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Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Stats minus the turnovers we shouldn’t have lost but one game and we gave that one away.
Cade only played two games in ‘22.
Last season was his first starting, he improved as the season went along.
I personally believe he will mature and be much better this season.
Our Daniel connection showed out in the spring game. I’m sure we were showing Georgia exactly what we showed them in the spring game.
It’s going to be a fun season for all of us to watch! Let’s go Tigers 🐅🐅🐅🐅🐅
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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All the top QBs last year were 5th and 6th yr guys. And even one of them was 7th yr dude. Now Cade was being compared as a RS Freshman to those older guys and our 2 previous studs. When Cade has started for 3-4 seasons, then he should be topshelf but he was basically a freshman starter last year.
In other words, yes the expectations are too high. Our WR's were barely avg, or OL barely avg and our RBs were barely above avg. We didn't have multiple players on the field that could House the ball on any plays. When our better years were among us, none of the statements above were true. We had multiple players that could House the ball. I think getting Luke to build OL and WR's getting next level will change our offense tremendously.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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The problem according to Tnet is we are not getting all the five stars because Dabo won’t pay players instead he chooses to pay assistant coaches. He refuses to go get the me first and money guys who have already figured out who is gonna pay them and committed before entering the portal. Then when they stick their hands out and want to know how much they are getting paid and who their backup is and he tells them they have to earn their spot on the team, but that’s why they are leaving the team they were playing for and they think they should be given a starting spot and lots of money and they go somewhere else. That’s why Clemson is not keeping up. It’s all Dabo and the fact that he cares about the guys he recruits and stands behind his players and his word in a me first win at all cost world.
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Yes, it is all Dabo.
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His refusal to embrace the transfer portal and NIL is HIS choice. He doesn’t get a pass or a get out of jail free card because he has chosen to make things harder on himself and the team.
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Re: Yes, it is all Dabo.
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If Clemson wins at least one playoff game this year without the portal will you shut up from now on when it comes to Dabo? Probably not, you’ll just disappear for awhile again. How about support Dabo at least half as much as you’ve crawled Brad’s anoose.
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Re: Yes, it is all Dabo.
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If we win one playoff game and one only - people will complain and say “if we had used the portal we’d have gone further”.
So JK will be one of many voices again.
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Re: Yes, it is all Dabo.
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If we make the playoffs and win a game I will gladly call the season a success.
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However, seasons like that should be the expectation at this point, given our investment in our football program and coaches.
If we don’t make the playoffs and win a game, will you acknowledge that Dabo has underachieved?
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Re: If we make the playoffs and win a game I will gladly call the season a success.
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I will agree on expectations now to get into the 12 team playoff, but the winning part is ridiculous. Every says we should do this or do that because what we have invested in football. Well here is a big secret people don’t know lots of other schools put more money into their football program than we do. You have to look at each years team and decide on what the expectations are not what the football budget is. Same goes for every sport.
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Re: If we make the playoffs and win a game I will gladly call the season a success.
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No, I would be disappointed with the season given what we have coming back and how the roster looks this compared to last year. Dabo has already overachieved and kept the program from doing the common drop off like LSU and I would bet Michigan goes 8-4, 7-5 this season. Underachieving would be 6-6 to me, and I don’t see that happening.
You sound like you believe all of the idiot journalists and their employers’ motives.
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Re: Yes, it is all Dabo.
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Or even within the next 2 years he will be proven wrong.
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Re: Yes, it is all Dabo.
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We're kind of living in post-haze wonderland with this portal and NIL stuff. Yeah, it's settled down and is now a 'commodity' in College athletics, but I think both experiments have yet to go through a full-blown reality check. Yes, in the short term both look to be great solutions for the athletes. But in the long term, what do they really get? What long-term impacts do those short-term solutions have on the longevity of a program of the success of their athletes?
Dabo has this place to be built for the long-haul. If NIL or the portal were to disappear tomorrow, we'd be the best equipped team in the Nation to handle that hypothetical situation.
BTW-I like the concept of the Portal being used for "filler" but complete roster-overhauls are dangerous and it won't take long for athletes going to Florida State or Colorado to realize that their recruiting or portal-re-recruiting is only as valuable as long as there isn't a bright new shiny object that comes available.
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Re: Yes, it is all Dabo.
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Neither one of those things is going anywhere though. You’ve seen the NCAA sit on their hands and screw up every decision they can make, so they won’t be able to do anything. And once we opened this box it is never going back. Be US Courts will not allow it to go back to sitting out a year and no NIL. Unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong there is no reversing this. So why do we continue to fight both?
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Re: Yes, it is all Dabo.
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I agree with you yobagoyajambalaya the toothpaste is out and will not go back in; these commodities are here to stay.
I guess I should clarify...my first comment was more related to unintentional repercussion's (maybe with supporting metrics), for instance:
Does the % of likelihood to go Pro increase or decrease with Portal/NIL usage?
Will there be multi-Nillionaire athletes who also win the Heisman and/or Natty?
Do multi-Nillionaire athletes even make it to the next level, or is their money in hand enough to distract them from their pro-dreams?
Does the Portal or NIL ever fall into a 'tampering' or 'monopoly' scheme, and if so as you mentioned, will there be courts that curb that?
Do the guys that are going to go Pro (let's just say DW4 or TL16)...are they persuaded by money knowing they will make it big time later? Are they less likely to go to a program that features high amounts of turnover (from NIL and/or the Portal)?
Do NIL donors get smart and limit their endorsement to keeping the kid at the school they are helping recruit? What type of guarantee do these donors have, said recruit doesn't end up taking another round of financial influence from a rival school via transfer portal once on campus?
I know those are more rhetorical questions, and many that I haven't been able to wrap my head around and answer yet. I think what I'm getting at is yeah some coaches are going to use NIL and the Portal like dope-fiends to "just win now". But what IS the long term impact, and how does Clemson exploit that?
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Re: Yes, it is all Dabo.
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Good morning Judge, I have a thought provoking question for you. I certainly don’t know the answer…. And probably never will …
Is it Dabo’s decision (NIL/Portal) or does it come from a higher level within the university?
[Let me give this example and it is only an example (don’t want to start a bash session on this team - Clemson should be above that)… I have often thought about S Carolina and what has happened with that program over the years. They have never been able to consistently get on the “winning” side of things. They pretty much ruined the legacy of two great coaches. I have often thought that their problem was well above the athletic department. ]
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Re: Yes, it is all Dabo.
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And if he doesn't, so what? Are we going to let you run the team? Good grief...
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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I don’t think we are expecting too much out of Cade…I just don’t think we expecting enough out of his Coach. Highest paid or one of the highest paid assistants in the country…and he had a top QB in the country handed to him….and our offensive stats got significantly worse in every category. We said GR just needed to bring in his own players…and he signed ZERO his first year, and two 3 stars since then. Maybe this kid will be great, but all we have to go by right now are his ratings. And with our previous QB coach, 3 stars were only signed after we had just signed the number one (or at least one of the top players depending on who was doing the ranking) player in the country (4-5 times in a 9-10 year span). Not saying that GR doesn’t deserve more time, but he’s already been in this role longer than his predecessor, getting paid twice as much, and done significantly less with that time.
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Drake Maye wasn't either...nor was JJ McCarthy***
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Re: Caleb Williams wasnt a 5-6th year guy***
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How many starts did he have? Do you remember the plays he made as a Freshman? There are generational QBs out there we were lucky and got 2 back to back. Most college qbs need starts to gain experience needed to master their crafts.
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I saw the kid play in HS. I saw several games streaming his senior year. I saw a kid that won 3 consecutive state championship at the highest level of competition in Texas.
I'm expecting a lot. But, not too much.
I'm expecting that with a quality OL and a healthy corp of WRs Clemson will be back in Charlotte. I don't think that's expecting too much of Cade.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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The future of college sports AND coaching will totally depend on the money available to develop a team. IF you can’t see this you are totally blind. No longer will great coaching be the deciding factor in success. MONEY WILL be the deciding factor in who is great and who isn’t ! Clemson will never have a fan base willing to spend the money to compete with the power ($) schools. Accept this because it is a truthful opinion . Many of you make rude remarks about IPTAY but it has been the life blood of Tiger sports since its conception. The money universities will buy their way to greatness .
NIA will totally ruin college athletics …. Starting RIGHT NOW!
Our Tigers have already felt the punch.
If you disagree with this feel free to TD this post…. OR join IPTAY!
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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The NIL money makes it almost impossible for Clemson to buy players out of the free agent market called the transfer portal. Dabo doesn't want to come out and admit that fact, and it's my opinion that is the real reason he has stuck to his story about taking HS recruits over the portal. It's also my opinion that portal guys have already gained some experience over HS recruits even if it isn't but one year, it's more than a raw HS recruit has!!!
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Interesting take****
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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This is incredibly well said. Great coaching only goes so far. At the end of the game the talent on the field produces wins and losses. You can coach an entire roster of 3 stars to 9 or maybe 10 wins, but you need top level talent to compete for titles. Clemson is choosing to not pay for talent, I respect this route, but we may need ro adjust our expectations going forward. Money is the driving factor for college sports. Money is the driving factor for Clemson and FSU filing suit to leave the ACC. It's turning me off from college sports as a whole, but it seems to be the new normal moving forward.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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You are mostly wrong...many schools have had unlimited money forever as ND were buying kids when others did not or could not! They still could not win natties...UT, TAMU, USC, OSU! Bama was about coaching, so was OK with Wilkinson! Great coaches can make a 3 into a 5...last few FSU HC's made 3's out of five all the way back to Dumbo Fishnet who worked his magic at A&M..new coach makes selfish quitters out of football players! We will see how we'll sharecroppers do in these new fields!
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Fair points, buying players does not immediately equal a championship. However, if you look at the past Champs, even including those with great coaches such as Saban and Dabo, generational talent was on the field. When Clemson won the title we had generational talent at QB. Did our coaching make them better? Sure, but let's be honest...DW and TL could have lead any team to victory. I fear that these types of players will no longer be considering Clemson and all of our charms if the other outcome is a six-figure paycheck. It doesn't mean it can't be done but it's definetly an uphill battle. The first victory we need is in the court of law, winning and Exit from the ACC and a bid to SEC/Big 10.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Absolutely not, and I believe that some may think that bc we've never seen Cade with really good WR's, TE's and an OL that actually knew what they're job as an O Lineman actually was. We will see a different Cade Klubnik behind center if he doesn't have to run for his life 2 to 3 downs every time he comes in the game, or every time the chains have been reset. I do believe that bc his HS film was awesome when he had good receivers and O Linemen that new their jobs!!!
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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This is the first year I am really expecting something. Before I thought he needed weight, maturity, a better OL, and weapons to throw to. I didn't like Streeter either. This year I am expecting something from Cade and Riley.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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I can give him a pass for last year but this needs to be the “no excuses” year…
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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DW4 and TL16 had a much better receiving core than what Cade had last season, but he was still expected to do the very same things that DW4 and TL16 done with better and more tools than what Cade had!!!!
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Which is why I said I could give him a pass last year. This year he has some playmakers and what should be a better OL so this has to be a year of improvement.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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I understand that the ol coach is better, but are the players he has to work with any better?
Michael Jordan could be my coach but I am never going to play d1 basketball.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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This group of playmakers is probably not even in the top 50% of the most talented offensive units under Dabo but if we can’t win with these RBs and WRs the 2020s are going to be a frustrating decade because the talent coming in isn’t going to be some huge step up.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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I think this should be the mind set for Clemson fans. Give him at least 6 games into this season before throwing him into the bust category. DJ got close to 20 games before he got the label and he had better talent around him.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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The thing about Cade is he doesn't need to try to do too much. That's when the issues begin. Just run the offense.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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I expect he will be a step or two better than last year which is typical in the second year as a starter
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Yeah, something about him makes me cringe.
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1 thing I like about Cade is mistakes don't cause him to lose confidence.
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He doesn't withdraw into a shell and lose his aggressiveness. He keeps firing away. DJ would screw up and lose his confidence.
Deshaun used to throw a lot of picks, but it didn't stop him from being aggressive.
Cade is a talented athlete playing the hardest position in sports.
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I like this take. Some find his attitude off putting,
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But you may be right. He’ll keep on charging, regardless of what happened on the last play.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Rivals 2022 pro style QB ratings
Of the top ten QB's in the class only 3 are starters
CK , Allar and Murphy
QB rating
CK 55
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Judging by these numbers alone only Allar at PSU is outperforming CK
https://rivals.rivals.com/position_rankings/Football/2022/PRO
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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No, we aren't.
Right now he's behind Boyd.
####, he's behind Parker, Bryant, and Brice.
He needs to get better and be more consistent.
He still looks lost out there.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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I think the expectations are high, but that's because Cade's ceiling is also super-high.
That being said, I do expect we will see Cade dominate this year. I think that because I expect he's been in Riley's system long enough now, has starting experience, Riley is tailoring the WR Corp and playbook to his abilities, and the OL is going to be much improved.
I say we put out trust in the kid, give him a little room for some sophomoric mistakes, but overall know he's going to be a stud.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Somebody said above that CK2 doesn’t have the receivers that DW and TL had and that is absolutely correct. I wish that DW had the Talent that TL had or that TL had the will and heart that DW had. DW absolutely refused to give up and did not accept defeat. If TL had DW’s will and heart Clemson would have a lot more National titles in the trophy case. But both TL and DW had receivers who could go and cover up mistakes they also both had really good running backs in the Wayne Train and ETN (best to ever put pads on in ACC). If CK gets some receivers and a little help from the o line it’s going to be fun to watch!
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Jul 6, 2024, 7:34 PM
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He was the #1 overall QB in high school, went undefeated and won three state titles in Texas.
No. We aren’t expecting too much out of him.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Jul 6, 2024, 8:57 PM
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His play last year did not match his physical skill set. He was listed as a dual threat. He can throw the ball really well. He lacked the confidence. I think mentally the game wasn’t there for him, and two, he didn’t have the confidence due to how poor the Oline was. He really was never comfortable in the backfield. He is by no means Deshaun or Lawrence, but he can get us back to the cfp IF he has the confidence. The offensive line has to play better. I’m more worried about the offensive line than I am Cade, because I feel like Cade will be better of the line can get better
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Jul 7, 2024, 9:49 AM
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He's listed as Pro style QB by Rivals
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NO! His jump this year is anticipated to be
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Jul 6, 2024, 9:03 PM
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a big one. Experience is huge I’m at the position unless the QB is TL or DW4 who collectively have 1/2 BILLION dollar contracts.
Our OL and WR will be way better. Cade is sure to leap in production.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Jul 7, 2024, 12:44 AM
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To answer, no. I don’t think anyone should expect Deshaun Watson every year, but Clemson should have a QB that wins consistently.
Not one that cannot figure out how to stop turning it over.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Jul 7, 2024, 3:23 AM
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#### no. He’s incompetent of running a college offense. He shouldn’t be an eyesore going into his junior season. He probably will be benched at some point and could be during the opener. Especially if he pulls a usual, and has about 3 turnovers
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Jul 7, 2024, 6:56 AM
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Just expecting him to be Trevor or DW. Don’t think that’s too much LOL
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Jul 7, 2024, 10:59 AM
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Cade needs to be more assertive and make better decisions. I don’t see it happening. Will Dabo pull the trigger on him, or stick with him like he did with DJ? As you can tell, I am not optimistic. Fan since my freshman year 1968.IPTAY member since 1973. I have seen all the changes and I hope Dabo can coach in the current pay to play environment. Go Tigers.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
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Jul 7, 2024, 11:10 AM
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I gotta admit, Cade is a mystery to me and so was OC Riley last season.
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Re: Are we expecting to much out of Cade?
Jul 8, 2024, 4:39 PM
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Btw it’s TOO*
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Unfortunately I'm not expecting a whole lot
Jul 8, 2024, 4:52 PM
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He hasn't shown the poise or game acumen of DW4 or Trevor yet. It's not fair to compare his physical gifts to those guys but I had hoped his game management woulda been better. I hope he surprises me this year.
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