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Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 10:22 AM
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There was a post this morning about TL and DW being generational QBs and how that relates to CK. If you look at the winners from the 4 playoff team era, there was some strong QB play on most but not all teams. Saturdaysdownsouth ranked them this way:
10. Mac Jones
9. Bryce Young
8. Justin Fields
7. Baker Mayfield
6. Tua Tagovailoa
5. Jalen Hurts
4. Trevor Lawrence
3. Stetson Bennett
2. Deshaun Watson
1. Joe Burrow
Here's the link to the full list of 30:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/ranking-every-college-football-playoff-qb-in-the-4-team-era/
You can say not all of these guys won national champiosnhips but did get their teams to the playoffs. On the other hand, a scrub like Jake Coker beat us in 2016. So, it can be done without elite QB play. However, in a 12 team playoff it will be pretty difficult.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 10:28 AM
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Yes. If the team recruits like Georgia and has 5 star talent all over the field including OL.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 10:31 AM
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Which is currently not the case.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
Jun 18, 2024, 3:18 PM
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You mean one that generates some offense...we have had several of those...any offense they generate is greatly appreciated...generational QB is a contrived description. How then would you ever have generational QBs back to back...it was said that DJ was such...good luck with that one!
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 10:32 AM
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Yes. See Stetson Bennett, Mac Jones etc.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 10:32 AM
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If you don't have an elite quarterback, then yiu have to have an elite offense line. Hence the problem.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 10:33 AM
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Why not... we did it in 1981.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Come on Pig. I loved me some Homer Jordan!
He did regress the next year allowing Mike Eppley to take over. Would we have won a national championship in 1981 with Eppley at QB? That team was loaded, especially on defense.
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Your list answers your question
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Jun 18, 2024, 10:41 AM
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The answer is "yes, if we do it like Bama does it".
We would need a dominant OL and a stable or NLF quality and NFL size RBs. Bama and UGA together have put about 10 Pro-Bowl quality RBs in the league in the last 10 years; we have one. Wanna get there without another Deshaun or Trevor? That's the way you do it.
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didn't Michigan just do that ?***
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Jun 18, 2024, 10:55 AM
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Re: didn't Michigan just do that ?***
Jun 18, 2024, 11:48 AM
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They did it with an incredible DL as well, which was also our formula.
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No, their QB went 10th overall in the NFL draft
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Jun 18, 2024, 12:29 PM
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I don't know what the definition of a generational player is, but if your guys goes in the first round you're not playing with an under dog
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Re: didn't Michigan just do that ?***
Jun 18, 2024, 3:52 PM
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Dude, he was the 10th pick in the draft. He wasn't generational, few are, but not exactly an average QB either.
Give us another early first round QB pick and I would love our chances...
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Impossible is nothing***
Jun 18, 2024, 11:55 AM
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
Jun 18, 2024, 12:02 PM
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If we had an elite offense line and playmakers then yes, but right now I'd say our playmakers and offensive line are average with the potential to maybe surprise some folks.... maybe.
Outside of the interior defensive line and potentially the linebacker unit I don't think there's a single "elite" group on this team. There's good pieces, but not elite units.
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The Jake Coker comment is dumbfounding
Jun 18, 2024, 12:10 PM
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NO he wasn't a generational QB but look at the generational talent on that Alabama team. To answer your question, NO we do not win the '16 or '18 Natty without a "Generational QB". The difference between Clemson and Alabama, Georgia, ect continues to be the OL. Without Watson and Lawrence the OL isn't national championship good.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 12:29 PM
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Definitely if the team is stacked enough. It depends if we can do it. Stetson Bennett is proof of that. I always think about Trent Dilfer winning it all with the Ravens. He was a very average QB. Anyway, obviously we don't need a generational QB, if we are completely stacked everywhere else. Otherwise, we need one.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
Jun 18, 2024, 12:39 PM
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If the quarterback is 25 to 26 years old takes one online class a week and does nothing else but binge watch film for the remainder of the 100+ hours of the week, we can definitely get her done. Graduation is also optional as well.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
Jun 18, 2024, 12:47 PM
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Lets try to walk before we try to run. the last three years we barely had a functional offense. QB, OL and WR was putrid for a number of reasons. Lets hope this year we at least field a functional O which can consistently move the ball. If we do that and with our D, everything will take care of itself.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 1:03 PM
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i dont have a problem with this list overall, i do think joe burrow put up the singular best season, however knowing how good they were overall why exactly did they lose 4 games the previous year? people sometimes memory hole Burrow' career at LSU and pretend he didn't play 2 years there. Burrow had more losses in one year at LSU than Trevor had in his entire clemson career
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
Jun 18, 2024, 1:21 PM
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Prime example of “situation matters””.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 1:19 PM
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Homer Jordan
Close in 78 with Steve Fuller
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
Jun 18, 2024, 1:36 PM
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Was thinking of that this morning. If we don’t fumble it away in a terrible effort at UGA, we play for the national championship in 1978.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 4:38 PM
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Yes
At least would have been in the Orange Bowl
Of course then we would not have seen the Slugger, Woody Hayes
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
Jun 18, 2024, 1:36 PM
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What you also have to remember is we had generational defenses in 16 and 18 and then a generational running back named Etienne when we won in 18. Too much is put on QBs both good and bad and you can win a championship without a great QB but you cannot win without a great team.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 1:39 PM
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Clemson CANNOT win a National Championship with Klubnik as QB. No chance in ####. Not only can he not win the game, he's also been one of the main reasons Clemson has lost some games they should not have.
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Yes. We only need Cade to play as well as Max Duggan.
Jun 18, 2024, 3:34 PM
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He played great, but he wasn’t a generational QB.
Just operate the system as intended, and we will have the potential to win them all.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 3:36 PM
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We did it with Homer Jordan. Different era, for sure. But yes, we can. And yes, we did.
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
Jun 18, 2024, 4:45 PM
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Yeah if you have a Top 3 Defense and one of the best O-Lines in the country with a few playmakers you def can. Ga has just been sticking game managers in there and not make mistakes.
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I think that is unlikely. We don't seem to get enough dudes elsewhere to make
Jun 18, 2024, 4:47 PM
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up the difference, particularly O-line. Don't get me wrong, we get plenty of talent, just not enough to overcome an average QB
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Re: Can Clemson Win a Football National Championship without a Generational QB?
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Jun 18, 2024, 4:55 PM
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All but Stetson and Hurts (2nd round) were 1st round draft picks. Give us another pending 1st round QB and I would really like our chances.
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DW4 and TLaw are Playmakers with High Talent
Jun 18, 2024, 6:47 PM
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we need playmakers . those that know how to win. not generational . just pure gamers
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Re: DW4 and TLaw are Playmakers with High Talent
Jun 18, 2024, 7:40 PM
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Nike that’s very true. Look at the rosters from 2015-2020. There was all time top talent at all the skill positions and most of the defensive positions. Even offensive line had some dudes.
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