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Recruit [97]
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Cade is much better than DJ
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I can’t wait to watch him this season
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 20, 2024, 11:08 PM
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It’s time for him to prove it
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Legend [6782]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 3:02 AM
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Check Cade's first year stats as qb1 vs dj first year as qb1... not even close, Cade by a mile. PLUS Lawrence made it possible for DJ to get many in game reps the year prior between his excellence and covid... No reasonable excuse for those 2021 stats. I'm not saying Cade is without problems but he is an upgrade from dj.
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Campus Hero [13783]
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It actually is kind of close
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Apr 21, 2024, 10:23 AM
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Don't know why people pretend otherwise. There's plenty of data to look at.
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Orange Elite [5109]
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A senior qb completing less than 57% of passes
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Apr 21, 2024, 3:07 PM
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Behind a top 10 o-line, compared to a sophomore completing 64% of his passes behind a patchwork OL / WR corps and a first year OC in a new system
I don’t see the comparison being that close at all
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Campus Hero [13783]
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So you are going to judge them based solely on completion %?
Apr 22, 2024, 11:26 AM
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Cade throws a ton of short passes in our offense which pads completion %. I'm not really trying to defend DJ here because i truly don't believe he's a particularly good QB, but he averaged 8.4 yards per attempt last year despite the low completion %. Cade averaged 6.3.
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Solid Orange [1326]
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Re: So you are going to judge them based solely on completion %?
Apr 22, 2024, 12:48 PM
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DJ would have to be closer than 10 feet to hit a barn wall.
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
Apr 21, 2024, 7:16 PM
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Last season went down hill in Duke game end of first half. Clemson going long FG 50 yards plus but Dabo second guessed himself switched to punt. From then on Clemson couldn’t hit short FGs. After not trying long FG Clemson lost their momentum.
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Orange Elite [5127]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
Apr 21, 2024, 7:24 PM
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I know people are concerned to see if Cade and the offense have improved over last year, but you brought up a point that concerns me. Field goal kicking.
That was an Achilles heel for us last season, and that hurt our offensive production tremendously. We have to be able to score 3 whenever we move inside the opponent’s 35. If not, it may cost us a couple of games we cannot afford to lose.
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Rival Killer [2875]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
Apr 22, 2024, 12:06 PM
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Very good point and I'm not sure why I didn't think of that.
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Clemson Icon [27053]
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You wish***
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Apr 20, 2024, 11:10 PM
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Recruit [97]
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Re: You wish***
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Apr 20, 2024, 11:15 PM
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Correct
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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Here you go Ayatollah....
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Apr 21, 2024, 4:06 AM
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DJU soph season:54%comp\9TD\10INT\2200 yds
CK soph season:64%comp\19TD\9INT\2800 yds
Just the facts but Allah Akbar and the rest of that islamoterrorist mindset that is represented in the foundations of Islam and clearly evident in it's codex the quran\koran where it presupposes a natural state only achieved by the establishment of Sharia law and demands a strict adherence to the doctrine-
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Campus Hero [13783]
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Cade attempted 80 more passes
Apr 21, 2024, 10:31 AM
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Yards per attempt was 6.3 for Cade and 6.0 for DJ. Cade was better, but not by miles. Biggest difference is clearly the TD/INT ratio, but Cade was honestly lucky to not have more balls picked off last year. He had a lot of close calls.
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Orange Elite [5109]
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The 10% completion percentage delta is huge
Apr 21, 2024, 4:21 PM
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Coaches will tell you that you really have to complete >60% of your passes to reliably sustain drives.
Even last year Cade had a 7% completion percentage edge against DJ (sophomore vs senior year)
The place where Cade has the most room to grow doesn’t really show up on the stat sheet. Aside from doing better climbing up into the pocket, it’s more the situational stuff.
- checking down to the open outlet rather than forcing balls (that will increase his completion % another 5% alone) and will improve our 3rd down conversion % and red zone efficiency
- throwing the ball away rather than run out of bounds 2-3 behind the LOS
- being more aware of the down and first down marker when carrying the ball. A few times last year he had chances to pick up 3rd down conversions on runs and left a little on the table coming up short. (I feel like this is the most frustrating because our last 4-5 qb’s seemed to innately have this)
I wonder if the in game comms will aid in his development on the situational side
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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HELLO on what planet are you currently?....
Apr 22, 2024, 5:06 AM
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Not a huge Cade fan but to call the comparison close belies an extreme bias and/or idiocy. Inane musings are better left in the head than in the message square-
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Game Day Hero [4485]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 20, 2024, 11:32 PM
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How is Texas holding onto Manning?
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 7:20 AM
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$$$$$$ Manning was never that good anyway.
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Game Changer [1929]
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Not impressed. On one of those passes, the
Apr 21, 2024, 9:42 AM
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WR had to reach for the ball. (turn your sarca-meter on.)
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Orange Beast [6367]
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patience on the Manning family side***
Apr 21, 2024, 8:29 AM
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he should be gone
he could probably start at any SEC school or Clemson or FSU
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Re: patience on the Manning family side***
Apr 21, 2024, 7:07 PM
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If he actually had brain he would have left sophomore season for Ole Miss. He would have fit perfect in this offense of scheme. He appears to prefer riding bench. Must get paid more to bench sit at Texas than start at Ole Miss.
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 12:30 AM
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Not much in the results department to back that up. In the end, that's what counts.
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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the empirical data is clear, some are blinded by confirmation bias****
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Apr 21, 2024, 4:17 AM
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Orange Immortal [63514]
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it was confirmed that DJ threw it into the dirt and Cade beat UNC
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Apr 21, 2024, 4:27 AM
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for the ACC Championship. Stats be dammned, Cade achieved more than DJ ever did. Although that pick 6 to Georgia was mighty sweet, I have to admit.
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Orange Blooded [2528]
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Re: it was confirmed that DJ threw it into the dirt and Cade beat UNC
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Apr 21, 2024, 8:07 AM
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😂 not arguing against your point but hasn’t Cade given other teams like 35 points? 😂
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Game Changer [1929]
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I don't recall CK throwing the ball into the arms
Apr 21, 2024, 9:44 AM
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of a defender on a middle screen like DJU did against Pitt.
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Re: the empirical data is clear, some are blinded by confirmation bias****
Apr 21, 2024, 4:07 PM
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The data is close. And as these are different years, different players, it is difficult to draw a definite winner. But when looking at the team performance, not seeing any difference. Cade has not raised our level. he doesn't take teh team on his back and take us higher. DW won us a championship, on his back. TL did the same. He hasn't done that yet. I'm still waiting, but time is running out. be realistic here.
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Clemson Sports Icon [57464]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 2:26 AM
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Well...Cade did win the starting job over DJ at Clemson. So, there's that.
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Orange Blooded [2528]
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Apr 21, 2024, 3:15 AM
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Cade sucks in every aspect of the game
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 4:30 AM
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I’m sure he feels the same about you. The kid is very talented and he will only get better, we do have a kid from Daniel that can play some ball too.
Dabo might start giving him a few series in every game to see the clear cut winner rise to the top.
Stetson Been-it has paved the road to back to back National Championship’s by A walk-on.
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Orange Blooded [2528]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 7:42 AM
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That’s fine. I don’t play positions I’m not good at.
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CU Medallion [20710]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 10:40 AM
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Stick to baseball!
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Orange Blooded [2528]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 10:48 AM
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Cyber bullies look at y’all go 😂
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Heisman Winner [78278]
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I figured you would long ago committed bored suicide.
Apr 21, 2024, 7:20 PM
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Noted..
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Orange Blooded [2528]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 8:02 AM
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I don’t tell people what to talk about. I bet I could talk circles around you. Enjoy your day. Keep supporting Cade all you want. I support Clemson football not individual players
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Game Day Hero [4410]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
Apr 21, 2024, 7:43 AM
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As we sit here today April 21 2024, how do you come to that conclusion. Based on their play on the field they’re pretty equal.
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Orange Blooded [2528]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 7:45 AM
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Because ones at Clemson and the other left Clemson. Plain and simple. Bias
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Gridiron Giant [15770]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
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Apr 21, 2024, 7:53 AM
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I think alot of people are still trying to convince themselves of that 🤔
GO TIGERS!!!
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Clemson Icon [27616]
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I was better than
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Apr 21, 2024, 8:03 AM
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DJ And I’m 83 and have never played a snap of football !
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Apr 21, 2024, 8:48 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out who rated each of them a 5 star prospects? DJU has poor mechanics, terrible footwork and can't throw accurately. While Cade lacks arm strength, no pocket presence, poor decision making, a weak arm and plays like a deer in the headlights. Put the 2 of them together and I don't see how you even come out with a 2 star prospect.
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
Apr 21, 2024, 9:29 AM
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Did anyone look into DJ’s eyesight? He tossed/pitched the ball to a defender several times. Maybe his eyesight is why he would overthrow or throw it in the dirt
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That seem reasonable true... but is that ENOUGH?
Apr 21, 2024, 9:45 AM
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Orange Blooded [4607]
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Reality is
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Apr 21, 2024, 10:21 AM
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No amount of DJ slander will escape the fact that Cade was below average as our starter, and was 12th out of 14th in ACC QBR last season.
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Ring of Honor [23578]
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Cade is more like Kelly Bryant, not Deshaun or TL. Folks need to understand that
Apr 21, 2024, 12:48 PM
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CU Medallion [20751]
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Kelly Bryant was better IMHO***
Apr 21, 2024, 1:22 PM
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CU Medallion [18392]
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His numbers as a first-year starter equal DJ's as a 2nd-year starter,
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Apr 21, 2024, 3:20 PM
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when he led us to 7-0, ultimately 8-0 with Cade's Syracuse save.
The ceiling can only be higher for CK as we are already there regarding his predecessor.
Go Tigers.
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
Apr 21, 2024, 7:09 PM
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How Cade be better against UGA than DJU when his pick 6 was game winner to Dawgs
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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Standard f___ing English please ****
Apr 22, 2024, 5:15 AM
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
Apr 21, 2024, 7:30 PM
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Neither of them have so far been anything to write home about but their records at Clemson have some separation. DJ was 22-6 as a starter and Cade is 9-5.
My hope is that Cade loses no more than 1 game this year and eliminates that gap.
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Offensive Star [308]
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Re: Cade is much better than DJ
Apr 22, 2024, 7:07 AM
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Cade is better than DJ but that doesn’t mean he is good. Question is will he progress as a QB this year? We haven’t seen a QB get better year over year here in a while.
The passing game is the elephant in the room that will determine success for us in 2024.
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