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110%er [3646]
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Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:17 PM
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In the semifinals. That’s all
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Re: Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:21 PM
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He was the best in the playoffs period. If Clemson had a real DC they would be in one of these semis at worst. Shame we don't live in what ifs. Hope Dabo gets a guy ready for the job at DC soon.
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Yep, Cade scorched the Horn D for almost 300 yards..
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:25 PM
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While the Texas #3 ranked passing D was giving up less than 100 in the air.
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TigerNet Immortal [171561]
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lol cmon.
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:23 PM
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I wish Cade could go though progressions as quickly as Leonard.
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Paw Warrior [4772]
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Re: lol cmon.
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:25 PM
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You really don't know ball. Leonard is horrible. Make him pass to have a chance. You probably slobber all over SCARs Sellars too dont you.
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Re: lol cmon.
Jan 9, 2025, 11:28 PM
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He can’t help it.
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Nah, you dont know ball.***
Jan 9, 2025, 11:31 PM
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Paw Warrior [4772]
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Re: Nah, you dont know ball.***
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:43 PM
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Dude did you watch ND this year? Leonard shrank in every big games and was a liability for his team via his decision making.
Ohio st or Texas will hold ND to 17 or less. It's going to be a blood bath bc a QB who can't pass for #### won't beat either of those teams right now.
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TigerNet Immortal [171561]
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I named a particularly important QB skill that RL
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:49 PM
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Has developed far more than Cade. It’s obvious to anyone who remotely understands the position.
Cade has traits and attributes that are better than Leonard’s as well.
It’s a moot point at this point, but I’d have put a lot of money on Leonard going earlier in the draft than Cade this season. That’s how I measure “better QB” because I guarantee you it’s how they measure it.
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Paw Warrior [4772]
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Re: I named a particularly important QB skill that RL
Jan 9, 2025, 11:56 PM
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Cade would've been drafted ahead of Leonard this year dude.
You just have a hard on for a mediocre ND QB. I watched Leonard the past 2 years, he makes worse decisions than Cade and puts the ball at risk way too often. Leonard has had the better OL as well so these aren't pressure induced mistakes.
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TigerNet Immortal [171561]
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I ultimately could GAF about Leonard.
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:01 AM
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I’m just laughing at the usual homers talking about our QB (whose decision making has literally lost games this season) now argue how he’s better than any guys in the playoffs, and because he had a great game against Texas, suddenly think the kid’s flaws that have been present for multiple seasons are packed away forever, never to reappear.
Leonard would 1000% have gone before Cade this year. Next year is when Cade can change that by showing he has honed the intangibles that scouts look for.
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Paw Warrior [4772]
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Re: I ultimately could GAF about Leonard.
Jan 10, 2025, 12:06 AM
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You don't know ball. Especially if you're holding the 2022 season against Cade. Dude had nothing around him at all. Bad OL, bad wrs, bad playcalling, etc.
If you think Leonard will be good in the NFL youre high as a kite. He might get drafted in the 2nd round but only bc this draft is devoid of QB talent.
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TigerNet Immortal [171561]
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Ok bro.
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:11 AM
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Good luck with that “every Clemson player is the bestest ever” knowledge base you’re working from.
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Paw Warrior [4772]
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Re: Ok bro.
Jan 10, 2025, 12:15 AM
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You're trying to tell me a guy who has never hit 3k yds passing or more than 20 passing TDs is a superior QB. And you're trying to tell me Cade has better intangibles, you have this completely flipped. Leonard has a better arm and more size and athletic ability. He is not more accurate or a better decision maker. Cade is the better QB.
If you would've said any of the rbs that played today were better than mafah I'd likely agree bc it's mostly true.
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TigerNet Immortal [171561]
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You said the exact opposite of what I said.
Jan 10, 2025, 12:21 AM
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Cade has the better tangibles mostly (I’d still give Leonard the nod on runs), but Leonard has the better intangibles….the things that generally are harder to teach and that become even more important in the NFL, which is why scouts care more about them if a QB’s tangibles are serviceable enough.
And you’re telling me all I need to know about your knowledge by continually going back to yards in a season, as if that’s the primary thing NFL scouts look at.
You would have been arguing with me years ago that Woody Dantzler would be a great NFL QB because of his record production his last season.
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Paw Warrior [4772]
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Re: You said the exact opposite of what I said.
Jan 10, 2025, 12:27 AM
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"Cade has traits and attributes that are better than Leonard’s as well."
Those are intangibles.
Intangibles are traits and attributes(arm strength, speed, size)
Tangibles are accuracy, throwing mechanics, decision making, and general awareness of the game.
And no I thought Woody was a wr.
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Almost.
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:35 AM
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Strength can be measured. That’s a tangible. Speed can be measured. That’s a tangible. Distance you can throw a ball, that’s a tangible because again, it can be measured. Height can be measured - tangible.
Intangibles? Ability to read a defense and quickly adjust. Decision making ability under pressure. Ability to quickly run through progressions to find an open WR streaking instead of honing in on the A receiver—-that’s an intangible. Ability to execute a zone read (plays we basically had to mothball because Cade consistently made the wrong keep/give decision) that’s an intangible. Coolness under pressure - intangible.
Like I said in most, but not all, of the tangibles, Cade is probably ahead of Leonard. In most of the intangibles, which NFL scouts spend most of their scouting budget trying to get a read on, and in most of the intangibles, Leonard has Cade’s number.
Finally, as I also said, that’s as of this moment and again, CADE CAN MAKE STRIDES AND CLEARLY SEPARATE HIMSELF NEXT SEASON.
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Re: Almost.
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:47 AM
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You got me on the intangibles vs tangible.
Embarrassing L for me but I still think Cade was better this year than Leonard and has a higher ceiling. If you swapped QBs ND is still in the championship imo, if Clemson had Leonard I don't think that Clemson wins the ACC.
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TigerNet Immortal [171561]
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Well, seems we have some common ground there at the end of your post.
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Jan 10, 2025, 1:07 AM
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I also think Cade has a much higher ceiling, but if I’m being honest, I worry about how much higher he can go with Tajh developing him. Lot of bad habits from last season should have been gone this year but weren’t, and that’s a trend for our QB’s going back to Stoudt (who is also on the staff now).
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Re: I named a particularly important QB skill that RL
Jan 10, 2025, 10:46 AM
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By watching film of previous games.
FYI, nearly every (if not indeed every) ND game can be rewatched in YouTube as many times as you care to do so.
For one, I rewatch every Clemson game at least once. Doing so works as a peculiar pre-sleep activity for me.
Since the CFP, I’ve watched two ND games (live action) on TV.
Obed is correct as far R.Leonard making quicker progressions. That is obvious; bear in mind that Leonard has one more year of college FB experience than CK2.
If the TX game alone was the basis of CK2’s accuracy skill when compared to R.Leonard’s performance during his 3 CFP games, then CK2 would be clearly superior. However, looking back at CK2’s overall body of work during 2024 season, I think they are ~ same as far as accuracy. CK2 has far superior WRs as targets than Leonard; CK2 made a bunch of somewhat inaccurate throws during the year that were caught because the WR was so wide open that he could significantly alter the last part of his route to adjust to the destination point of the ball before the DB caught up to our WR. Thus, superior WRs available to QB-A can make two QBs with comparable accuracy (QB-A and QB-B) look better than QB-B.
I am optimistic that CK2’s ascent will be noticeable for 2025 vs 2024 season. That’s good enough for us to go deep into CFP next year, maybe we’ll pull off the Big Prize.
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Paw Warrior [5039]
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Re: I named a particularly important QB skill that RL
Jan 11, 2025, 7:05 PM
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HOW do you determine progressions without reading the mind of the QB?
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Re: I named a particularly important QB skill that RL
Jan 10, 2025, 7:34 AM
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Here is an excerpt that is consistent with what most drafts experts think about Leonard
If an NFL team does select Leonard in April, he’d likely be viewed as a developmental prospect or depth option rather than as an immediate starter.
Other draft ‘big boards’ do have Leonard as a lower ranked draft prospect and rate him as a projected sixth round pick.
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3-4th is what Ive consistently seen***
Jan 10, 2025, 8:08 AM
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Re: lol cmon.
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:27 PM
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You can’t be serious bro😂😂😂. Go check out Leonard’s passing yards. Go check out his career stats. None of Leonard’s stats come close to what Cade did this year. Stop drinking
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Tell me where Im wrong?
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:39 PM
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Cade is slow at going through progressions, period. If the defense changes coverages post-snap, he’s screwed. He stares down one receiver and if they don’t get open he dumps it or rolls right. That flaw alone right now would see Leonard going higher in the draft than Cade would have this year.
Does Cade have a better arm, absolutely. Can he pick up some of the position IQ next season that Leonard has now? Absolutely. Does he have it now? Nope.
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Re: Tell me where Im wrong?
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:22 AM
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Idk what you have been watching. Cade is light years better than Leonard. Leonard had the benefit of an all world OL and an elite defense. He isn’t accurate and isn’t nearly the athlete Cade is. Seriously man you just sound like you are trying to argue at a wall at this point. Reminiscent of my ex.
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Im guessing your reading comprehension frustrated your ex as well.
Jan 10, 2025, 12:26 AM
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Like if she said that Leonard read defenses and went through progressions better than Cade, and you replied to that by never mentioning reading defenses or progression speed, I’m guessing she would have realized she was banging her head against a wall also trying to have a discussion with you.
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Re: Im guessing your reading comprehension frustrated your ex as well.
Jan 10, 2025, 12:32 AM
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Check the stats bro. Numbers don’t lie. Cade is better in every way. He did a #### good job reading the #1 pass defense in the country on the road. Leonard will be a 3rd round pick at best. Cade goes 1st round next year.
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TigerNet Immortal [171561]
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Heres what matters for this discussion.
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:38 AM
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Cade goes third round this year too if he went. After Leonard.
I hope you are correct about first round next year, because that would mean he really made a lot of strides in his game. Saying that based on the Texas game though is like declaring DJU a first rounder based on the ND game.
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Re: Tell me where Im wrong?
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Jan 10, 2025, 9:36 AM
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He's just mad because he probably spent so much time bashing Cade last season, and Cade proved everyone wrong this year, so he's doubling down and grasping at straws. Cade is better, case closed.
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Bingo.***
Jan 10, 2025, 11:46 AM
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This what I would say too
Jan 10, 2025, 12:02 PM
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If I found it easier to do amateur psychoanalyses of someone I’ve never met than to actually discuss football.
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Re: lol cmon.
Jan 9, 2025, 11:29 PM
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What are u talking about? Leonard can run and hit a wide open wr that's it.
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Re: lol cmon.
Jan 9, 2025, 11:56 PM
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Is this sarcasm?
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Clemson Conqueror [11267]
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Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:50 PM
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ASU scored 31…. As you saw tonight, 24 wouldn’t even beat ND, certainly not OSU, obviously not Texas. I do think we would beat PSU though.
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Re: Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
Jan 9, 2025, 11:59 PM
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You honestly think ND’s or PSU’s QB is better than Cade this season?
I don’t see it, but to each his own.
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Re: Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
Jan 10, 2025, 12:03 AM
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Crazy were back to this, hating on a QB that's played insanely good football. 3 weeks ago people were sweating bullets Cade was going pro.
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TigerNet Immortal [171561]
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Ahhh thats the disconnect.
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:05 AM
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You’re equating not smooching his assss and pretending he has no flaws in his game is “hating on” him.
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Re: Ahhh thats the disconnect.
Jan 10, 2025, 12:09 AM
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There's no disconnect you just don't know ball. Cade finally had weapons this year and it showed. No QB is immune to mistakes from time to time but Leonard is a senior and makes worse mistakes than Cade does right now. What did Cade throw 5 ints and maybe 5 more turnover worthy throws. Leonard has thrown significantly more turnover worthy balls and is a straight liability when kept in the pocket.
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TigerNet Immortal [171561]
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lol, and Cade isnt a liability in the pocket?
Jan 10, 2025, 12:12 AM
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Assuming he hasn’t prematurely abandoned the pocket to play hero ball and scramble.
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Re: Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:10 AM
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Where did you get that from, literally said I love him. I think Cade is a really good QB, potential to be great. But the name of the game is winning and scoring points, he could only muster 24 points against a Texas team that gave up 31 to ASU. Unless our new D coordinator is pitching shut outs, which just doesn’t happen. Todays game, 24 points is not enough to beat a top 5-10 team.
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Careful man. Hes gonna put the finishing move on you
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:13 AM
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And say “you don’t know ball”.
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We had no running game which has more to do with our point total than
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:16 AM
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Cade not being good enough, he was pretty #### good vs Texas.
ASU scored 7 in OT so we scored the same on Texas in regulation.
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Re: Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
Jan 10, 2025, 12:17 AM
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Need to have more than a passing game to beat good teams. Not having a rb hurt and the fact Dabo force fed an injured Mafah instead of getting guys expierence hurt.
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Re: Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
Jan 10, 2025, 12:22 AM
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I understand, but without Cade how many points does Clemson score.
Literally 1 yard away from the game being tied at 31 a piece in the 4th. And how was that even possible? Because of Cade.
How many points did Texas give up in regulation during the season? ASU scored how many points in OT?
NIU defeated ND this season 16-14. Apparently they only need 16 points to win against a playoff team.
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Re: Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
Jan 10, 2025, 12:24 AM
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Cade did that with O running game and O rush defense. Come on HLRT, you are smarter than that.
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Re: Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
Jan 10, 2025, 9:38 AM
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the difference is, ASU had a sledgehammer at running back, we didn't. And you dont think we exposed a few things ASU could exploit against Texas?
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Re: Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:19 AM
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I never said we could beat any of the teams, bro. I said Cade was the best QB of the 4 teams. Please feel free to provide evidence why he isn’t
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Re: Bro, love him but he scored 24 points
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If the parameter for ‘best QB’ is simply the QB’s performance during CFP games, then I’d agree that CK2 is the best QB.
If the body of work for 2nd half of 2024 season is considered along with CFP games -&- if the differential in the quality of WR targets available to each QB are taken into consideration, then CK2 clearly isn’t the best.
I don’t care about 2024 season QB comparisons any longer since our season ended with the TX game.
I am interested in whether CK2 continues his upward ascent for the 2025 season. I am very optimistic.
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Too much logic for these guys.
Jan 10, 2025, 12:05 PM
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They still haven’t admitted they were wrong from declaring DJU the next coming of Deshaun Watson after he had a good game against Notre Dame. They’re just doing the same thing now after a good Texas game.
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Better passer and faster than either guy tonight but
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:53 PM
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both the guys tonight can do something Cade can’t and that’s continually move the chains with their inside runs. And that is a big part of what those 2 teams do and when you add in that both backs are also better than anyone we had that can be lethal.
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Re: Better passer and faster than either guy tonight but
Jan 10, 2025, 12:30 AM
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Both teams had elite o lines and elite defenses. You can’t compare NDs offense to Clemson. Due to ND having no receivers and Leonard’s inability as a passer they relied heavily on Leonard’s run game. Which wouldn’t have been possible without one of the best offensive lines in college football. Honestly it’s mind blowing that people are trying to argue that ####### drew allar and Riley Leonard are better QBs than Cade after the season he had.
Stats don’t lie homey. Proof is in the pudding, it simple math.
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Proof is in the pudding.
Jan 10, 2025, 1:03 AM
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Go compare Leonard’s game against UGA and Louisville vs Cade’s. How about Cade’s 45 QBR vs Louisville? Or 37 QBR vs UGA? (Leonard’s were 70’s for both those games.).
You’re also getting tripped up by your own logic. You just said ND has no receivers but yet you want to keep spouting total passing yards as the measuring stick for the two QB’s? LOL.
And please, Clemson’s OL was not hot garbage this year. Shallow maybe, but Luke had them performing very well. That’s such a 2023 excuse.
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Re: Proof is in the pudding.
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Hey man, your right in your evaluation... but remember your dealing with rah rah boys on this site... no critical thinking skills...it's about the TU to these guys..
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exactly why there's still a chance CK2 is the last 5 Star QB1 recruit***
Jan 10, 2025, 5:23 AM
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Re: Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
Jan 10, 2025, 6:44 AM
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And our D (DC) was worst than the rest too .. all four teams would have pounded us on the ground with the inability to adjust.
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Re: Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
Jan 10, 2025, 7:05 AM
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If we had a defense we would be in the championship game..your fault Dabo for putting Wes as DC...
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Re: Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
Jan 10, 2025, 9:02 AM
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He was the best QB in the playoffs. It's a shame our D was so bad.
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Re: Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
Jan 10, 2025, 9:47 AM
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If I had to rank the QB's so far, its:
McCord
Klubnik
Ewers
Leonard
Allar
Gabriel
Rourke
Stockton
Jennings
Leavitt
Madsen
lamaleava
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Re: Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
Jan 10, 2025, 11:07 AM
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Gabriel is better at this stage than CK2.
OH State will make any opposing QB look bad. OH State’s defense is mikes better than TX’s defense.
This will become clear tonight.
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Some of yall have selective memories
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:01 AM
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Not specifically about Cade, but more our offense as a whole. We couldn't run the ball against anyone with a pulse. Our offense was very inconsistent and capable of doing nothing for quarters or even halves at a time, probably in large part due to the absence of the running game.
Defense was definitely the biggest issue, but assuming our offense would play well enough to beat 3 very good teams in a row is a bit of a stretch to me, especially if that 3rd team is Ohio State. We scored 7 pts through 3q against Louisville. We got shut out in the 1st half at VT. We had something bizarre like 1 or 2 first downs the entire 2nd half at Pitt before Cades game winning run. We scored 0 pts in the last 25 minutes against SC. We scored 3 in the entire game against Georgia. We did very little against SMU once they stopped turning the ball over inside their own 40. This was not a consistently good offense.
The offensive performance at Texas was encouraging, and given the stage and opponent, maybe the best and most impressive showing of the year. But even that was 28 pts and 412 yards. It's not like we were consistently dropping 30+ on good teams. In fact, we broke 30 exactly once against a team with a pulse (SMU), and that was largely because SMU kept turning the ball over and giving us short fields. We only had a little over 300 yards of offense in that game.
We definitely have some good pieces on offense, but I'd pump the brakes a bit on our offense being one of the best in the country. I think for that to happen we need to see some more progress from the OL under Luke (very possible), and the emergence of a couple of good backs (a bit more dubious IMO).
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Re: Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
Jan 10, 2025, 11:48 AM
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But where would Clemson rank in setting the edge defensively for the teams remaining?
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Re: Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
Jan 11, 2025, 7:05 PM
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One player can’t make a team!
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Re: Cade Klubnik is better than all 4 QBs
Jan 11, 2025, 8:56 PM
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In the semifinals. That’s all
He has lost every big game he has ever played in College.
That is a fact
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