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Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 8:25 AM
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I think overall I’m a fan of Cade. Appreciate the hunger and the fact that he’s a gamer but certainly has questionable decision making. Have been saying most of the year that he seemingly has no deep hall. He just throws it up and far and it’s pretty well a toss up between the defender and receiver if the ball is even close to anyone at all and not overthrown by 5 yards. Sometimes it almost seems that if he thinks the man is covered instead of throwing it away he will just throw towards them down field and make sure it’s overthrown, but would think that can’t be the case.
I never post on here but it’s been bugging me so figured I’d see what y’all had to say because if he has even a semblance of a deep ball last night we score atleast two more touchdowns.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Cade is an elite talent that’s not being used correctly with an Average O-line . Yeah he makes some bone head plays that will slow down as he grows.
When he gets in a rhythm the dude can sling the ball.
His stats this season are actually pretty good .
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Nov 19, 2023, 8:36 AM
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I also think part of it is that we don't have any WR's who can consistently separate themselves. No one with that last little "extra gear" on long routes. Maybe we should let Nate Wiggins play some WR. 
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Nov 19, 2023, 11:14 AM
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Wiggins getting a few reps at WR. Now that is pure genius secgrowa ...
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:28 AM
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I disagree on the elite talent after watching him for a full year. He is an above average college QB at this point that does not see the field very good, makes bad decisions in critical situations, and does not seem to have a great deep ball as the poster mentioned.
I hope this all comes with maturity and the experience he gained this year.
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Standout [341]
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His decision making has been outstanding the past 3 games
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:55 AM
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He has stopped drifting back and is starting to use his legs when a receiver isn’t open.
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It's skill development, he has the talent.
Nov 19, 2023, 8:17 PM
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That which was wrong with Cade early this year has decreased. It will be gone mid season next year.
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Standout [341]
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Have you seen the last 3 games. The Oline is no longer average
Nov 19, 2023, 9:53 AM
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The run blocking has been dominate and they are picking up the blitz’s
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Not dominant, but better. Also played bad defenses.***
Nov 19, 2023, 6:22 PM
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That's Cade not expecting them to hold a block for half an hour.
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Nov 19, 2023, 8:21 PM
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He is making decisions quicker. He's actually hitting crossing routes which develop much sooner than deep throws. He's stepping back but not to take two seconds to decide whether to keep the ball, hand it off or throw it. The RPO is history but it might crop up in next week or in the bowl game.
I believe he is doing it well in practice but just isn't there during our games.
That's not to say our O-line isn't doing better. They are, but that's not the biggest reason we've been successful lately. That's CADE!
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Re: Cades Deep ball
Nov 19, 2023, 11:29 AM
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Cade is an above average talent who is slowly learning how to properly play the college game - where everyone is as good an athlete as he is.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
Nov 19, 2023, 7:05 PM
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I think Cades physical ability is elite, but his Football IQ is below average. I’ve said this over and over, Dabo needs to go out and hire the best QB coach money can buy.
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That ain't right and neither is the OP.
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Nov 19, 2023, 8:15 PM
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Why was it UNC ran for so many yards? Because of the deep threat Maye presented. That's the same reason we ran for so many yards all year. Everyone we and UNC played respected Maye's and Cade's deep passing ability they had to set their defense to keep everything underneath. That's how we stopped UNC's drives by doing a VB scheme and bending without breaking.
The OP has not noticed that Cade has been getting better and better at hitting receivers in stride coming across the field 'Underneath.' Maye is masterful at hitting a crossing receiver in stride which allowed his receivers to advance the ball, at times for many more yards.
Cade has been doing better at that too. That play wasn't called much because Cade was throwing over and at behind the route which is a turnover waiting to happen. He hit three of those and ND's coaching staff attempted to adjust and our run game took off, ask Mafah. Cade hit those against GT and they too hadn't figured out he had turned that corner. Over the season the RPO was practically taken out of the play calling.
Mack Brown isn't blind. He was setup to defend the underneath crossing routes but Cade was so sharp at times they couldn't do anything with it. All those are potential game changers because of the extra yards they potentially get.
If we're going to comment on details and explain what we know that the coaches don't know we ought to justify our contentions with an overall look at more than just one game.
Cade will be as good as Maye toward the end of next season. We will speak of him in the same category with DW, Tajh and Trevor.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
Nov 20, 2023, 3:04 AM
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He's a couple years in now. DW and TL were at the same point 2 years in . . . oh, ummm . .no they weren't.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 8:39 AM
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You haven’t watched him much, Cade has a beautiful deep ball that allows the WRs to make plays and get PI calls. We don’t let him throw deep enough to build that confidence just like with DJ. We also have had trouble with allowing time for plays to develop. Cade can do it and it’s the only piece missing in the offense. Many QBs are gonna struggle going deep if they only do it once a game.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:25 AM
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Not sure how you can quantify how much I’ve watched him based off of my question? He also probably threw it deep atleast 5 times last night into absolute empty space 5 yards past anyone so don’t give me the we don’t let him air it out. We had two plays with only Brown and the end zone downfield and they were overthrown. The topic isn’t his physical ability to throw the deep ball it’s why we can’t seem to get any successful deep ball connections against a decent secondary.
Again, not being negative because I’ve defended him all year, just asking for discussion on the topic to give me some insight. Save me the “you haven’t watched him enough” like it was a dipsh:t observation on my part.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
Nov 19, 2023, 6:33 PM
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I remember the opening drive shot but can you refresh my memory on the other missed shot to brown? I will also point out that the wrs and TEs drop alot of balls and lose most contested catches this year. A few ints and near ints are from tipped balls and wrs flipping the ball into the air can think of about 5 this year alone that were either ints or near ints.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
Nov 19, 2023, 7:01 PM
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Exactly
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Standout [341]
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The receivers being injured has played a big role in
Nov 19, 2023, 9:58 AM
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the lack of the deep ball this season
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You can't spend 10 minutes waiting on a receiver to get free is the QB....
Nov 19, 2023, 8:36 PM
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is staring at him from the snap of the ball until he's chased out of the pocket. Both QBs did that. DJ probably won't ever stop. Cade actually decreased that habit continuously throughout this season.
I believe it's because neither knew where their secondary receiver was after the snap. When a QB can hit that #2 receiver after looking at his primary the announcer, and all the fans say, 'He looked them off,' speaking of course about the safetys and entire secondary. Some release the guy they're guarding.
I saw Cade do that more and more this season and build his accuracy to hitting crossing routes underneath. Previously that was a popped up ball and interception or potential interception. The coaches called hook routes in those areas for DJ mostly and early this season for Cade.
Cade his three of those against ND which tried to defend against it, a few more against GT and Mack Brown defended it so we hit a wheel route, ran for a ton of yards on offense and kept Maye's deep throws to a few. Good coaching from both sidelines but we had the better defense.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 8:39 AM
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He has a strong arm and can throw with touch. But I agree, something about throwing open deep routes seems like he is just trying to get it in the vicinity instead of throwing the WR open.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
Nov 19, 2023, 12:19 PM
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I don't agree that he has that strong of an arm.
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Nov 19, 2023, 8:45 AM
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I fully agree w OP.
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Legend [7068]
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his deep throw is elite
Nov 19, 2023, 8:47 AM
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i felt so bad for Hannifin
he missed the ball on his TD opp
but tbh he came running in due to Collins injury and just scrambled -- he's a star in the making
he got so wide open
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So that is what happened. Did not realize it at the game, but Hanafin was not
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Nov 19, 2023, 8:52 AM
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ready. He never even knew the ball was coming to him..But...he did get behind them....
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Re: So that is what happened. Did not realize it at the game, but Hanafin was not
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:27 AM
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Yea hated to see that, we were clueless. Was with my cousin who is a coot but he was being cool and not talking bad about our tigers and he mentioned it looking like it was dummy route that got thrown too which is what it looked like…just a funny observation on an unfortunate play
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Re: So that is what happened. Did not realize it at the game, but Hanafin was not
Nov 19, 2023, 6:35 PM
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The clear out route is a quick check those guys should be looking for the ball but there was definitely a communication issue there.
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Re: So that is what happened. Did not realize it at the game, but Hanafin was not
Nov 19, 2023, 7:58 PM
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ready. He never even knew the ball was coming to him..But...he did get behind them....
Good example of being critical of Cade being "in the vicinity". He was under a heavy rush and made a decent throw. It could have been a little closer but the receiver never looked for the ball nor made any adjustment to attempt a catch. In years past we have had numerous receivers that would go up and catch a 50/50 ball. Nobody like that on this years team - high pointing the ball has been a lost art for this years group.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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I think he needs to realize her is not as fast as he thinks he is. He gets run down (many times from behind) by lineman when decides to save the "game". I blame his poor decision making on the coaches as much as on Cade. He needs to know he is not in high school any more and out run most of the players on the field. Just not true even in the ACC. I'm also kind of tired of hearing he is learning / getting better. Seems like all the better first year QB's start having an impact after two or three games. At this rate he will be ineligible about the time he is ready to play.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:15 AM
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Once again you aren’t watching the games or your watching expecting Trevor/Deshaun with no ETN, Tee, Ross, etc. If you look up his stats he’s toward the top of his QB class with the worst OL. Cades technically a freshman in terms of starting. Also these young QBs are playing against the oldest competition college QBs have ever played against.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 6:36 PM
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Who in this Era of covid years is excelling as a freshmen or first year starter?
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:19 AM
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I think it’s more touch than anything. The ball to ship was badly under thrown and looked like an aim not a throw.
I think it’ll be there soon. Excited watching him develop. The most recent QB would have wilted had his season started like this.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:21 AM
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Cade's deep ball is a technique/footwork issue. He has a bad habit of floating a lot of his deep balls because his weight shifts backwards. If you notice, many times our receivers have a step on a defender but the ball rarely gets out in front of them so they can run under it. They almost always seem to be waiting on it, giving the defender time to catch up to it and make a play.
They need to work on him stepping into those throws and leading his receivers. It is fixable but he has a bad habit that he has gotten used to that they need to break.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:30 AM
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This is one reason I posted the OP because his one deep ball to the end zone that was picked off he was on his heels and his release point was so high that it looked like he was throwing into a group of kids playing “throw it up bust’em up” or something. There was seemingly no deliberateness to it like he wasn’t even sure he wanted to throw it
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That play ended up not mattering due to the roughing the passer penalty***
Nov 19, 2023, 10:03 AM
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Re: That play ended up not mattering due to the roughing the passer penalty***
Nov 19, 2023, 10:05 AM
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So?
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Re: Cades Deep ball
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:28 AM
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Two things can happen. The WR slows down and breaks off the route, then it looks like CK threw a pass too far. Look at the Tigers first drive of the game yesterday and you'll see Brown is wide open down the middle but slowed up.
Secondly, the DB can slow down or knock a WR off their route, then CK has to put more air under the ball to give the WR a chance to catch up.
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Many throws were safe throwaways.
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:36 AM
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A couple were checkdown throws in which the receiver wasn't where he belonged. When the play calls for a deep throw and the second receiver is also deep the play is designed for the throw to happen to the second without delay. Its success depends on the QB knowing where the receiver is going to be according to the timing between the WR and QB. Imo, with Cade appearing to be looking off the defense he is actually checking down now.
That's a new success to a play DJ never mastered. It was primary or bust. Cade has turned the corner on another page in the playbook
UNC was defending against the deep ball all night long. Those few successful crossing routes were noted in UNC's defensive scheme too. Cade also ran what looked like a read option with success at least twice our of just a few tries. Those might have been called without the option, we need to take another look at that.
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Re: Many throws were safe throwaways.
Nov 19, 2023, 9:49 AM
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Awesome insight, appreciate the response
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Re: Many throws were safe throwaways.
Nov 19, 2023, 9:58 AM
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Speaking of crossing routes. I was glad to see Stellatto get some catches more than a 2 yards off the line.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
Nov 19, 2023, 9:42 AM
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He has potential, but its rarely on the money. He will get better though, because he throws a pretty ball and has arm strength is solid. He just doesnt the right touch or feel yet or feel for his young WR's yet. He will get there as they work together.
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His deep ball is getting better. Its just been the receivers have been injured
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Nov 19, 2023, 9:52 AM
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that he hasn’t been able to develop rhythm on those deep throws
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Re: Cades Deep ball
Nov 19, 2023, 10:10 AM
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Throws way too ofter to receivers that are just not open. It is probably because that is the only receiver he is looking at and not checking down. Our wide receivers are going to have to do a much beter job blocking on the flare passes and bubble screens. Every team uses bubble and tunnel screens, because they work. But they have to be blocked!
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Nov 19, 2023, 10:27 AM
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I think next year if they bring in much needed help at WR, you will see a clearer picture of how good he can be at QB. Maybe some of those awful decisions are just pure desperation plays by a QB that feels he has to do everything on his own. Maybe he really doesn’t have the awareness needed to see the field and make good decisions. He has zero deep threats.
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Re: Cades Deep ball
Nov 19, 2023, 6:02 PM
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My biggest gripe with Cade is his timing. He struggles hitting short routes in stride. Many times the WR has to reach back. He hung Stellato out to dry early, and he got mashed. He also is a split second late a lot, allowing the defense to get there. I’ve seen every game and I do feel he’s progressing.
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I simply don't agree. He throws a great deep ball.
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Nov 19, 2023, 6:25 PM
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We don't have WR that get separation or win 50/50 balls like in the past. Collins is our best deep threat. Has size, speed, and can jump. Unfortunately he isn't tough and doesn't fight for the ball like Higgins, Williams and some of our past wr.
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Re: I simply don't agree. He throws a great deep ball.
Nov 19, 2023, 8:16 PM
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Did you happen to see the deep ball to Brown? .If Brown had not stopped running it wild have been a perfect 95 yard TD. Did you see the deep pass to Shipley? He's not DW4 or TL16, but he's a much better passer than DU5. My absolute proof will be this Saturday night when he torches our little brothers for over 200 yards.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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You wouldn't worry so much about Cade's deep balls if you were
Nov 19, 2023, 8:11 PM
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balls deep more often
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Re: You wouldn't worry so much about Cade's deep balls if you were
Nov 19, 2023, 9:27 PM
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🤔 funny enough I haven’t seen this sooner for being balls deep 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks for the brain power you burned to come up with the amazing play on words though…..
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Both teams played prevent.
Nov 20, 2023, 7:26 AM
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We went after the QB more aggressively with a stronger D-line with success but UNC also torched us with the run. UNC gave it all they had to stop the deep throws which detracted from the run defense and doing a lot of blitzing.
It might appear there was no 'semblance of a deep ball,' but that's a superficial take because of isolating the long pass and not considering what was gained and lost by both teams. It also ignores the over throws which show the ball going far and toward the sideline. Those were potential deep passes when both deep routes were too well covered to do anything but throw up a jump ball.
Being that the official ignored didn't call a bushel of pass interference fouls Cade did what any top QB would do that late in the play. You can't stand in a pocket indefinitely without losing yards.
Why didn't you join me earlier in the season when Cade was truly struggling to hit those crossing routes on the fly and staring at his primary receiver like DJ EWE until he got chased out of the pocket?
Why would you wait until Clemson is on a tear to notice our QB's contributions?
Crmarti65, where you been?
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Re: Both teams played prevent.
Nov 20, 2023, 8:05 AM
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Well aren’t you Cade’s white knight lol I’ve been for him since his first start, hence me simply asking about his deep passes and not complaining that he’s even in the game playing like I did with DJ. Like I said, I appreciate Cade for who he is, no need to be a tool and act like your Clemson fan #1
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Re: Both teams played prevent.
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Well aren’t you Cade’s white knight lol I’ve been for him since his first start, hence me simply asking about his deep passes and not complaining that he’s even in the game playing like I did with DJ. Like I said, I appreciate Cade for who he is, no need to be a tool and act like your Clemson fan #1
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