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I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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now I am accepting that possibility more if his draft grade comes in low. Last season, he was Mr. Everything, featured back (1400 yds rushing and receiving) and KO returner (324 yds) and his all purpose yards were near tops in the nation. I think he feels like his role has been diminished this year and that has caused the drop in his stock. He probably doesn't see that changing next year if he stays at Clemson.
He just sounds like a guy who is outta here, one way or the other...
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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I don't mean to sound like a jerk when talking about Shipley. Id rather have him on the team next season than not, but if he does go whether its through the transfer portal or the draft, I don't think he takes away much from our offense as a whole. At this point I think Phil should be RB1 and next season I'm excited to see the guys we have behind him getting some touches. Next man up
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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Nov 20, 2023, 1:21 PM
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Losing Shipley would take a great deal away from our offense.
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Agreed!
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Nov 20, 2023, 3:07 PM
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A lot of fumbles and runs directly in to the online's @$$.
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And a lot of yelling and helmet throwing.***
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A lot or one time? Seems youre trolling.***
Nov 21, 2023, 11:29 AM
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Re: Agreed!
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Nov 21, 2023, 6:07 PM
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Until the changed blocking scheme...funny how that worked out.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 21, 2023, 7:39 AM
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I agree it would take a lot from our offense. Shipley is a great player. I just wish they would remove the "Shipley up the middle" plays and figure out how to get him the ball when he is not behind our offensive line or in a crowd. Or at least limit them, especially on goal line stands
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I like Shipley but as long as Phil Mafah is staying I don't have any great
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heartburn if Shipley feels the need to move on. Just my amateur opinion but it sure looks to me like Mafah sees the smallest of lanes/holes and cuts better than Shipley.
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Re: I like Shipley but as long as Phil Mafah is staying I don't have any great
Nov 20, 2023, 11:16 PM
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I have to say Shipley was running quite well against the Tarheels. On the other hand Mafah is a bigger back so he is harder to bring down.
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Re: I like Shipley but as long as Phil Mafah is staying I don't have any great
Nov 21, 2023, 1:22 AM
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If I had one play and it just had to happen . . I would want Shipley involved.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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Nov 20, 2023, 8:21 PM
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Shipley has his faults admittedly, definitely a fumbling issue.
But us as fans, our short term memory is crap. These last few years have stunk but Shipley has won us alot of ball games. #### he was a key factor in winning this past weekend. A huge TD run, another big run and a huge catch down field.
Like I said, Shipley has a lot of things he needs to work on and leaves a lot to be desired sometimes but I think Clemson fans would realize quicker than later that losing him stings a bit more than originally thought.
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Other than the untimely fumbles, what is the a lot he has to work on?***
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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Nov 20, 2023, 1:13 PM
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I'm always curious about how NIL money affects things.
Let's say you have a player who is a borderline pro prospect who is a mid to late round draft pick and could easily not make a roster.
I assume he's getting paid NIL money which is more than he will be making if he fails to make a pro team active roster.
and for transfers, irrespective of the rules, how do NIL offers work?
Miami's transfer basketball guard was supposed to have gotten $800k to play for Miami.
What would Shipley be worth to another college team as a one year rental?
and what is he getting at Clemson?
I don't have any problem with a graduate making a business decision.
If a college player is making several hundred thousand dollars per year and they can do that for multiple years while in college then they are set for life even if the pro career doesn't happen.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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Nov 20, 2023, 1:16 PM
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I totally get your point. With Ship, it kind of seems to me like the role reduction may have been more of an issue than NIL $. It might also explain some of the outward emotional frustration we have seen from him this year. I know he and Mafah are really tight but as competitive as Ship is, you know deep down, he hated sharing those reps.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 21, 2023, 9:41 AM
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I totally get your point. With Ship, it kind of seems to me like the role reduction may have been more of an issue than NIL $. It might also explain some of the outward emotional frustration we have seen from him this year. I know he and Mafah are really tight but as competitive as Ship is, you know deep down, he hated sharing those reps.
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Dunno about "set for life" on a few hundred thousand. After taxes it ain't quite that much
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A few million is not much with inflation levels
Nov 21, 2023, 11:38 AM
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At least that's the rumor.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 1:48 PM
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speed,
I don't know. If he can't be RB1 here, it would seem that he would have to move down the food chain to a smaller school to be RB1. That school would likely have less NIL $$ to hand out.
The only exception is if a team up the food chain lost their RB1 to injury or such and did not have a backup ready to move up.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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Nov 20, 2023, 3:00 PM
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If you are smart.
Buying a house and a reliable car will put you past some of life's biggest hurdles.
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Orange Blooded [2495]
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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If someone had given (or I had earned) a couple hundred thousand dollars forty years ago, when I was in my late teens or early twenties, and I had invested that money, I would be very wealthy right now, no matter what additional money I had earned to this point in my life.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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The poster said over 40 years and he is correct. You might want to do some investment research.
Assume 1980 as a beginning for am investment of $200,000. Here are results from several types of investment held until today:
S&P 500 = $15,868,520
3-mo T-Bills = $906,080
US T-Bonds = $896,340
Corp Bonds = $2,305,980
Real Estste = $1,590,220
GOld = $5,724,640
I think that any of those would go a long way toward most folks being set for life.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 21, 2023, 9:50 AM
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If you had invested that $200,000 in the S&P 500 in 1980 and held until the end of 2023, your funds would have grown to $ 24,194,940.... ">
https://www.officialdata.org/us/stocks/s-p-500/1980
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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Nov 20, 2023, 1:15 PM
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If anything has affected his NFL stock, it has been his attitude........and of course the fumbleitis.
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Starter [369]
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Im sorry but Ive seen Ship got hot one time - when he was pulled out on
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Nov 21, 2023, 11:33 AM
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goal line.
A competitor with some perfectly harmless competitiveness. One time.
So where some of you guys getting this alleged “attitude problem”. Everyone you hear from coaches on down love Shipley and his competitiveness. Listen to coaches. Listen to players. Shipley is a team guy with an incredible amount of competitive spirit which translates in a positive way throughout the program.
Let’s stop with the bologna attitude angle. It’s completely made up from fans.
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Ship ain't no idiot.
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Nov 20, 2023, 1:16 PM
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He knows a lesser time he spends on the field reduces his risk of injury. Anyone thinking that's not a factor when Dabo tracks touches is just not keeping up.
I think his draft stock is probably too low to entice him but ultimately he will realize Cade can lead this team to a CPO seed and he will be part of our display with the world watching. Unfinished business!
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Re: Ship ain't no idiot.
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Nov 20, 2023, 1:18 PM
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I really hope he comes back but the body language and post-game interviews lead you to believe otherwise.
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Starter [369]
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What body language ? What interviews and how many?
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Nov 21, 2023, 11:34 AM
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Seems you’re exaggerating, a lot!
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Re: Ship ain't no idiot.
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It does expand to 12 next year. Probably won't matter when we win the ACC.
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Where's DSP when you need him?
Nov 21, 2023, 12:17 PM
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tmms
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 1:17 PM
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Lets be clear his stock dropped because he had the "drops". Unfortunately 11 games in that has not changed despite what he did in this last game he still turned it over in the redzone. Collectively this years film cannot be what you want to show any NFL scout who in my opinion will value ball security above other tangibles.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 1:20 PM
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I don't disagree on the "why" but what we think and what he thinks may be a little different. He knows the fumbles don't show well but I think he wants more opportunities to show that will improve and he wants more reps to give him those opportunities.
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Rudy Shipley?
Nov 20, 2023, 3:12 PM
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Rudy 2.0?
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 1:18 PM
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I think he will transfer to NC State. His parents graduated from there and he he from Charlotte.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 1:22 PM
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I'm sure Doeren would welcome him with open arms and look at it as another opportunity to try and stick it to Dabo.
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He needs to correct his fumbling problem.
Nov 20, 2023, 1:23 PM
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 1:34 PM
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He's had opportunities and still contributes a lot. I like him between the 20's and give him the speed advantage to break the big run. I still want Mafah in the red zones. Less chance of TFL and seems to excel in short yardage situations. This translates into featuring Mafah if I'm trying to burn clock and limit possessions and running Shipley if we're behind and trying to catch up.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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People have created this myth about Mafah. Shipley scored a lot of short yardage touchdowns over the last three years. Both guys have had fumble problems as well.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 21, 2023, 11:42 AM
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People have created this myth about Mafah. Shipley scored a lot of short yardage touchdowns over the last three years. Both guys have had fumble problems as well.
This is true -- however, for whatever reason this year, Mafah has been the better short-yardage back. Ship has been stood up A BUNCH compared to prior seasons where he seemed to will his way through for that yard or two.
If we're being honest though, Quadzilla or Adams Jr look like they have a quicker first step than both and I wouldn't mind using either of those to hit the hole on short-yardage situations either.
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So what if he does?
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Nov 20, 2023, 1:35 PM
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- He's not played up to expectations. Between the fumbling and the comparatively low YPC, he hasn't been the home run hitter we've come to expect from Clemson greats. I still remember his drop against Pitt in 2021.
- His body language this year has suggested an attitude problem in more ways than a general "I'm mad at myself" expression. I'd rather have a lesser talented player on my team than an attitude problem guy. You can coach up a less talented guy; dudes with attitude problems often can't be corrected.
- Next man up. He's not the only guy that can run it. Mafah will feast. Thomas will get some reps and he runs haaaaard. We don't go deeper than two backs anyway except for garbage time, and we'll see what comes of the 2024 recruits.
- If a guy doesn't want to be here, or is halfhearted about it, I'd just as soon him move on.
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Re: So what if he does?
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I agree. Mafah has better vision. Shipley is great in the open field, but he gets tunnel vision on dive plays and ends up (it seems) getting one or two yards on first and second down plays. His occasional flashes in the open field almost don't make up for the lackluster play in the early downs. I saw Mafah getting 6 and 7 yards on dive plays consistently this last game.
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Where are you getting this body language BS
Nov 21, 2023, 11:26 AM
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One issue with him and CJ where neither man has held on to anything from that day. Is that what you’re broadly referring to as body language? Seems you’re trying too hard to make something out of on meaningless situation.
If you watch CJ and Ship on the sidelines it’s obvious they have a great coach/player relationship.
Folks, stop trying to make something out of nothing. If Ship decides to go pro then so be it, but nothing in his playing approach or body language suggests there’s a problem. That’s a fan made myth.
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Better dump those
Nov 20, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Ship Happens shirts. Definitely don’t print anymore.
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Re: Better dump those
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Nov 20, 2023, 1:45 PM
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Why is there speculation that Shipley could leave and none about Mafah?
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Re: Better dump those
Nov 20, 2023, 1:54 PM
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Could also follow girlfriend to VT?
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Re: Better dump those
Nov 20, 2023, 1:58 PM
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I think Mafah knows he will be RB1 next year and since he and Ship are roommates, he also knows what Ship plans to do.
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Re: Better dump those
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Well my understanding is because he ran down the Hill with the seniors it means he's gone; whether that's to the NFL or transfer.
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Youre understanding is not correct.
Nov 21, 2023, 11:41 AM
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Shipley literally ran down the hill with seniors, “just in case”. That’s it. There is nothing else to understand.
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I have no idea what he's thinking, but that would be a fairly blinkered
Nov 20, 2023, 2:01 PM
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analysis if he were to look at things that way. His average yards per carry are down this year - not a ton less, but about half a yard . . . his TD's are down to about a 1/3 of what it was last year . . despite his carries and yardage carries not being down by nearly the same percentage.
Throw in that that he missed a game (no one's fault), plus the OL is terrible this year, so that affects his production, and the rise of Mafah's abilities obviously affects Ship's carries, so there's that. I can't see any reason to assume that the diminishment was any purposeful lessening of his role. I think he'd be a huge aspect of the offense again next year if he were still here.
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Re: I have no idea what he's thinking, but that would be a fairly blinkered
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But I doubt his role would be much different than this year which is where I think the problem lies.
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Yeah, I think you're right on that first part . . .
Nov 20, 2023, 2:53 PM
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I don't think it would be much different either, but I can't see how that's a problem. He still had a big role and meaningful impact. If he's assuming a really great season is the the new baseline for minimum acceptability, then that's nuts.
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Re: Yeah, I think you're right on that first part . . .
Nov 20, 2023, 5:26 PM
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My overall point was I think he wants more of what he had last year than this year, and that isn’t going to happen here.
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" plus the OL is terrible this year,..." What?!!?!???
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What teams have you been watching?!??? Our OL has had probably 3 of the best games in a row of any Clemson OL in several years. They even won the Joe Moore Mid Season Honor Roll Award. Even Klubnik has been spewing superlatives...did you see the UNC game?!!?!??? You should correct your statement.
Go Tigers! Beat the #####!
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 3:38 PM
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You're overstating the importance of draft position for RBs. They're devalued in the league entirely. Going somewhere else and putting 300 more touches worth of wear on his body is not meaningfully going to change his prospects.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 5:29 PM
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His draft grade will say a lot. If it isn’t very good, he is going to have to show more to change it.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 6:55 PM
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And who knows what he is hearing on the outside. I’m sure there is an influence providing guidance on what he should do to enhance his prospects.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 11:33 PM
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Let's be honest. If he got every carry with two all-conference linemen in front of him, it's hard to imagine him being that much better. He's a poor man's Christian McCaffrey, which sounds like a high compliment, but he's nowhere near CMC's caliber.
If he got an assurance that he would go fourth round, he should take it. James Davis was a sixth round pick, and a better RB in my opinion. Gallman was drafted fourth round.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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Nov 20, 2023, 6:51 PM
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He still is the man. He has had a slightly down year compared to last year. But, nobody plays harder than him.
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Why does it sound that way?
Nov 20, 2023, 6:57 PM
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He seems truly torn based on what I heard come out of his mouth. What have you heard?
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Ring of Honor [21227]
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Re: Why does it sound that way?
Nov 20, 2023, 8:04 PM
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He said he hadn’t decided on what to do, but in case this was his last game in Death Valley, he wanted to make it a good one.
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Starter [369]
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Ok. But that doesnt say what you said.
Nov 21, 2023, 11:39 AM
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It was one interview where he clearly said he hasn’t made a decision on going pro, but he wanted to go down as a senior just in case.
One time. One interview. Completely non-committal. That’s it. We haven’t “heard” anything other than that.
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Freshman [-94]
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 20, 2023, 7:00 PM
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I sure am glad you morons weren't around when Hopkins and Watkins were here. You and your short memories and clueless dogging out have incredible players like you are doing to Shipley would have driven Hopkins to the portal had we had one back then. Just get smarter, less ignorant. Or go away thanks
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Ring of Honor [21227]
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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Nov 20, 2023, 7:04 PM
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Weren’t you supposed to be gone already after previously announcing your departure?
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Paw Warrior [4601]
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
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Nov 21, 2023, 12:54 AM
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Transferring to collect a fat check your last year of eligibility is going to become the norm for players that come up short of the NFL draft bubble. Hard to blame them. There needs to be some way to defensively bid NIL money to keep them.
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Dynasty Maker [3405]
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 21, 2023, 11:47 AM
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Transferring to collect a fat check your last year of eligibility is going to become the norm for players that come up short of the NFL draft bubble. Hard to blame them. There needs to be some way to defensively bid NIL money to keep them.
This ain't getting talked about enough IMO.
I could see RBs and other devalued positions (like Safety) doing this to max out the money since the chances of a second NFL contract being lucrative are going down.
Pulling back further, any EXCELLENT CFB player/household name could easily be hitting high 6-figures+ for one more year of CFB in the right location.
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Game Changer [1656]
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 21, 2023, 7:40 AM
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Give me some thunder and lightening again next year. Having both will only extend their longevity in the nfl
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 21, 2023, 7:45 AM
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Mafha can’t carry the load himself. The Tigers are a good team because they have both! Accept that and pull for both to be great Tigers … which they are.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 22, 2023, 11:32 AM
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He put up 186 rushing yards against ND by himself.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 21, 2023, 11:38 AM
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Speaking of the transfer portal what about that kid at Missouri. Div II RB and leads the SEC in rushing. Whoever decided to get that kid needs a raise. That performance against Tennessee was top 10 on my list of great individual performances.
Wish Shipley the best at whatever he decides. Plays hard but definitely needs to clean up a few things imo.
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Hes had some fumbles. Is that what you refer to cleaning up?
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Nov 21, 2023, 11:45 AM
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Turnovers haven’t been just a Shipley issue. Granted he’s had those redzone fumbles (and Mafah has fumbled as well), is that the one thing he needs to clean up or is there more yin your mind? I’m just curious why Shipley is catching so much flack in here. Yeah, the fumbles have been brutal, but the guy plays his tail off and is loved by players and coaches alike. Stop fumbling, period.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 21, 2023, 12:55 PM
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His role should be diminished because he can't hold onto the dang ball! That alone takes his draft grade down to just about zero.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 22, 2023, 9:57 AM
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Attitude seems to be pretty shixxy as well.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 22, 2023, 11:22 AM
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Shipley will never play a game in the NFL. He physically matured in High School. He seems to have attitude issues also. Time for better athletes to take his place and someone that is a team runner not one that needs to be consistency the center of attention.
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Rival Killer [2642]
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Mafah/Adams/Haynes/Eziomume are good enough***
Nov 22, 2023, 11:44 AM
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Rival Killer [2642]
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And Davidson***
Nov 22, 2023, 11:45 AM
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CU Guru [1530]
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 22, 2023, 11:52 AM
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Shipley faces very little chance of ever being drafted as a running back. He stands a glimmer of a chance of becoming a slot receiver. He's built like a lot of the great slot receivers in the pros.
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Re: I did not think Shipley transferring was a possibility but
Nov 22, 2023, 12:49 PM
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No Clemson transfer has made a big splash yet on "on the open market" except maybe Jaz Medussi who went to Wisconsin - but even he was very limited due to his multiple injuries while being there! Not a better option to just staying at Clemson for another year to improve his overall play!
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