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Boosters Paying $$
Jul 6, 2021, 2:58 PM
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Dan Lambert is offering Miami's 90 scholarship football players $500 monthly contracts to promote American Top Team mixed martial arts training academies. most of which are scattered throughout the state. Players can earn up to $6,000 a year.
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Re: Boosters Paying $$
Jul 6, 2021, 3:08 PM
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"Da U" Is Bout to be BACK! Just wait until Uncle Luke gets rolling. SMH.
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Re: Boosters Paying $$
Jul 6, 2021, 3:26 PM
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That is illegal!! Only 85 scholarships per year allowed for football. Where did you get 90 from?
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Orange Blooded [2864]
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Payments not limited to scholly players only.***
Jul 6, 2021, 3:47 PM
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Re: Boosters Paying $$
Jul 6, 2021, 3:30 PM
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These “NIL” deals will only make cash transfers easier. And just think about all of the promises, advanced payments, etc.
“Come to Alabama and you’ll get x, y, and z deals. Here’s what that roughly looks like in a dollar amount.”
Schools will begin aligning themselves with cash cow brands, presumably those managed by alumni.
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only the beginning
Jul 6, 2021, 3:33 PM
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Never agreed with those that said just a few players will get the endorsements. "Friends of the schools" will find ways to get something to most of the team. IT may not be a lot to the 2nd team RG but you can bet the SEC schools, Ohio States will find ways to really spread the wealth throughout the roster and recruits will know who pays what. As Dan Radakovich and I discussed before all of this became official, that without guardrails in place this could get out of control quickly and hurt a school like Clemson with smaller alumni base (customers) etc. Well there are no guardrails as the NCAA has had their head buried in the sand and here we are....the wild wild west.
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Re: only the beginning
Jul 6, 2021, 3:44 PM
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But Clemson has RABID fans, & has competed at the highest level of all kinds of other things, so why not this?
I don't believe Clemson is doomed. Frankly we have more players making money from NIL than anywhere but the U (to my knowledge) & I think the schools that help the most will consequently benefit the most. I definitely don't feel like Clemson stands no chance to compete against the blue bloods.
After all, isn't the program itself living proof?
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Re: only the beginning
Jul 6, 2021, 4:09 PM
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Sorry Colorofgrey, have to disagree. Schools that color within the boundaries will be hurt. You already have mcfries with cash now. And before the NCAA could somewhat investigate an underprivileged athelete who all of a sudden cruise town in a 80k truck and lived off campus in a penthouse and the family went from the slurbs to the burbs....
Now, it's exactly what 261 says. Wild wild west. You've now created an illegal NFL farm system where the NCAA will not have enough staff or money to oversee any rulz. Dabo won't, nor let any staff color outside the paper Tiger rulz and if boosters try to, I'm afraid Dabo will retire.
So, what you're left with is Gov has to get involved. That's worse and more incompetent than the NCAA.
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Re: only the beginning
Jul 6, 2021, 4:15 PM
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I'm just saying why couldn't or shouldn't that be us too?
It's not like a putt-putt course was installed here for our men's golf team, for example.
It will be up to Clemson to maintain compliance, but again, it seems to me Clemson has consistently done that and so many other things related to it better than most, if not vastly better overall.
We've been getting boosters & supporters to donate to things like IPTAY for decades, now Clemson itself is helping find the right partners for these guys, & it started on day one.
It seems inescapable this was part of Dabo's plan WITH Clemson & our compliance group, rather than against it & something that will make him quit coaching football.
Clemson, to your point, can also choose who NOT to allow their support to. Frankly, they should, & the only thing that would surprise me is if they didn't.
Instead, what we're hearing from the current players is they were all thrilled about it the day it went live, including Coach Swinney, & we had more players than any other program with paid deals or endorsements by the end of the day.
I hear you on the Pandora's box thing, & that corruption COULD be somehow completely determinant again like it was in the 80's, but to me, it feels like something to celebrate more because of how Clemson is (again) leading the way here rather than making it something Coach Swinney will quit over.
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Re: only the beginning
Jul 6, 2021, 4:27 PM
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I agree maybe I am being a little too pessimistic and Clemson has always punched above its weight. People forgot even in 1960s we were going to UGA and GA Tech almost every year for a paycheck. IPTAY took us to levels a small school in the middle of nowhere (back then for sure) many could not believe.
But having to compete against Ohio State with 500,000 plus living alumni to Clemson 132,000 is going to be tough. It is just more "customers" to buy autographs, send kids to player camps, etc. Just more alumni with more businesses that can pay a player for promotions, etc.
Our TV market is much better than people think, Greenville is a booming area, no Pro teams to we do have some pluses but Ohio State has the alumni, Columbus 2 million people, flagship university in State of 11 million, etc. That is tough to compete with without any guardrails.
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Re: only the beginning
Jul 6, 2021, 5:04 PM
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I agree with your assessment 261. Also, some of our Iptay donors may choose the NIL with their funds rather than funding all to Iptay. Almost like robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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are you suggesting we "off" a couple hundred thousand
Jul 6, 2021, 5:06 PM
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nut suckers?
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Chicago & culture
Jul 7, 2021, 10:20 AM
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I guess I just don't see it as a market-only value based on alumni & population numbers. From Chicago to UNLV, here have been plenty of programs with those advantages who never built a solid culture or competitive program.
Clemson's culture is the outlier. Ohio State has that, too (we're oddly & eerily similar, culture-wise), but that's what we'll compete with most rather than size & scope (in spite of Clemson growing every year).
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Re: only the beginning
Jul 6, 2021, 4:59 PM
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I totally agree with what you're saying. We will do it better than anyone. That's kinda what I'm concerned about. Other schools are furious over our success. How dare little ole Clemson get that attention.... After we built the putt putt, every school scrambling to catch up. And I do think it's long overdue for the players. I get that.
2 things concern me, one being the uncontrollable flow of monetary funds and lack of oversight. And 2, exactly what 261 is saying about us competing in the market. I liken it to a vandy baseball situation.
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Re: only the beginning
Jul 6, 2021, 5:05 PM
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Instead of Coach Dabo dealing with a kid's Mom who wants the best place for her kid, he will be dealing with a kid' agent who is all about lining his own pocket.
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Re: only the beginning
Jul 7, 2021, 10:17 AM
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In that case I feel better than ever.
Nobody does better than Dabo Swinney at raising revenue & finding buyers & investors. From being #1 in real estate in Alabama to getting Clemson & IPTAY to spend more than ever (& have inescapable results), so if you're right, we have a TREMENDOUS advantage there.
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Re: Boosters Paying $$
Jul 6, 2021, 3:45 PM
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We sure are missing BC Inabinet and Defender industries right now. We will probably have a top booster or two shift some IPTAY dollars to play within the NIL rules. Any IPTAY money lost will hurt the non revenue sports. I already hate this new rule.
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Re: Boosters Paying $$
Jul 6, 2021, 4:19 PM
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I think the "non-revenue" sports now finally have ways to generate revenue that aren't restricted to missing TV contracts.
Our softball program alone is a perfect example of it. Big following, legitimate stars, and all in spite of rarely being on a major network or being promoted by them outright (it's also interesting that now UNC will have a softball program, which makes enough for an ACC title & its associated sponsorship &, crucially, a TV deal for it, likely on the ACC Network).
From lacrosse to track, social is where the fans turn for all of these sports, & now they can use that rather than get completely overshadowed with no other opportunity but TV.
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Guess those Miami players will need to actually
Jul 6, 2021, 4:28 PM
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perform to be of any benefit for their promotions.
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Same here
Jul 7, 2021, 10:23 AM
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I've been thinking about this, and maybe that's another potential advantage of the NIL stuff?
For example, Derion Kendrick, would he have been more compelled to stay out of the doghouse if his revenue was dependent on it? I can't imagine it won't help police kids' behavior perhaps better than coaches ever could.
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Re: Boosters Paying $$
Jul 6, 2021, 4:38 PM
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I believe the huge deal is not what current players will make.
It is the bidding wars for recruits and transfers that is the bigger deal.
High school kids will have agents.
National companies will soon enter the fray.
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The “NIL” bs will just exacerbate the problem. Boosters are
Jul 6, 2021, 4:49 PM
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gonna get in line to buy NIL crap from top players.
It’s going to be a hot, hot mess.
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Be prepared for a Natty featuring Dartmouth vs. Columbia***
Jul 6, 2021, 5:43 PM
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Columbia University for you misguided coots, not California in Cootopia
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Re: Boosters Paying $$
Jul 6, 2021, 6:00 PM
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Dan Lambert has also created a company called "Bring Back the U." The marketing company states it "will provide a liaison between players and sponsors. The website says "100 percent of the money from donations and fundraisers will be funneled to players through local businesses."
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