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Orange Blooded [2350]
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$700k Wide Recievers
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Texting mickey this morning and I posed the question of what are we doing in the portal? I feel like we need to bring in a veteran WR and a person that can be a playmaker to go along side Brown and Williams. He said coaches feel good about the receiving core and not willing to pay $700k for a receiver. I don't like the landscape of college football as the next guy but we have to start playing the game. I know the incoming freshman are good but I would rather not rely on them right off the bat. Cade needs all the help he can get and a veteran guy would help I believe. He also said we will get 2-3 OL and a DE from the portal.
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As it stands right now, WE is US. The University cannot directly pay players,
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Dec 13, 2023, 7:54 AM
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other than stipends and schollys. NIL is (wink) separate and not connected in any way. So, pony up your portion of that $700K, and IPTAY doesn't count.
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Re: As it stands right now, WE is US. The University cannot directly pay players,
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Dec 13, 2023, 8:11 AM
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NIL is peanuts. The lawsuit challenging the NCAA, amateurism and compensation is on-going. This case which will be lost, will basically blow-up college athletics and force distribution of monies to players with no restrictions. Read about Dewayne Carter, the Duke player, he is named in the lawsuit.
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Re: As it stands right now, WE is US. The University cannot directly pay players,
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Dec 13, 2023, 8:17 AM
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Correct. So the NCAA wants the money to go into the colleges and universities directly, so all sports get paid money directly. Its a joke and money grab. IPTAY and 110% collective will have to support or fund the difference. So start saving now.
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Orange Beast [6583]
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Re: As it stands right now, WE is US. The University cannot directly pay players,
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Dec 13, 2023, 10:13 AM
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or say #### it, and do something else on Saturdays.
Message was edited by: RC Tiger®
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Ultimate Tiger [33006]
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Yep - that's when I quietly exit stage right . . . . was fun, but no thanks.***
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Solid Orange [1376]
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Re: Yep - that's when I quietly exit stage right . . . . was fun, but no thanks.***
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I’m a long time Heisman donor and I’m right there with you. It’s been great but this new pay for play aint for me.
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Ultimate Tiger [33006]
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Heisman as well . . . . doesn't make sense to me anymore.***
Dec 18, 2023, 2:11 PM
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It's the money and we all know it. My extreme take, is what if the universities took a stance of hey we are not gonna do football for 3-5 years. Force these kids into paying for their education the old fashion way. Most say that's never gonna happen, but if the universities actually want to fix it, that's tbe answer. Imagine if every student athlete football player was suddenly facing the possibility of only being able to play at like 30 schools. Theirs not enough spaces for them. Reality is that most of them without the sport would not get a degree. Hard lesson, but I say break them down to nothing. Harsh, but if you want to fix it, it will take an extreme measure.
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That's just a proposal. That is not the current rule.***
Dec 15, 2023, 2:33 PM
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Dec 13, 2023, 8:06 AM
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How long until someone finally posts an actual NIL agreement? I can't believe at this point, an agreement hasn't circulated on the web. I just struggle to see how all these other schools (minus Texas, A&M, USC, ND, Ohio St.) are able to make these types of offers. We keep hearing about this high dollar deals, I want to see one.
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Orange Blooded [2350]
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Dec 13, 2023, 8:12 AM
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I was just texting my buddy about this. It makes no since. Until there is set parameters though no one will know. Heck hearing Nebraska offering the Raiola kid $3 million to flip from Georgia. Has never taken a college snap. These teams like Nebraska are going to start doing this though to be relevant again. Throw money out there and see who bites. Tex AM did this a couple years ago though and we all see what happened there.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Dec 13, 2023, 8:22 AM
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It will end with the next lawsuit. Because players will have to be paid by the schools directly. The athletes want a revenue sharing model and NIL. NFL with no rules or contracts. Greed is good! Can club teams fill Death Valley?
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$3 Million is more than a lot of people will ever accumulate in earnings for an
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entire working CAREER. But, having it in one chunk makes it much less, as the Guvmint will get their grubby paws on a huge chunk of it. Still, with some sound financial planning, just that amount alone could make one financially secure for life. As such, you really can't fault kids for going after it, if the market is stupid enough to support such things.
The sad part of it is, the money is making them ignore what should be really important, the fact that they are STILL being given a free college education. Regardless of changing times, that still gives them a leg up in the job market, unless they just totally don't care, and major in basket weaving or something like that.
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Re: $3 Million is more than a lot of people will ever accumulate in earnings for an
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Dec 13, 2023, 9:24 AM
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Yea that’s my deal with kids getting that kind of money. Be curious to see how they are doing after 5 years. I can see my self at that age with that kind of money, it would not be pretty. Stupidity would prevail I feel sure.
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Athletic Dir [1154]
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Let's say it's $1.5M after taxes
Dec 13, 2023, 10:01 AM
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That is NOT going to pay for 50+ years of life for an 18 year old. Yes, that's a lot, and a great start, but he will not be set for life. In fact, I would bet that most of it would be gone before he's 25 if he does nothing else.
This whole thing is very sad.
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All-In [11058]
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1.5 Mill after taxes, invested wisely, could yield a 10% return! 150K per year
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is not bad!
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Rival Killer [3074]
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Re: 1.5 Mill after taxes, invested wisely, could yield a 10% return! 150K per year
Dec 15, 2023, 11:11 AM
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is not bad!
That's what we call "F-U" money. Even if you halved it to 5% - $75K per year = sign me up. You may not be able to live like a millionaire in the US but it can definitely be that rainy day fund when you wanna take a 6-12+ month break to do whatever.
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Re: $3 Million is more than a lot of people will ever accumulate in earnings for an
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The market is stupid enough to pay Jimbo Fisher $75 million to not coach. These P5 athletic departments have more money than they know what to do with, so they spend it on overpaid coaches/administrators and gold-plated facilities. Personally, I'd rather see some of it go to the players. So what if some of them waste it? It's their money. None of my business how they spend it.
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110%er [3927]
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Why is the education - degree - classes - grades still in the discussion?
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…in this college football pay-2-play business?
Seriously, WHY is there ANY academic component to ANYTHING related to these players playing for a college?
Is it to make the college “feel good” that they are actually somehow fulfilling their mission statement for these players?
Giving free tuition for classes to a SMALL percentage (2 or 3 football players in a class of 100) of the student population is practically impossible to measure in the university’s accounting and financial statements, i.e., letting these college football players attend classes has zero financial impact on the university. Think about how Ivy League universities GIVE AWAY classes through ONLINE VIEWING.
They simply couldn’t care less if the players on their football teams attend a class.
All of this evidenced by the universities accepting players transferring credits through the portal willy nilly, and then, somehow, somewhere bestowing a degree on the player for a worthless major.
Just get rid of the academic aspect of any of this. Make the players EMPLOYEES of the university. Create a player’s union.
At the very minimum, this approach would keep the football players out of trouble academically, ethically, and criminally (through a detachment as part of the student code of conduct).
The DUPLICITY and MORAL high ground taken by all parties about maintaining the academic integrity of college football is frankly, and at the minimum, INSULTING and DISGUSTING.
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I agree 100%. I'm tired of everyone pretending that
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Dec 15, 2023, 1:12 PM
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education matters in big time college athletics. For the most part, it doesn't.
Clemson does an outstanding job on this, and I'm super proud of the graduation rate and academic accomplishments of our student-athletes. But it's disingenuous to say that it's about education when you accept students on the basis of athletic performance and not academics.
Bottom line, the academic standards to be accepted at Clemson and every other power 5 school (yes, even Duke, Vandy, Stanford, Georgia Tech, etc.) are far below what it is for regular students. And that's ridiculous.
Plus, when athletes are directed toward athlete-friendly majors, and provided tons of extra services in terms of study halls, tutors, and separate testing accommodations, it really waters down the "student" aspect of student-athlete.
I know I'm making generalizations here, as I know there are certainly smart student-athletes who are academically capable who care a lot about their studies, but they are not the majority - especially in big time college athletics.
I'd like to see student-athletes be required to be accepted to a school based on academic achievement, separate from their athletic skills. But since that will never happen, I agree with you that they shouldn't be students at all. That way, at least the universities can regain some semblance of academic integrity.
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Associate AD [1065]
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Dec 18, 2023, 2:46 PM
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Cringe worthy.
Not only are you summing up what is wrong with college athletics, but the institution of higher learning as a whole. Athletics may get you in the door, but you are still expected to perform in the classroom as well as on the playing field. I, for one do not find it disingenuous or hypocritical to expect that from all Clemson students.
I am very proud of the degrees (yes, that's plural) I EARNED at Clemson University. And my blood boils whenever I'm asked where I went to school and once told, the response being "oh, that's a football school". As if that somehow lessens my credentials.
But let's not forget a few things here while we're in the process of trying to throw out the bath water:
Out-of-state tuition at dear ole CU is $50,000 plus. That would be around $200K for a 4-year degree. Now, I don't know if the money for scholarships moves from that column into the tuition column for the university, but it should.
Monies generated by revenue sports do not just go to the sports doing the generating. How many student athletes are we paying for that will not see one second at the professional level? How many Title IX athletes getting their education taken care of?
What I personally find incredulous is the "we can't stop it, so let's just make it legal" mentality. As if that somehow makes the problems go away. I can say without hesitation that the states that have made weed legal no longer have any arrest for smoking weed.
The Athletes on scholarship need to ask themselves the same question every student should ask: Why am I here? And just like the kid that wants to be an engineer or a nurse, the kid on track to be a professional athlete should have an appropriate track of study. At least in the sense that if they do not have a career on the field, they may have one off the field.
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Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
You see it on facebook in a meme and it is distributed as fact.
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However FL State made it work for them
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Jordan Travis made that team.
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Without a great QB, they looked horrible on offense. Without that QB, it wouldn’t matter who the transfers were.
FSU just peaked because the QB played great/elite. The portal hasn’t by itself elevated anyone.
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Re: Jordan Travis made that team.
Dec 15, 2023, 11:46 AM
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LOL
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Is that all you got? Now THATs funny!***
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Nico Iamaleava got $8,000,000 from UT Spryre fund. $350,000 in HS plus $2 million per year over 4 yrs in college.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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What would be more interesting would be a tax return from one of the top earners.....
These kids must have legal and financial advisors.... I guess the school retains them and offer their services to the kid. And if they get their own "agent" to negotiate NIL deals (legal side of it), how is that any different than hiring an "agent"?
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Orange Blooded [2350]
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They can have agents now. I have no idea how all that works. Dabo talks about tampering but it makes me wonder are there rules in place about agents talking to schools. An agents job is to get the most money for his client. Whos to say they aren't shopping a kid all year long to other schools. These kids that go into the portal one day and commit the next are talking to someone way before.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Rules? If they exist, doesn't seem like they are enforced. Wild West!
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Rival Killer [2990]
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They are. One of my good friends is an agent.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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How long until someone finally posts an actual NIL agreement? I can't believe at this point, an agreement hasn't circulated on the web. I just struggle to see how all these other schools (minus Texas, A&M, USC, ND, Ohio St.) are able to make these types of offers. We keep hearing about this high dollar deals, I want to see one.
It's unlikely that a deal between two private individuals gets posted on the interweb. I also wonder why an individual, unless filthy rich, would be willing to part with this amount of money just to help a college football team win a game. Just seems like there are so many other uses for the money than help an 18-year-old drive a Ferreri around campus.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Dec 13, 2023, 8:43 AM
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The thing is there are some deals getting done. All it will take is for a deal to fall through or a player just wanting to stir the pot. These things happen all the time now. How are these deals being recorded and then enforced, if not a written legal agreement, how are they being done?
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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I think the answer is the true market is much less than what is being published. Agents or others are trying to drive up the price.
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Tiger Titan [46381]
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This.***
Dec 15, 2023, 1:16 PM
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I agree, it's weird for adults to pay money just to get players
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to play for their favorite sports team.
It's a great example of how our priorities in society are out of whack.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Cade has all the help he needs. The rest is on him to have a great offseason and fix some bad habits and technique. He can win with this team if he gets closer to realizing his potential.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
Dec 13, 2023, 10:41 AM
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For the most part, I agree with you. With good luck, better technique will help CK2 with his accuracy problems. With good luck, intense coaching will lead him to making better decisions.
As for tools around him, we need better pass blocking from the RT position, for all of our TEs to block better (S.Ennis was our only excellent blocker at TE), and for our young TE’s to catch the ball consistently.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
Dec 13, 2023, 10:50 AM
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I'm hoping our new OL coach makes a difference in our blocking and I am also hoping our new #1 rated TE coming in can see the field early, if warranted.
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Orange Elite [5497]
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Gotta pay for what you want...
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You think PJ Hall just randomly decided to come back? No, he received NIL deals that compete with an NBA 2-way contract in value.
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Brownie is certainly playing the game. PJ made a good decision.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Unreal. Meanwhile all other teams that we are competing with are paying WRs to come to their school. We are losing starters and replacing them with freshman thy arent even on campus yet.
We are so screwed.
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1st off. like the kid, always hoped he'd Hit It.
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But let's BE REAL, Losing Collins is more akin to losing G Hop,not Watkins/Hopkins/Ross/Higgins. Stop acting like it is.
It was those said freshmen/RS freshmen/Rising Sophomores that had him hit the Portal.
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I can promise you we're not paying $700K for the WRs we're portalling. Juice was making that much after the 2022 season he put up. You can get really good G5 WRs for a fraction of that.
This is not a flame, but there seems to be a lot inaccurate excuse making as to why you're not using the portal. I don't know how Dabo could look at your WR room and be fine with it. I know there are 2 highly rated freshmen coming in. But they're still freshmen. Who knows how they'll work out.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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I agree that there are guys in the portal that won't cost $700k that would help us. But it's the narrative that many in our fanbase carry on.
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
Dec 13, 2023, 10:29 AM
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Can you share the list of those, and their prices?
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Orange Beast [6583]
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Show me the list of WR got $700k or close to that last year.
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Dec 13, 2023, 10:47 AM
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Proud of you. You agreed with me, and didn't call me coot!!
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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We had guys open all over the field that Cade simply wasn't seeing for a variety of reasons. A good offseason with Riley working on his technique, footwork and getting though his progressions quicker should help. Our WRs also need to have fewer drops and I think they will. If the new OL coach does his job, the line should be able to give Cade a bit more time in the pocket to find his open receivers. I'm hoping one of the new guys can become that downhill threat we seem to be missing but a couple of other guys may step up in that area as well.
This will be an important offseason on many fronts. I think starting off with UGA next season provides extra motivation to work harder as we prepare for that game. I'm excited about the talent we have, the coaches we have, and the prospects we have for next season.
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Yeah, you guys are an example of how awesome the portal is.
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Athletic Dir [1189]
TigerPulse: 86%
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You disputed nothing in his statement....
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Dec 15, 2023, 8:30 AM
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(accurate statement btw) but responded w/ a predictable insult. You are simultaneously irritated by the assertions and yet know them to true–
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Asst Coach [712]
TigerPulse: 98%
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Re: You disputed nothing in his statement....
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Dec 15, 2023, 12:01 PM
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Tigernet does not represent the Tiger fans I talk to in my everyday life. These people make posts for each other, and follow a narrative that is an echo chamber of excuses and Coach worship. All over a pulse. I tend to think if you took out the pulses, and the TDs and TUs, you would get considerably better discussion. I love Tigernet regardless, but it’s not a representation of reality.
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Orange Beast [6583]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: You disputed nothing in his statement....
Dec 15, 2023, 1:15 PM
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100%, been saying for a couple of years now - don't dare have a different thought on here or you're a Coot or a 1.5%er.
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Ring of Honor [21035]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Dec 13, 2023, 10:17 AM
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So how much is everyone donating to NIL?
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Valley Legend [12691]
TigerPulse: 100%
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I may be in the minority, but I do not want us to pay $700,000 to a WR
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Dec 13, 2023, 10:26 AM
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in the portal either. No thanks.
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Paw Warrior [4741]
TigerPulse: 100%
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And what happens if we develop these high school recruits?
Dec 15, 2023, 11:22 AM
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Will we lose them to the portal (I.e. money)? Clemson has got to get serious about our NIL program.
It’s why all our fans need to be looking at the 110 Society and helping out.
I’m just worried if we start going 8-4 every year if our fanbase will ever go ALL IN again. It’s almost magic to get the formula right.
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Asst Coach [712]
TigerPulse: 98%
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
Dec 15, 2023, 11:54 AM
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We all know the offense needs a WR to stretch the field and make the defenses honest. I don’t see anything on the roster now that will make things any different than 21-23 unless they hit big like Watkins on a freshman. Dabo not wanting to bid on one if that’s true, makes him look bad. He’s the 3rd highest paid coach in CFB. But he doesn’t want to pay a WR? Why? Even Mack Brown does. All this was cute until they got beat by DUKE, and then a big money portal WR beat us at home ( FSU).
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Tiger Titan [46381]
TigerPulse: 78%
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There is no way that's true.
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Dec 15, 2023, 1:17 PM
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I'm calling B.S. on $700,000 for wide receivers.
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Orange Beast [6583]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: There is no way that's true.
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Dec 15, 2023, 1:20 PM
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Agree, that's a statement that has show-me written all over it. It will definitely be the exception, not the rule. But some think if one WR gets $700k, they will all get it or they won't come.
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Letterman [290]
TigerPulse: 75%
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
Dec 15, 2023, 5:45 PM
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Ok. Where is your $700k NIL Check? Can you take a picture of your check and post it here?
Everyone, and i mean everyone that complains about the portal online ain't paying anything for NIL.
You guys are always just talkling about how to spend someone elses money.
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Game Changer [1709]
TigerPulse: 98%
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Re: $700k Wide Recievers
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Dec 15, 2023, 8:32 PM
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Brown and Williams may say…..
“Where’s MY money?”
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Rock Defender [53]
TigerPulse: 50%
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Julian Fleming (OSU WR)....
Dec 16, 2023, 10:02 AM
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Had a 400k+ NIL valuation tied to his name at Ohio State. The former #1 WR has left WRU and in all reality, kinda sucked at OSU. Lots of injuries.
Justin Flowe (Arizona LB) was the former #1 LB in the nation. We lost him to Oregon. Now he's playing with Arizona...
The list is endless....but million dollar donors seemingly love to pass their money onto to kids the same way they pass it on to politicians.
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