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Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Trump Administration: 1.9 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 4 years.
Obama Administration: 1.6 million border apprehensions and expulsions in last 4 years.
You birm, smitty ### lefties love to blame Trump for 2019 increase in border apprehensions and expulsions. Yet, even with that year, the Trump administration only saw an increase of 300,000 border apprehensions and expulsions over 4 years.
YET, when normal people who know what a woman is blame Biden for a 500% increase in border apprehensions and expulsions, y’all have something to say. Absolutely laughable.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 4, 2024, 9:00 PM
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 4, 2024, 9:09 PM
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And Bidens flying them in from every overseas third world country as fast as he can as well so don't believe the left wing drivel that he doesn't want them here by the millions. The left hates your guts and will do everything in its power to make your kids votes completely meaningless once these invaders and their progeny start voting en masse.
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Took 2 replies to get to white replacement theory.***
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Should've been included in OP
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Apr 5, 2024, 2:23 PM
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Something the lefties made up so
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Apr 5, 2024, 3:47 PM
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they can hate you.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 4, 2024, 9:29 PM
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Why did apprehensions remain flat for seven years and then suddenly almost triple in 2019 when Trump allegedly had the border under control?
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 4, 2024, 9:45 PM
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 4, 2024, 10:48 PM
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Do you understand trendlines? 😆
So why did the apprehensions more than double in 2019 after 7 years of remaining flat? Was something driving that? Still waiting while you tap dance.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 4, 2024, 11:59 PM
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Twist and double twist. You're a professional at it. Simple question, is 840K less than 2.5 million? I rest my case.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 5, 2024, 12:44 AM
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As expected, the tap dance. LOL I've got another skin on the wall.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 5, 2024, 6:29 AM
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Yeah you have no real answer because you can’t admit Biden is purposely doing this. You really are sitting here and excusing RECORD breaking border apprehensions and expulsions. No other president in U.S. history has overseen a border this overrun with illegals and they are letting the majority of them stay in the country.
Hopefully you realize how silly you sound. You’ve gotta be trolling at this point.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 5, 2024, 7:49 AM
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I asked a very relevant question that you are lacking the stones to answer because it ruins your laughable narrative. Why did the migrant trend start and more than double in 2019 (under Trump) if the border was "under control". Do you understand trends? Do you understand the slope of a curve? Do you understand that Y=MX + B is the equation of a line with M = slope, or rise/run? Basic algebra, but I won't hold it against you if general math is as far as you got. So how did Biden start the trend in 2019 when he was just a citizen? You don't have any answers, do you? LOL
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Math is racist
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Apr 5, 2024, 3:48 PM
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therefore you are racist if you know math.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 5, 2024, 2:15 PM
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You got no skin from me because I know you're stupid. And talk about not answering a question, you are the master and obviously can't count (is 840K less than 2.5 million?) and you probably have no clue why the the number of migrants jumped to 840K in 2019.
I know there are 3 major reasons and 10s of contribributors. If you want to know look them up. Hint - one has to do with Central Americans knowing the U.S. was not separating family units. Can you name the other 2 major reasons?
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 5, 2024, 2:27 PM
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Why did this all start under Trump? Keep tap dancing and deflecting. The current situation clearly started in 2019 when Brandon was just a private citizen. 😆
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 5, 2024, 2:29 PM
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Not until you answer my question.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 5, 2024, 2:46 PM
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Covid. That was easy. Now that I've answered your question, answer mine as to why the number more than doubled in 2019 after 7 years of being flat.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 5, 2024, 4:16 PM
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I already told you one reason and I know 2 more along with the contributors. If you don't know, I gave you another hint below. You're capable of doing some research. No matter what anyone says you'll just continue believing it's because Trump needed workers for his golf courses and hotels.
Here's another hint - Trump was more focused on removing illegals already in the country committing and charged with crimes along with those violating Visa requirements. Resources were too limited for such an undertaking. Now you only have one to go.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 5, 2024, 5:58 PM
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Saying "look it up" isn't an answer. Try again.
BTW, Biden wasn't POTUS in 2019 when this all started, so LOL at "not separating families". This thread is getting more amusing by the minute. Lol
So border apprehensions more than doubled from the previous 7 years because Trump was too worried about illegals already here?
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 5, 2024, 6:22 PM
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I was correct a few weeks back, you have no reading comprehension. Look back. I wouldn't do the work for my employees, I'll be dayme if I'll do it for a flaming libtard. If you know so much spout it out or shut up.
BTW, post the link where I said Biden was POTUS in 2019.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 5, 2024, 7:04 PM
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You claimed that "Americans knowing the U.S. was not separating family units" as a response to why apprehensions more than doubled in 2019 even though Biden wasn't POTUS then.
Keep tap dancing and making stuff up. 😆
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 6, 2024, 2:11 PM
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Really? You can only cut and paste part of a post and then LIE about a reference to Biden in 2019? It's obvious you dont have a clue and you're the one making stuff up". My information comes from a government report and your liberal CNN.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 6, 2024, 5:47 PM
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Well then, what did you mean by Americans knowing the U.S. was not separating family units"?
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
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Apr 7, 2024, 2:35 PM
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"Central Americans". Can't you read? It's right there in my previous post and came directly from CNN as "one" of the reasons for the spike in 2019.
If you can't read and comprehend, a message board is not a good place for you to be.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 7, 2024, 4:35 PM
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Well then, what did you mean by "Central Americans knowing the U.S. was not separating family units"? Were you referring to Biden or Trump here?
#checkmate. 😆
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 7, 2024, 10:23 PM
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Trump signed an executive order in July 2018 to halt the separation of migrant family units. The word got out and the rest is history.
The law to separate family units was passed in 1997 during Clinton's administration and continued until Trump signed his executive order. Fact: Obama had twice the number of children separated from their parents than Trump ever did. So who's more humanitarian, the Obama who put kids in dog cages or Trump who signed the order to not separate families? The fact of the matter is there has to be control who is coming in and not a free for all at the border.
I hope you learned something.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 8, 2024, 5:29 AM
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You are making 0 sense. The question that you keep tap dancing around is why was there an explosion in apprehensions in 2019 if DADDY had everything under control. You've yet to provide a rational response and you're babbling about separating families is laughable and unintelligible. I would just ask you to take the "L" like a man, but it's amusing watching you continue to humiliate yourself. Carry on. lol
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 8, 2024, 6:08 AM
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He’s making perfect sense and explained why there was a spike in 2019 and how that was nothing compared to what is happening right now.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 8, 2024, 6:11 AM
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Explain it to us then. Why was there a massive spike in 2019 after 7 years of remaining flat.
And just to play along with the laughable family separation exuse that doesn't explain the spike after 7 years of remaining flat:
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwq86wBhDiARIsAJhuphm17a1PG-goYZ8SNek_Gp45m97pXNKbgWI6qfs5WsWxhLrwwKUgD4oaApgcEALw_wcB
“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 8, 2024, 9:10 AM
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Please clarify your point on family separations. No one understands how this is a rational reason for the explosion in apprehensions under Trump. We're still waiting.
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 7, 2024, 7:51 AM
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The world was no longer shut down in 2021. Fail and try again.
the trendline is nearly perfect with the exception of the Covid year. Maybe you can tell us why there was an explosion in 2019 if everything was "under control". You gonna use the Saddis excuse that DADDY was too worried about immigrants already here? LOL
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Cleanup on Aisle 9
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Apr 7, 2024, 10:34 AM
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Bham you got rekd.
OBiden Handlers Admin had placed the highest priority on controlling the population in 2021 to prevent the spread of COVID in 2021. No excuse to not have border control people policing the southern border.
With the advent of the COVID vax in 2021, there was no shortage of available border control people. Yet the illegals cam3 pouring through the border.
In 2020, does anyone believe that ‘desperate asylum seekers’ would remain at home and refrain from trying to cross the border? In your world, COVID care was better in Venezuela and Panama Han it as in the USA. Of COURSE the illegals wanted to come back into the USA. They didn’t because Trump read the riot act to Mexico’s Obrador to get off his keester and stop the flow of illegals.
Thus, the decline in illegal immigrants in 2020.
Biden told Obrador to not worry anymore starting in January 2021. ‘Orange Man gone. Illegals, come on down.’
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Re: Cleanup on Aisle 9
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Apr 7, 2024, 11:00 AM
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Covid most certainly shut the world down for travel and migration. Sorry Baw for that inconvenient fact.
You still haven't answered as to why migration exploded in 2019 under DADDY when he had everything "under control". Waiting.
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Re: Cleanup on Aisle 9
Apr 7, 2024, 1:27 PM
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Asylum seeking immigrants are not your normal tourist.
No need to thank me for enlightening you.
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Re: Cleanup on Aisle 9
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Why was there an explosion in 2019 if DADDY had everything "under control"?
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 8, 2024, 9:43 AM
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You can't grasp there were more than one reason why there was a spike in 2019. I gave you 2 of them and I'll be buried before I give the 3rd because you won't be able to read and understand it anyway.
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As you can see there is a dip in number of illegals in 2019. This was a result of Trump's focus on removing illegals with criminal backgrounds. Somewhere along the way the resource issue was mis-calculated.
Can you see how the puzzle is starting to come together? Let's list what happened in 2018 and 2019 in simple terms:
1. 2018 Trump issuses Executive Order to not separate family units.
2. The word spreads in Central America and migrants start heading this way.
3. 2019 Resources are pulled from the border to support ICE with arrests of illegals
4. Migrants show up at the border and fewer resources are available to stop and process
5. 2019 Increase in number of migrants of about 400,000. (A months total under the Biden immigration policy.)
If you don't like it, discuss it with the U.S. Government statistics and liberal news agency. Nothing here from FOX.
BTW, we have been able to keep you occupied and from bothering other posters on a subject that no one gives a rat's @$$ about. But 840K in 2019 is still less 2.5 million 2022.
Good day!
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 8, 2024, 10:43 AM
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If family separation was the reason, then why were numbers not high prior to the "0 tolerance" policy passed by Trump in 2017? Your narrative keeps getting more and more laughable. 😆
#checkmate
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 8, 2024, 10:48 AM
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Re: Biden Administration: 9.8 million border apprehensions and expulsions in 3 years
Apr 8, 2024, 11:21 AM
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Why wasn't there a huge dip in families right after Trump signed the 0 tolerance policy on family separation in 2017.
Again, #checkmate
Keep embarrassing yourself. 😆
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And, get this - they are probably
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suppressing the numbers to get to 9.8M.
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I don't "blame" Trump for 2019...
Apr 5, 2024, 8:06 PM
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But I don't give him unwarranted credit for fixing the Border when he did no such thing.
The border got worse under Trump than what he inherited from Obama. That's a fact, and the numbers back it up. I think more right-wingers need to be critical of Trump, too, for blocking the recent bipartisan deal.
Trump is part of the problem on the border, and re-electing him is not a solution.
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Re: I don't "blame" Trump for 2019...
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Congress fought Tr7mp like crazy to disrupt his border control plan. The border wall, albeit early in its construction, was stopped by lawsuits. The ongoing growth in wall coverage would have helped Biden to control the border.
Ah, what might have been to erase one of Biden’s worst political disasters. Biden’s handlers did this to the Democrats.
Don’t worry, though. LawFare and ballot harvesting will deliver the presidency to Biden, or maybe Big Mike if / when Biden goes Hector Salamanca on us.
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if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 9:56 AM
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9.8 million apprehensions and expulsions?
Shouldn't that number be 0?
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 10:48 AM
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They're not that bright. They are are actually arguing that the explosion in apprehensions starting in 2019 is due to no longer practicing family separation and spending too much time trying to evict illegals already here. This is after they told us on here that most border crosses were single fighting aged males. They all can't keep their BS straight and just constantly contradict one another. Oh yeah, they're also against the bipartisan border bill abs will tell you that "status quo" is better. Too funny. 😆 😆 😆
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 11:17 AM
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You asked a "specific and pointed" question about a migration spike in 2019 under Trump and must not like the answers. If you have anymore information why there was a spike in 2019, please enlighten us because the media, Pew Research and the Government need to get their information corrected.
Solving world hunger starts next week.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 11:30 AM
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I enjoyed your answers as they were desperate and laughable. 😆
Civil unrest in many South and Central American countries is the main reason for the migration that started in 2019 through today. Notice the huge increase in the yellow portion of my graph? Sorry that it doesn't coincidence with your narrative.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 11:33 AM
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Nothing desperate about it. Just the facts as available. You obviously have nothing constructive to add.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 11:48 AM
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Where was the massive dip in families after the 0 tolerance policy signed by Trump beginning the family separations? Don't see one, do you? Ooooooops. Nice try. 😆
Sorry Baw but civil unrest is the main driver for the boom in migration. Accept it. 😆
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Get a grip. If anyone has ever heard of the Pilgrims, they know that. Next? You must have had someone read you the CNN article previously posted. What a Loser.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 1:48 PM
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Can't seem to locate the massive dip in families right after Trump signed the 0 tolerance policy, can you? Oooops, so much for your narrative.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 3:46 PM
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Sorry Baw, but those shooting from the hip don't need to be here. In the link below, you will see the number of illegals dropped during Trump's term (I guess it's better to be aware of what someone does than just throw stones because you dont like him/her.) and the number has now doubled from 10. 2 million to over 20 million under Biden. Things had been going along pretty steady, then here comes Biden with Kamala (and their T-Shirt initiative in Central America 🤣) and it was no longer a spike but a rocket launch. Why, civil unrest, the need for new votes, cheap labor, poor leadership, ...?
https://thehill.com/opinion/4423296-matthews-illegal-immigrants-double-under-biden-and-thats-just-the-start/
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 6:40 PM
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Still can't find that major dip in families crossing the border after Trump implemented thr "0 tolerance", can you. You narrative has been debunked. 😆 🤣 😂.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 8:18 PM
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I don't have a theory on anything about a dip from the zero tolerance because I never referenced it. That's all on you. The fact is that the number of illegals went down under Trump even with the spike of immigrants in 2019. Biden inherited ~ 10.2 million illegals which he has turned it into 20+ million. A stellar performance right there. The 2019 spike issue was beat to death and you didn't fare so well, so now you want to change the subject.
I guess you already forgot, that about 2 months after "zero tolerance", Trump signed the Executive Order to stop the practice of separating migrant families. How much dip would you expect in 2 months? This is from the Migration Policy Institute:
"At the same time, the fact that Trump’s policies did not meaningfully reduce legal immigration levels during the first three years of his presidency does not mean they will prove to be toothless in the longer run. Due to the slow-moving nature of immigration processes, there can be a significant lag between enacting policy and realizing its effects. How the trends hold over the coming years remains to be seen."
However, Biden wiped out most of Trump's policies so now the the $151 Billion per year question is when are we going to see a dip in the Biden Administration numbers?
More data during Trump Presidency excluding 2020 COVID year.
Permanent Green Card Applications - down
Student Visa Applications - down
Work Visa Applications - down
Grants of Citizenship - down
Seasonal Green Card Applications - up
Removal of Illegal Immigrants - up
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 8, 2024, 10:46 PM
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I haven't changed the subject, as much as you would like me to. I've just beat down your laughable BS narrative that the 2019 spike was because of, wait for it, "family separations ". Too funny. 😆
ONCE AGAIN, the current influx of migrants is due to Civil unrest that started and has maintained since 2019. Prove me wrong. Waiting. 😆
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 9, 2024, 1:08 AM
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Dude, you can't prove anything to anyone close minded. They saw an opportunity to leave and come here and not be separated any longer, they also had drought, food was short and their goverments weren't or couldnt help so they loaded up the truck and now some are probably living in Beverly Hills.
Say what you will but civil unrest and the associated violence was only one of 5 contributing causes why migrants were coming to the U.S. This is based on the root cause from the U.S. government commisioned by Biden. The 2019 reasons pretty much mirrors with the below. Just one or 2 percentage points difference. You can feel what you want to feel but the data drives the results. We both know that the data out is only as good as the data in. So the immigrants are lying or the government is lying.
The stats and causes say:
Of the 1.8 million people who immigrated to the U.S. in 2021, about 42% came for work, 32% for school, and 23% for family. Nearly 2% were seeking safety, and about 0.9% were admitted on Diversity Immigrant Visas because their lifestyles were not accepted.
At least I took the time to look at your posts and did some investigation and obvioisly, there is civil unrest in parts of Central America. And even though violence/civil unrest was there, it is not close to the top causes of why the immigrants say they are coming. Although, I'm sure in your mind, those commisioned by the POTUS and/or are paid to look at this information are wrong if their analysis varys from yours.
Now off the subject, but IMO, free housing and free visa cards for food rank higher on their list than civil unrest. Since levity helps sometimes, the real reason for the spike in 2019 is because Trump needed more workers at his golf courses and hotels.
Now back to off the subject serious matters, think about this. 24% of the children in New Mexico and Arkansas live with food insecurity while 25% of the children in Mississippi live in households that can't buy enough food, but a Venezuelan gang member can get a $350 visa card for food. What's wrong with that picture? A lot of kids can be fed with the $151 Billion it's costing per year to take care of our immigrants and a huge chunk of change left over.
Help feed the hungry.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 9, 2024, 6:19 AM
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Trump went back to the way things were prior to the 0 tolerance policy, so if family separation was a significant issue, there would have been a huge drop in apprehensions after he signed it, and there was not. Sorry Baw, not my fault you embarrassed yourself on here cause you were grasping at straws.
It's funny how there was flat migration in the 7 years prior to 2019, yet when all the trouble started in late 2018, the migration more than doubled and continues today. Why was the migration so much lower prior to 2019 if it wasn't for all problems that began in 2019? LOL.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 9, 2024, 11:02 AM
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You are the epitome of the liberals talking out both sides of your mouth. You say you want to work together and then you throw shade and insults with no facts, just your opinion.
As previously requested, if you have the evidence and data, I would like to see it along with answers to some of the other questions you ignored. I won't be holding my breath waiting.
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Glad to have kept you occupied for about a week now.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 9, 2024, 1:40 PM
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Your incoherent/babble/rant is a nice attempt at deflecting from your debunked narrative. Sorry Baw, not gonna work. The current border situation started in 2019 when countries like Haiti, Venezuela, Ecuador, Honduras, El Salvador and Mexico had major Civil unrest. Human trafficking networks sprung up out of all this and smuggling migrants is now a multi-billion dollar business.
Now migrants from across the globe can use these networks. Keep pretending this is really about no longer practicing family separation so I can keep LOLing at you. Remember, YOU are the one who believes "status quo" is better than the Bipartisan Border bill. 😆
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 9, 2024, 2:50 PM
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Now John, you're above this and need to show me the data and not just spew what you think.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 9, 2024, 2:58 PM
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There really is no point in arguing with Birm. Someone who says the current administration has no fault in the current, record breaking border crisis, is at best a troll and at worst delusional.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 9, 2024, 3:49 PM
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I've proven that this trend started under Trump. The only narrative your side has provided is "family separations" and "Trump was too occupied with getting those that were already here out". My side is still hurting from LOLing at that.
I can't help it if the facts are betraying your narrative. LOL.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 9, 2024, 5:17 PM
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You've proven nothing John, because no one has seen your data. All we've heard is your opinion. You should tread or should I say go lightly with your arrogance and attempted bullying. Show me the data or tap out.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 10, 2024, 12:00 AM
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I'll post it again. The border crisis started in 2019 under Trump. Sorry Baw, but facts can be a b!tch. Notice the increase in the yellow portion of the bars. 😆
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 10, 2024, 9:40 AM
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That post is total B.S.
I'm not disagreeing that the number of border encounters went up in 2019. I've seen the graph before. However, John, the discussion was on "WHY" it happened (the causes) and you have NOT provided any data supporting your "belief". Go back and look at your previous posts and count the number of times you asked why, why, why with your arrogance and belittling of other posters. Now it's your turn. All that's needed, is a government or research center graph showing the CAUSES of 2019 increased border encounters.
If that is too hard, you can always just tap out.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 10, 2024, 9:19 PM
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Nice article but violence was 3rd on the list of reasons, not the number one reason like you said. 3rd on the list is the best you can do. Your favorite liberal news agency CNN said this June of 2019.
Selee says two major factors have fueled the increasing numbers: 1) A growing awareness in Central America that immigrant families who make it to the U.S. aren't being detained in large numbers -- or deported and 2) A major push from smugglers in the region to offer more options to would-be migrants.
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 10, 2024, 10:48 PM
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Civil unrest would be responsible for the top 3 reasons the migrants gave. LOL, you are really grasping at straws now. What changed in 2019 vs the previous 7 years for the number of migrants from these countries to suddenly explode while DADDY had "everything under control"? It seems like something happened to cause all of this. Keep swinging Baw. LOL
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Re: if the borders are open and Biden isn't doing anything about it, why are there
Apr 10, 2024, 11:19 PM
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So you're saying your definition of civil unrest is the criminals?
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
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Apr 11, 2024, 9:32 AM
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Yeah, you are correct, but Birm is only focused on Trump and a 2019 spike of around 450,000 additional migrants and can't get a grip on the reality of the Biden years 2021 through today. And now he's struggling with difference of social unrest and civil unrest. But he is easy to occupy.
Birm believes:
Trump is a bad man because he speaks his mind and is for a strong America. He believes Trump gets special treatment from banks and lenders, is the cause of all migration issues and is terrible because Trump had sex with different women.
Biden is good even though he is a racist (per his record), has allowed 9+ million migrants into the country, is mentally deficient, has compromised national security by using his influence to set up his family in business with our adversaries for the purpose of financial gain, and broke up Jill's family in an adulterous act. I won't even get into the creepier aspects of the sniffer.
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 11, 2024, 9:47 AM
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You still can't seem to explain how migration exploded in 2019 when DADDY had everything "under control". 2019 is relevent because it shows the start of a trend that is continuing today. You're not iinterested in the reasons for the border issues. For you, it's all political theatre as you willfully ignore the data that shows that mass migration is mostly driven by factors unrelated to who is in the WH. Your belief that "status quo" is better than the Bipartisan Border Bill also illustrates that. The current wave that we have now was coming regardless of the outcome of the 2020 election. Keep swinging so I can keep LOLing at your futility.
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 11, 2024, 11:43 AM
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I did but you're stuck on your opinion and won't accept the facts because it doesn't fit your anti- Trump agenda. Secondly, is it so hard for you to understand that the Republicans wanted accountability for implementing a Border Bill that included $80+ Billion to support Ukraine and Israel? Biden and the Demonrats wouldn't commit to reductions and goals to trend the results, therefore, no bill. Johnson told the democrats the funding was tied to the accountability. BTW, thanks for giving the credit to Trump, it proves he has more power than Biden, even as a candidate. Keep in mind, the Demonrat vote to pass/fail the border bill wasn't 100% either.
I would imagine even you understand and have accountability in your business to ensure you can keep it in line and on track.
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 11, 2024, 2:38 PM
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We've been here before. Read the whole article and you'll find it. You must have forgotten about the power of click bait and you stepped right into the trap. Refute these excerpts from your post and link.
"Johnson said the one leverage point Republicans have to push President Joe Biden toward reducing illegal border crossings is by linking aid for Ukraine and Israel to new border controls."
"...Johnson said more money should be contingent on metrics showing a decrease in border crossings."
You're grasping at straws now. Next!
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 11, 2024, 3:39 PM
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Tell me how "status quo" is better than the border bill. YOU CAN'T. I'm still LOLing how you can't answer this.
The border bill was crafted in a bipartisan manner, which is how things are suppose to work. 😆
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 11, 2024, 4:05 PM
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It was bipartisan until Biden and his Adminstration didn't want to be held accountable by putting in metrics to track reductions at the border for the non border funding. The demonrats want no part of accountability. Therefore, the status quo is demonrat driven.
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 11, 2024, 4:16 PM
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How is "status quo" BETTER than the Bipartisan Border Bill?
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 11, 2024, 11:31 PM
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What makes you think I want staus quo? Is it because I don't believe in a Bill full of "pork" without accountability and metrics? Show me any post where I used those words and said I want status quo.
It's not like I haven't already said to take the $80 Billion foreign aid out of the bill, then vote on it again. Fund the U.S. border patrol and give them the tools they need but NO foreign aid to fight wars that have nothing to do with the border. Foreign aid is a separate issue and should be dealt with separately. Will it work to stop the immigrants? I have actually read the bill and it has some good attributes but will it be sufficient? If it will, bring it on.
Let's see what the NPD brings out next.
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 12, 2024, 6:00 AM
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why are you not outraged that the Bipartisan Border Bill was not passed, much less even debated in the house? Is the border not better than status quo? You gots some splaining to do. Again, the only reason Ukraine and Israel was tied into it is because MAGA republicans DEMANDED it. You guys refused to even debate it, which shows that you were not interested in border reform and actually opposed it. Own it. LOL
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Why should I be outraged? Biden and his cronies can shut off the immigration any time they want. He doesn't need a new Border Bill to ENFORCE the EXISTING LAWS. There is already governance in place.
The fact that you can't get a grip on the accountabilty that was required for getting the funding appears you, like the demonrats in Washington are irresponsible and focus on blame shifting because just you can't stand the heat. By NOT accepting accountabilty makes it obvious, that the Biden Administration had no plans to slow down the immigration even with a new Bill and just wanted funding for wars. Another liberal smoke and mirror farce.
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 12, 2024, 12:34 PM
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Your deflection is a myth. As expected, you failed to answer the question asked. Let's try again.
How is "status quo" better than the Bipartisan Border Bill?
#checkmate
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Re: This is a comprehensive list of how and why there was a massive expansion...
Apr 12, 2024, 12:45 PM
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Using the laws available to stop the onslaught of illegals would NOT be staus quo with this bunch in Washington.
You can only repeat yourself and add nothing except wah, wah, wah.
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Jesus, please let this thread die already.***
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