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Arch Manning and Clemson To SEC
Jul 26, 2021, 9:42 AM
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With Texas and OU saying they are a a done deal to the SEC, you can also count Arch Manning a done deal to the SEC. Kid would be crazy not to now play in the SEC. And his family roots are not crazy. Clemson moving to SEC would have good shot at getting him.
Without Clemson, the ACC wouldn't be squat. And we have never got the respect from the ACC that we deserved. We have carried their assss for the past decade. We should have been getting a bigger piece of the money pie.
Time to say adios to ACC and hello SEC. Who would you rather see in death valley?
Alabama v Clemson or Wake Forest v Clemson
Texas v Clemson or Duke v Clemson
Oklahoma v Clemson or GT v Clemson
Ga. V Clemson or Pitt v Clemson
Auburn v Clemson or Cuse v Clemson
Florida v Clemson or Looserville v Clemson
You get the picture.
We would have to enlarge death valley and we would be on National tv for many, many games and exposure for recruiting would be off the charts. And Dabo could compete with the best in the SEC.
Ringy dingy from Jim Phillips to SEC. "Hello, you got room for one more top notch FB program? If so, Clemson is ready to join." That's what should have already happened.
Full disclosure. I think ACC suckkkkks.
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Re: Arch Manning and Clemson To SEC
Jul 26, 2021, 9:47 AM
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Tell us how you really feel. I for one agree with you. Rest of the teams in the ACC need to step it up. FSU needs to get back to it's glory days as does Miami. UNC can just go suck it. Go Tigers!
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Re: Arch Manning and Clemson To SEC
Jul 26, 2021, 10:12 AM
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I preference is easy;
Wake over Alabama - not having Wake would actually cause me to see fewer games as WS is my closest game. Every-other year, it is a defacto home game at our satilite training facility. Play bama when it matters, like in Cali.
Duke over Texas - I don't give a coot about Texas. Duke matters although we dont see them anymore often enough.
I would be willing to schedule GT twice every season.
Georgia, Auburn, ehhh, ok. - But that is because I don't care about the Yanks either. Pitt isnt bad overall. But playing one of the two each year is enough
Don't care about Florida nor UofL
On the other hand, I would realistically rather play any ACC school over the coots but alas. Beating them is better than not.
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If Texas and OU go to the SEC then we're a definite to be in
Jul 26, 2021, 10:17 AM
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CFP every year by staying put in the ACC. Moving to the SEC would only hurt our chances of getting to the playoff on a yearly basis. So will be the same case for those two schools. They'll make more money but they'll be hit or miss for the CFP while right now they've got a pretty realistic shot if they win their conference. All the Big 12 has to do is add a conference championship game and they're champ is a definite to get in every year. BTW, I don't give a rip what the other teams in the ACC do.. keep sukking for all i care. I care about our record and our prospects of getting to the playoff. You can't win it all if you aint in the playoff.
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Re: If Texas and OU go to the SEC then we're a definite to be in
Jul 26, 2021, 10:31 AM
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I think this is the right take.
I think you will see more 6-2 (or worse) SEC schools as compared to 7-1 or 8-0 in their own Championship game. Just look at both Texas and OU in recent years. I don't see teams running the table as easily and if they do, then that division would be viewed as "down".
I don't think that other conferences would be all that eager to support SEC getting +1s just because they are "bigger" - quite the opposite in fact. They are intentionally splitting the pie into small pieces of hardware. I don't think you will have the other conferences lining up to support a 3rd/4th place finish in the SEC as a national contender.
If anything, this *might* cause the SEC to weaken. Why? Long-term, kids want to win. This has been happening even on the basketball side with mid-majors. I think a lot of kids want to win anywhere at 10-2 (or better) vs 7-5 at Texas/UGA/Auburn (again, this is the Texas issue as kids wanted to win at TCU over Austin). I think the mid-level programs are going to weaken. We have already seen it with Arky, OlMiss, UT, and even mizzou. The bottom keeps getting deeper for Vandy and the Coots.
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Re: If Texas and OU go to the SEC then we're a definite to be in
Jul 26, 2021, 11:18 AM
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Any why does that require us competing in the SEC?
I rather play our regional peers and beat the snot out of them rather than joining in a sometimes great, sometimes not conference. I mean, do you remember the time a undefeated SEC was left out of a national title contention because there was an undefeated Big East team? I do...
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Re: If Texas and OU go to the SEC then we're a definite to be in
Jul 26, 2021, 1:26 PM
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However, It would be fun and interesting to see some competitive regular season games.
It will be increasingly difficult to convince top-flight recruits to come sleepwalk through the ACC conference schedule just to get to the playoffs, where we have struggled recently. And, yes, we steamrolled Bama in 2018, but that game is getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
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My advice.. don't say any of that to Dabo on a face to face
Jul 27, 2021, 1:15 PM
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The whole point is the CFP Championship. Getting there is the most important thing to sell recruits, sell sponsers, sell parents..etc. REgular season matchups are cool do doubt but is something Clemson fans used to consider important...b/c we weren't a contender for a title. WE loved it when #1 FSU or #5 Miami came into to the valley b/c we all believe this was the year we were going to upset them so that we can get a Peach Bowl bid. Now its about winning as many games during the season to qualify. And whether you like it or not..if you join the SEC you'll have ups and downs and even if you're good enough you many not qualify.
REmember the 2016 season. WE heard all year how Deshaun and company were slumping, looked sloppy, looked like another ACC team.... then we proved it and got beat by Pitt...shocked all of us.. What happened..that team that we were told was not good enough, shouldn't be considered for the CFP b/c of a loss to lowly Pitt, got into the CFP b/c they won a conference championship and then preceded to blow out O31-O State and then beat the greatest defense in the history of college football in Bama. I lay all that out to implore you to ignore the conference haters.. they're just miserable b/c most there teams have NO shot to compete for a title. WE have a chance every year. WE are sitting pretty. Kids wanna win a ring. We are in the catbird seat and leaving it b/c your miserable perennial loser SEC team friends say the ACC sux just dont' understand the jokes on them.
Great matchups and entertainment in the SEC. But BAMA will still be king and they're all playing for second. While Clemson is still in it. i'll take my chances.
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Re: Arch Manning and Clemson To SEC
Jul 26, 2021, 10:36 AM
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I prefer to be a big fish in a small pond rather than an average size fish in a large pond. Before NIL, transfer portal, and playoff expansion then I would have said yes but I am not certain that we would be a top three program year in and year out in the SEC. You can forget being in the playoff every year. Do you honestly believe that Clemson can compete with the NIL payout of Austin/Dallas, Tuscaloosa, Norman, maybe Gainesville, College Station, etc?
I get the "go big or go home" mentality and it looks great on paper, until it is not, and you're sitting back at 8-4 or 9-3 and on the outside looking in for consecutive years.
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Big fish can only survive for so long when the small ponds dry up***
Jul 26, 2021, 1:46 PM
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Re: Big fish can only survive for so long when the small ponds dry up***
Jul 27, 2021, 1:01 PM
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At least it won't be an immediate death and feeding frenzy by other big fish. We've talked about this ad nauseam during other opportunities to jump ship. USC jr won't vote in favor of it and quite frankly once the newness wears off then we would be licking our wounds, wondering why we jumped for a few extra million. Some recruits actually value the academic accolades of the ACC and a perennial conference champ over a fourth or fifth placed SEC member. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. I trust the BOT and conference to create suitable intraconference competition.
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Re: Arch Manning and Clemson To SEC
Jul 26, 2021, 10:37 AM
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I like this Cade Klubnick kid better than Manning anyways.
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Your premise on Arch Manning is dead wrong
Jul 26, 2021, 11:15 AM
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Trevor played at Clemson, had a great career, lost 2 games total in 3 years and was the #1 pick in the NFL draft. Clemson was not in the SEC. OU and UT moving to the SEC doesn't change the comparison.
Bottom line: Arch Manning would not be crazy choosing Clemson instead of going to the SEC.
You've drunk too much SEC Kool Aid.
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Re: Your premise on Arch Manning is dead wrong
Jul 26, 2021, 1:29 PM
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Have not drank too much SEC koolaid. Times have changed drastically in the past month. Cannot even compare how the college FB landscape is now compared to when TL committed. Living in the past will not get you into the future.
Drinking the ACC koolaide is what is dangerous. The ACC is nothing in FB w/o Clemson. That horse can't be ridden forever.
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Good points on the long term
Jul 26, 2021, 4:34 PM
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But Arch Manning won't base his decision on us joining the SEC or not. This is what I was addressing.
Regarding the longer term, I'm with you the ACC is nothing without Clemson football. If joining the SEC or B1G is best for the program, I'm all for it.
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Re: Arch Manning and Clemson To SEC
Jul 26, 2021, 1:06 PM
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I had him going to Texas even before this.
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Re: Arch Manning and Clemson To SEC
Jul 26, 2021, 2:43 PM
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Two things that i disagree with in your statement-
Dabo- has shown that he can compete with anybody- 13-3 against the SEC and the two of the loss's came in the Championship game- the other was to Alabama, which went on to win the Championship.
The other being- that the OKies and horns are going to magically become relevant because they have join with the might SEC. Texas has been "BACK" what the past six years? The last time that Okies played in the Championship game was what the first play off game?
Middle of the road in the SEC. If Alabama were to be in in opposite division of Alabama - I still think Clemson would be in the hunt every year. Money wise- not a chance!
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Re: Arch Manning and Clemson To SEC
Jul 26, 2021, 2:53 PM
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At least if we played in the SEC we would get to watch more than two quarters of real football on occasion. We pay good money ?? now for tickets and only see half of a real game.
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^^^
Jul 27, 2021, 9:14 AM
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Under rated poast!
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