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Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
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Mar 25, 2024, 11:59 AM
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Again, not pulling a Judge.
Really think this is decent and remember only 15 are in power conferences including Big East. I dont think there is not much difference in teams with a budget of $8 million and a little over $10. A lot of that extra goes into things like advertising and incentive. Purdue is only 0.8 more than Clemson and has a very strong basketball program...
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How in the world is Iowa St spending that much on bball?***
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
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Mar 25, 2024, 12:23 PM
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But most of list spends 150% more than we do and we are 2nd least in spend. Not surprised.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Yet many people here think we spend plenty on basketball
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Mar 25, 2024, 12:39 PM
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and just need a better coach.
These people are clueless as to what we spend, as well as how little this is compared to most other schools.
Derp!
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Re: Yet many people here think we spend plenty on basketball
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Mar 25, 2024, 1:05 PM
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So explain how Purdue does so well, so often. Derp!
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Well, for starters, Purdue is a basketball school.
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Mar 25, 2024, 1:17 PM
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They have an outstanding basketball history, in a state known for its love of basketball.
They sell out their nearly 15,000 seat arena every home game, going back several years.
They rank in the top 10 nationally in attendance each year.
So if you want to magically transport Clemson to a basketball-crazy state, and also magically give us the robust basketball history Purdue has, perhaps our $8 million will go farther (although giving us the nearly $1 million extra Purdue spends each year would be nice also). Then we can compare.
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Re: Well, for starters, Purdue is a basketball school.
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Mar 25, 2024, 3:37 PM
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So you're going to go with "history"....and $800k.....I'm sure coaching has nothing to do with according to you. LOL
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Game Changer [1999]
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Re: Well, for starters, Purdue is a basketball school.
Mar 25, 2024, 5:49 PM
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As if more people in Littlejohn is going to make Brownell a better coach.
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Re: Well, for starters, Purdue is a basketball school.
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Mar 25, 2024, 5:49 PM
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They also only have one transfer player - a grad transfer. And the announcers said NIL was the last thing he asked about. He just wanted to know how he could help the team. Imagine having that level of success with home grown player and without fully utilizing this tool that is now available and all other teams are using a lot more.
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Mens basketball operates at a budget surplus.
Mar 25, 2024, 3:31 PM
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It doesn’t need or receive money from football.
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Re: Mens basketball operates at a budget surplus.
Mar 25, 2024, 6:52 PM
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So you're telling me that the $40,000,000 upgrades will come from that surplus?
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Clemson basketball as a whole loses money...
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Mar 28, 2024, 8:50 AM
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The profit the men's basketball team makes isn't enough to cover the proposed projects or women's basketball's expenses. Clemson basketball depends on Clemson football. This is not debatable, it's math, and it's why Clemson football is prioritized over the other sports.
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
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Mar 25, 2024, 12:37 PM
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I think the most significant figure is that Duke is almost 2X UNC.
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Dynasty Maker [3324]
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
Mar 25, 2024, 3:56 PM
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^^^^ yes that is what stood out to me from this list! Duke spending almost double what UNC spends 😳. With the success of this year making it to the Sweet 16 I hope we increase that budget.
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
Mar 28, 2024, 9:00 AM
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That’s bc Duke has always been basketball first and by a huge margin. Elko would have stayed if Duke matched tamu money but that was never going to happen. They will just look for another diamond in the rough. UNC, while it hasn’t shown up in their record and trophy case, does care about football a lot more than Duke… just look at the stadium and football facilities, coaching hires, etc. Unc wants to be up their with the big dogs in football it just hasn’t worked out and Duke is fine with having an 8-9 win season every few years and being competitive as long as Cameron is rocking.
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Once again, Brad is doing more with less.
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Mar 25, 2024, 12:38 PM
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And $2 million is a huge difference when it represents 25% of your budget.
Us spending $10 million a year on the program, rather than just $8 million, wouldn't get us to the level I'd like to see, but it would still represent progress.
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San Diego St
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Mar 25, 2024, 12:41 PM
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Made it to the final four last season and they spend less then we do.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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That's great.
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Mar 25, 2024, 1:04 PM
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Billy Bob also won $1 million playing scratch-offs, but I think we all know that's the exception rather than the rule, and isn't the best wealth-building strategy.
I'd like to put our program in the best position possible to be successful. That means funding it a lot better, because the most successful programs tend to be the ones which are funded well.
Expecting our basketball coaches to make us successful with subpar funding is ridiculous. It would never fly for football, so why is it okay for basketball?
I would argue that funding is even MORE critical for Clemson basketball's success, because we are a football school with a poor basketball history, playing in a top basketball conference. We need every advantage we can get. In this case, I don't even expect to be at a funding advantage - let's just remove it as a disadvantage by giving our program more resources.
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Paw Master [16276]
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Re: That's great.
Mar 25, 2024, 4:46 PM
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I am happy to see so many strong Clemson supporters here on TI ready to spend more of their hard earned cash on Tiger basketball. The 110 society says you can be all in for $5000/year. 100 TI spenders could buy us a player or 2 per year.
What? Oh, you were planning to spend somebody else's money to improve Clemson basketball?
It is always easier to spend someone else's money, isn't it?
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that would be an outlier***
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Re: Once again, Brad is doing more with less.
Mar 25, 2024, 12:48 PM
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And $2 million is a huge difference when it represents 25% of your budget.
Us spending $10 million a year on the program, rather than just $8 million, wouldn't get us to the level I'd like to see, but it would still represent progress.
How do you know these figures are not up to date? Purdue has a great program and not even at 9m.
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Legend [6804]
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Re: Once again, Brad is doing more with less.
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Mar 25, 2024, 1:18 PM
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Who said they are not up to date?
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Has Brad asked for anything that Clemson refused?***
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Mar 25, 2024, 1:26 PM
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Yes, but thats true for every school.
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Mar 25, 2024, 3:32 PM
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Other schools renovate facilities too, you know.
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Rival Killer [2630]
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It's Brad's fault. Basketball spends what they make
Mar 25, 2024, 4:32 PM
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If the program won more and generated more interest they would make more and could spend more.
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Not to be overly argumentative, but for just $800k more per year we
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Mar 25, 2024, 12:44 PM
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should expect this?
2017-18 30-7
2018-19 26-10
2019-20 16-15
2020-21 18-10
2021-22 29-8
2022-23 29-6
2023-24 31-4
These are Purdue's records over the last 7 seasons.
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Re: Not to be overly argumentative, but for just $800k more per year we
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Mar 25, 2024, 12:50 PM
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If we used it to buy Zach Edey we’d be elite
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
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Mar 25, 2024, 12:48 PM
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I'd like to see the line item comparisons between us and Duke to understand where their additional money is going.
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
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Mar 25, 2024, 2:21 PM
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No kidding. My first thought is "what is Duke spending the money on?". IF a large part of this is "tuition", then I think that needs to be separated out. Need to evaluate apples to apples as best we can.
There is only so much money you can throw at the issue. Could we (Clemson) do better, sure. Am I in favor of providing more resources to help, it depends. I don't really think individual play station 10s in every locker is something we need to pursue just because XYZ school is doing it. I don't want to put our team at a disadvantage, but I am not in favor of throwing money around just to keep up with the Jones in regard to frivolous expenses.
If our team needs additional work out or meeting space because its hard to share with other groups using the same space/ then ok, lets work on it. Do we need another analyst position to help break down film so that individual reports can be generated for each player to help improve their performance. I can get on board with that. But if this just comes back to head coach salaries, then I am ok with giving our assistants raises on par with current league teams/ maybe slightly better for continuity reasons. Our head coach, provide him with a contract that does not work against him in regards to recruiting (5 year period). But I dont think we need to greatly increase his contract to where its detrimental to Clemson in the future if we have to make a change.
If some other school really wants him bad enough, then we will just have to live through that change. But after 14 years, if it has not happened already, I dont think there are going to be many schools out there that want to buy our coach.
All that to say, Way to go Tigers! Nice win Yesterday! That is why I picked you to beat Baylor in my Bracket! I knew our Team had the talent to do it! Now go out and make me eat crow and take down the Wildcats.
Go Tigers!
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We have 8 assistants now. I don't know what they do***
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In fairness...
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Mar 25, 2024, 12:48 PM
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schools like Marquette, Gonzaga, UConn and even Duke are spending so much because they don't really have anything else. Heck...most Duke students didn't even realize the school had a football team until they walked past the stadium on the way to Cameron. Also, all schools have differing budget reporting preferences so this is unlikely an apples-to-apples comparison.
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and they probably didn't spend 50 mil previously.***
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pulling a Geeville tiger.. where do these numbers come from?***
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thank you***
Mar 25, 2024, 1:31 PM
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
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Mar 25, 2024, 2:01 PM
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Curious to know what costs they are covering that Clemson is not.
It could be costs of travel for major regular season games which is an expense that Clemson doesn't have because we aren't in made for tv games.
While we seem to be at the bottom of budget, I'd really like to know what the coach is requesting that he hasn't received.
and where did they get their numbers because Duke is a private school and doesn't release information like that.
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
Mar 25, 2024, 6:11 PM
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I agree with you. What is Brownell requesting that he has not received. Has he requested something and been told no? IPTAY just shook me down for money to the next level to keep my parking. IPTAY staff has cut zero costs. I want to support the coaches and fund what is necessary to be a top 25 team.
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I agree, IPTAY can
Mar 25, 2024, 7:06 PM
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keep the stupid/ cheap cups they sent me.. Magazine is not that special either. Keep those cost and redirect to Athletes.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
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Mar 25, 2024, 2:39 PM
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After seeing those numbers, I have come up with 1 conclusion... Duke is wasting a lot of money.
My 2nd conclusion is that another million to the basketball team budget is warranted as a reward for 2 good seasons.
Go Tigers!!! Let's support success!!!
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Re: Budgets of sweet sixteen teams...
Mar 25, 2024, 3:41 PM
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Duke, $28 million a year, really? Wow and why? Zion, Cooper, and co. must be demanding luxury cars, penthouses and steep monthly stipends...
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Orange Elite [5427]
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How does UNC spend half that of Duke?
Mar 25, 2024, 5:39 PM
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What the heck is Duke spending all that money on?
This doesn’t include NIL, right?
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Re: How does UNC spend half that of Duke?
Mar 25, 2024, 6:01 PM
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NIL is not paid by the school, so no
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