2014, it was reported by demographer Joseph Chamie that the projected population of Israeli Jews is expected to reach between 9.84 million by the year 2025 and 11.40 million by 2035.[41]
1st century estimate 2,500,000[42] 7th century estimate 300,000–400,000[43] 1800 estimate 6,700[44][45] 1880 estimate 24,000[44][45] 1915 estimate 87,500[44][45] 1931 estimate 174,000[44][45] 1936 estimate > 400,000[44][45] 1947 estimate 630,000[44][45] 1949 census 1,013,900[46] 1953 census 1,483,600[47] 1957 census 1,762,700[48] 1962 census 2,068,900[48] 1967 census 2,383,600[46] 1973 census 2,845,000[46] 1983 census 3,412,500[46] 1990 census 3,946,700[46] 1995 census 4,522,300[46] 2000 census 4,955,400[46] 2006 census 5,393,400[46] 2009 census 5,665,100 2010 census 5,802,000[49] 2017 census 6,556,000[50][51]
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Mar 30, 2025, 4:39 PM
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Historically there were a lot of Jews in the area.
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Only if you go back 2000 years. They originally came from modern day Iraq.
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Mar 30, 2025, 6:50 PM
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That is a reach but I do not think I said that. I just pointed out there were a lot of Jews in the area historically. Neither side in this has clean hands, both have committed atrocities against the other.i have said it will not be settled until one side wipes out the other, now it just depends on which side one falls. I do find it interesting that Arab nations want nothing to do with the Palestinians in their countries as historically they have caused problems.
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Re: Can somebody splain to me why we are so in love with Israel?
Mar 31, 2025, 6:31 AM
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The Jewish population was down to a couple percent of the population through the middle ages until the late 1800s. Did you know that part of Canada was considered as a homeland before Balfour?
I was surprised there were as many in the seventh century, but that was still hundreds of years before the Turks arrived in Anatolia. The majority left after the rebellions against Rome, but many continued to migrate for years after. And the number further decreased as Christians became distinct from Jews over a few hundred years and many people stopped identifying as Jewish.
The great irony is that many Palestinians are more Hebrew/Jewish by ancestry than the Ashkenazi who dominate the population of modern Israel. It’s analogous to your long lost cousins coming to your farm after 2000 years and demanding you give it to them, then killing the head of household when you refuse.
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I can absolutely wag my finger. bY what ur saying we should have dropped an A bomb on the entire middle east after 911. And shrug our shoulder and say "but their using people as shields and such" No of curse thats not right. We took a surgical approach for the most part, not a sledge hammer. Again imagine if it were your family
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Mar 30, 2025, 9:28 PM
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Don't fall into the trap of Satan by not putting the Jews first. The Israelites and Jews are chosen by God. If you didn't see my post above, see Genisis 12:3.
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Re: Can somebody splain to me why we are so in love with Israel?
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You need to get past the OT and start reading the NT.
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If you can’t figure out why half the country hates murderous thugs like Netanyahu, who on his own has committed Israel to the most violent campaign of ethnic cleansing against people, most of whom aren’t connected to Hamas, and who literally have no chance of defending themselves and no means of escape, then you will never get it.
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Mar 30, 2025, 2:57 PM
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Most violent campaign of ethnic cleansing?
Dude what is going on in Gaza does not even make the top 10!
In a little over 2 months 500k were killed in Rwanda. Mostly hacked to death with machetes. Pol Pot in Cambodia says hold my beer! Stalin ? I could go on but you are far too easy a mark, clutch those pearls tightly and shed some crocodile tears.
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This is just in Turkey , alone.
World War I (1914–1918) Name Date Location Deaths Responsible Party Victims Notes Greek genocide[19][20][21][22] 1917–1922 Ottoman Empire 300,000–900,000 Young Turk government Greeks Reports detail massacres, deportations, individual killings, rapes, burning of entire Greek villages, destruction of Greek Orthodox churches and monasteries, drafts for "Labor Brigades", looting, terrorism and other atrocities.[23][24] Assyrian genocide[25] 1914–1918 Ottoman Empire and Persia 250,000-275,000 Young Turk government and Kurdish tribes Assyrians Denied by the Turkish government. Armenian genocide 1915–1917 Ottoman Empire 600,000-1,500,000 Young Turk government and Kurdish tribes Armenians The Armenians of the eastern regions of the empire were massacred. The Turkish government currently denies the genocide.[26][27][28] It is the second most publicised case of genocide after the Holocaust.[29] Massacres in Eastern Anatolia 1914-1918 Eastern Anatolia 128,000-600,000[30] Russian Army and possibly Armenian irregulars Muslim population (Turks and Kurds) According to J. Rummel, 128,000-600,000 Muslim Turks and Kurds were killed (death toll includes death by famine and diseases) by Russian troops and possibly Armenian irregulars during World War I.[30] Massacres in the Çoruh River valley 1916[31] Çoruh River valley 45,000[31] Cossack regiments Muslim population (Turks and Kurds) During WWI, Russian "General Liakhov, for instance 'accused the Muslims of treachery, and sent his Cossacks from Batum with orders to kill every native at sight, and burn every village and every mosque. And very efficiently had they performed their task, for as we passed up the Chorokh valley to Artvin not a single habitable dwelling or a single living creature did we see.'"[31] Post-World War I (1919–1923) Main article: List of massacres during the Greco-Turkish War (1919–22) Name Date Location Deaths Responsible Party Victims Notes Massacre in Marash 1920 Marash, Aleppo Vilayet 5,000–12,000 Turks Armenians [32][33][34] Kahyaoğlu Farm Massacre [tr] June 11, 1920 Yeşiloba, Adana Vilayet 64+ to ~200 Armenians Turks Report which was given to Mustafa Kemal Pasha included 43 men, 21 women and tens of children. Other estimates are up to 200.[35] Karadeniz massacre January 28–29, 1921 waters of the Black Sea 15 Kemalists/Committee of Union and Progress (disputed) Communist Party of Turkey Mustafa Suphi the founder of the Communist Party of Turkey and his 14 comrades were assassinated while they were being sent to Erzurum for trial[36] Republic of Turkey (1923–present) Name Date Location Deaths Responsible Party Victims Notes Diyarbakir massacre 1925 Diyarbakir Province, Elazığ Province 15,200 (206 villages destroyed) Turkish security forces Kurds Part of Deportations of Kurds between 1916 and 1934.[37] Zilan massacre July 1930 Van Province 5,000–15,000 Turkish security forces Kurds 5,000 women, children, and elderly people were reportedly killed[38] 1934 Thrace pogroms 21 June-4 July 1934 Thrace 1 Local people Jews Over 15,000 Jews had to flee from region[39] Dersim rebellion
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The Jews have suffered throughout history, but Netanyahu is just as bad as the others you mention. The difference is that he has just enough of a population that won't accept full-blown genocide. They accept a lot and protest him plenty. He should be in prison by now for bribery and corruption, but the Oct 7 attacks and aftermath have kept him free.
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Israel has no moral high ground to justify mass murder of this scale, no matter where it ranks on the list.
So #### Bibi the Psychopath, and everyone who supports him , they are guilty as sin.
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Re: Can somebody splain to me why we are so in love with Israel?
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What I reject from you is the made up BS and hyperbole, drop that answer we really could find common ground. I refuse to discuss thing based upon your emotions though.
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Mar 31, 2025, 9:28 AM
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I know it's purely the religious angle for a whole lot of people, which I find
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really strange. I have friends and family who tell me "they are God's chosen people, so we must side with them and protect them". Really? These are fundamentalist Christians telling me that a people who flat out reject what they as Christians believe to be God's most important message, are God's chosen people.
Fundamentalist Christians: "Jesus is the son of God, and we must accept that he died to save us from our sins. That is the single most important thing".
Israel/Jewish people: "Jesus is not the son of God, the Messiah".
Fundamentalist Christians: "The nation of Israel and it's people, are God's chosen people, and we must support and protect them".
That's a head scratcher for me.
Of course, there are strategic military and political reasons for siding with Israel, which I understand.
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Re: I know it's purely the religious angle for a whole lot of people, which I find
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well they murdered Jesus, so there is that
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Re: I know it's purely the religious angle for a whole lot of people, which I find
Mar 30, 2025, 12:30 PM
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Supposedly there was a gay lovers quarrel between Jesus and Caiaphas and Caiaphas had Jesus killed.
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so he has been causing a ruckus for a while now?***
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Orange Immortal [64106]
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But God's chosen people have rejected his main message now for 2000
Mar 30, 2025, 10:04 PM
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years. What exactly were they chosen for, and if they are the chosen, why do they reject their chooser? Seems an odd way to set things up. Or, maybe there's something wrong with the story.
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Re: I know it's purely the religious angle for a whole lot of people, which I find
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They somehow get it all mixed up. At one point, the Hebrews are chosen and make a covenant with God. They break that covenant and then are punished by war, slavery, exile (to Persia and Assyria, this is after the Egyptian exile). Then Jesus makes a new covenant with everyone who believes, Jews and Gentiles equally. Then the Roman governor has him killed to appease the Hebrews. Orthodox Christian theology is that Christians have been the chosen people ever since Jesus made the new covenant. This evangelical "chosen people" wording is based on end-times theology and took off after that armageddon book, late great planet earth.
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Letterman [160]
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Re: I know it's purely the religious angle for a whole lot of people, which I find
Mar 30, 2025, 1:46 PM
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The Jewish Messiah is a kick butt take names warrior who will come to avenge ALL the wrongs that have happened to the Jews. He certainly was not someone who got killed before he even got started much less finished the job.
The OT is basically the Torah, in the NT we get a kinder ,gentler God. The Jews are gonna wait for their kick but warrior, they know turning the other cheek just gets you slapped on the other side of your head.
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Paw Master [17491]
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Re: I know it's purely the religious angle for a whole lot of people, which I find
Mar 31, 2025, 6:13 PM
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Jesus was a "kick butt" warrior when he wanted to be. He was not all kinder and gentler.
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There is a twinge of irony that so many Trumpkins
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Mar 30, 2025, 2:04 PM
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Claim to have such a love for a nation built out of the ashes of genocide while simultaneously supporting the first steps of our own here.
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Ring of Honor [21815]
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Re: There is a twinge of irony that so many Trumpkins
Mar 30, 2025, 7:04 PM
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There no brewing or supporting genocide here.
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Tiger Titan [48239]
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Not yet.
Mar 31, 2025, 8:00 AM
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But they sure are supportive of the first steps, which were the same first steps as the Jewish genocide.
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Re: Not yet.
Apr 1, 2025, 7:59 AM
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What genocide, the one against the Jews?
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Orange Blooded [2287]
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Re: Can somebody splain to me why we are so in love with Israel?
Mar 30, 2025, 10:43 PM
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One piece of the puzzle is explained very well in this movie.
'Til Kingdom Come” is a 2020 documentary film directed by Maya Zinshtein. The film explores the alliance between Christian Zionists in the United States and Jewish Israeli settlers in the West Bank. It received generally positive reviews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Til_Kingdom_Come_(film)
Once again, lots of Americans that are definitely gullible and aspire to be conservative.
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Orange Blooded [2372]
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