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Air Traffic Controllers boo hoo
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Just watched a news segment highliting a family of 4 in which both spouses are ATCs and they are saying they cant make ends meet during the shutdown.
ATCs median annual pay is $135k. Even if these 2 are averaging, say $110k, they are living paycheck to paycheck?
WTEff is wrong with this?
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This is a fine example in the difference between being poor and
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Nov 11, 2025, 10:10 AM
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being broke. Do you recall where they lived?
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No, didnt catch it. Im sure this is media hype***
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Both wage earners suddenly getting no paycheck isn't really hype.
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I'd venture that it would be a yuge problem for many.
And before you accuse them of not having savings, maybe they do and they are trying to avoid running through it.
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It certainly would be, it would just be a huger problem if both people in the
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house made say $40k per year. They aren't in a position to make better choices, this couple seemingly would be.
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Maybe in a vaccuum but lots of variables there
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Nov 11, 2025, 10:42 AM
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depending on location, existing debt, age/quantity of kids, college tuitions or no, etc.
Think DINKS making $40k living in a trailer in rural Arkansas vs having 3 kids aged 17-21 with 2 in college living in Chicago or LA or NYC or San Fran or Austin TX or Sugar Creek in Greer for that matter.
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You really think there are any DINKS in a trailer in Arkansas. The DINKS are
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Nov 11, 2025, 10:44 AM
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far more likely to be in the rich places. But in the rich places there are also families living on that small salary and unable to make some of the choices that the 200k family can.
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Tiger Titan [50797]
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Just pointing out extremes. Fact of the matter is we don't know what
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Nov 11, 2025, 10:56 AM
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situation the family referenced in the OP is in.
Point is, $200k ain't some level where all options are on the table financially in all cases.
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This is true. Now if we could just get the 200k families to hate the
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Nov 11, 2025, 11:13 AM
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rich folks as much as they hate the nearly homeless...
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lol, the $200k families are alot closer to the po folks than the rich ones.***
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Absolutely they are, but sometimes don't behave that way when it matters.
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But that is a discussion for another board.
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Well ####, one must be under 31 to apply for the job. I need to
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Nov 11, 2025, 10:19 AM
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go find myself an age discrimination lawyer. No telling the pissy job those two may have had before, but depending on the city I bet they went off and bought way too much house. When I got a 50% raise for changing jobs I could have easily given up on this house and bought a bigger one, but that would have been very stupid. The only "Lifestyle Inflation" I did to myself (before buying the truck) was increase all the places I hide money from myself.
https://www.faa.gov/air-traffic-controller-qualifications
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Assume 220K total
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at 41/365 days = $25K after tax = $17,000.
I would hate to give up $17K. Imagine having student loans, child care, mortgage on a home purchased in last 4 yrs.
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Or having a few teenagers and having to
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pay multiple car insurances, tuitions, car repairs, etc.
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I'm in that sweet spot in between
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Minimal child care for after school for 1 kid.
No drivers, no braces, no zits.
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Braces....that has been a revelation into expensive things. Wife got Invisalign
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at the same time daughter got braces. That was after middle kid got his first braces that correct underbite.
I've paid for three sets of braces in the last 4 years. Got 2 more sets to go, at least, and two kids will need dental implants. Apparently my genetics and wife's genetics cause adult teeth to be missing.
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BOO HOO. SHOULD HAVE SAVED MORE.
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Re: Or having a few teenagers and having to
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Nov 11, 2025, 12:43 PM
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Sofa king true. Wanting to give you kids a soft launch into the world is a dad sacrifice many of us make.
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Re: Assume 220K total
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They might be paying for life insurance policies etc as well. College fund maybe? They may also live in California, Florida, NY, etc, expensive places.
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It's actually paycheck to paycheck x 6 weeks. I think most families would be
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struggling by the end of that.
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Oops 7 weeks, sorry.***
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Back pay doesn't pay this month's mortgage. Not everybody has rich daddy to
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float them.
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Imagine your reaction to a dual income home losing both jobs as
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BOO HOO.
SMH.
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to be fair
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in his day, a household income of $220k put you in Thornblade
thanks, gramps. really left us an awesome economic environment
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Tiger Titan [50797]
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Right. And today $220k doesn't make even
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townhome living super cush.
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and how do we think that happened?
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couldn't have been an entire generation of selfish pieces of #### completely ravaging the greatest economic engine humanity has ever seen, could it?
#### boomers
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HEY YOU JUST KEEP TAKING THE CLOT SHOT AND BEING POOR SIR***
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It's cool though, at least we'll get a taste of that sweet sweet social security
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Oh wait they took that too?
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SMH YOU YOUNG PEOPLE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR FREE HANDOUTS***
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Re: Right. And today $220k doesn't make even
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The townhome I rent out is $1750 a month and close to Eastside High. I rent it to a couple w 2 boys 8 & 10, and they just had a baby. 3 bedroom, 2.5 baths w a garage and a back screened in porch.
The Dad works for the company I used to as a merchandiser so I know he only makes like 55k at most, and the Mom works as a secretary or something like that. I’m not even sure how they can afford it and put food on the table.
And it’s not like I’m making bank or anything on the TH. Almost 5k a year taxes, plus had a few things I had to have repaired this year, HOA is $100 a month too. If I had a mortgage on it I’d be losing money.
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Re: Imagine your reaction to a dual income home losing both jobs as
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Regardless of my financial circumstances, I'd be pizzed if I was working and not getting a paycheck, even if I knew it was coming later - das BS.
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Friend of daughter's dad is active duty, wife runs a christian school. They had
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to switch to her paycheck only for a while, had to call bank to defer a car payment or two, had to shrink lifestyle quick. Didn't know when it would end, one kid in college at NCSU, one senior and one freshman.
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Wow.
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Aside from the absurd lack of empathy for people who couldn't help what happened and work in arguably the hardest job in America while keeping thousands of people from dying every day, and the gross ignorance that with current prices that his could still be a strain on them...
... and I'll try to keep this as apolitical as possible... It's amazing how some of you will attack innocent people experience hardship because you're too in love with someone else who instructed you to attack them.
What a stupid, stupid, stupid ####### post.
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FWIW, your post is WAY more
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d1ckish than the original post. If that's what you were going for?
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I certainly wasn't intending to mince words
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But I would love to hear an explanation why calling out someone for being an ### hole in mocking a family and their plight is more d!ckish than the actual person doing that.
People who mock others for their professions and their financial woes, especially ones they can't help, are disgusting to me.
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Re: I certainly wasn't intending to mince words
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I dont know that i would have worded the OP that way, but I did not read it as an attack on those people. I read it as a comment on the way media takes any issue, finds an anecdotal story, and uses that story to promote one political ideology or another. "It's for the children."
The OP could have made the point a better way, no question. What those people are experiencing is real. All the other surrounding factors are real as well. Isolating either wont win many hearts.
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Nice and thoughtful thx***
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It's more point of view/life experience than anything else...
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In my experience, even people making good money have zero fiscal responsibility. I live in a nice neighborhood in a well educated area and people are stupid. Neighbors bought a $1MM house but have almost no furniture on the main floor because they can't afford it. Our neighbor/friends had a pipe burst but can't afford to replace the copper in their almost 40 years old home.
So when someone hears about someone possibly making $200+ a year and can't float 6 weeks of living expenses, they assume they are living beyond their means. I have an employee who makes about $150k annually and can't survive a single delayed paycheck because he's in massive debt. Bought a new house, new cars, etc. Has no savings or fiscal responsibility. I'd think that's the norm today, unfortunately.
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Nov 11, 2025, 12:24 PM
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So when someone hears about someone possibly making $200+ a year and can't float 6 weeks of living expenses, they assume they are living beyond their means. I have an employee who makes about $150k annually and can't survive a single delayed paycheck because he's in massive debt. Bought a new house, new cars, etc. Has no savings or fiscal responsibility. I'd think that's the norm today, unfortunately.
We could just not make assumptions on someone's situation. We don't know what's happening in their life with expenses and other hardships they didn't create. Everyone is fighting a battle. They could have any issue regarding medical expenses, costs for kids, all sorts of setbacks. If the first thought is to mock them or scoff at that situation, that's a problem. Maybe they ARE fine. But we don't know that. What we do know is they didn't ask to be put in that situation.
I could dare say that's the Christian thing to do but what would I know.
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Get a load of the retired dude mocking families down multiple paychecks***
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GUYS I DON'T UNDERSTAND. AS I SIT HERE IN MY PAID OFF HOME
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ON LAKE HARTWWELL AT THE AGE OF 77 DRINKING COFFEE, NO ONE UNDERSTANDS GOING WITH NO PAYCHECK THE WAY I DO. I MEAN I HAVE EXPENSES TOO YOU ACT LIKE SEASON TICKETS TO THE TIGERS AND TRIPS TO EGG BUFFETS IN EUROPE JUST PAY FOR THEMSELVES.
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Im pretty sure he lives on Keowee which is even more bougey
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The only problem he has for tonight is whether he grills himself a nice steak or goes out to get one, oh and which $50 red wine to pair with it.
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LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS AND DRIVE OLD PINTOS IN 1972 AND
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SKIP THE BIG FLAT SCREENS AND SAVE 30% AND DON'T HAVE SOUNDBARS AND YOU TOO CAN LIVE THE GOOD LIFE.
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I really try sometimes...
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To understand the bankruptcy of morality and empathy of some people on this board. I can't imagine mocking someone who is struggling to take care of his family due to factors he couldn't help. And in that high-stress job as well.
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it's because they're completely ignorant
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as posted here. this guy has zero clue how working class people in our (you're like a decade within me) generation are living right now. zero ####### clue.
MF bought his house for sub $500k.
there's a dude in my neighborhood - reeks of bengalvibes - told me one time he bought his lake front lot for $55k. I said cool man, I can't buy a truck right now for $55k.
none of them have the self awareness to look in the mirror and realize how they accumulated their paper wealth at the detriment of future, sustainable economic output.
I'm sure bengal worked hard in his day, probably raised a decent family. No one's questioning that.
But bro you did it in the 70s and 80s and 90s. I spend more in ####### diapers than you spent on your car payment in that time. "The first millions hard"...#####. A measely ####### $100k put in the S&P on my birthday is worth 4.5 stacks. kindly, go #### yourself and the chinese horse you rode in on.
Get the #### outta here
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I ####### hate boomers.
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obligatory
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Preach brother.
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We are house hunting currently. It makes me want to burn the system to the ground. Oh wait, the boomers did that 16 years ago...
Years ago I had a boss who suggested that I ought to be maxing out my 401k. He meant well. I would have loved to have done that. But I had been out of school for about 5 years and he just had no clue about economic reality: Student loans, mortgage, etc. made it literally impossible.
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So you hate boomers. I feel sorry for you.
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I see how hard it is these days, I have two adult kids trying to raise their own kids and give them a good life.
I help my kids because I can. I did work my assoff for many years, made good money and invested well. Times are different right now for sure.
You can hate us all you want, cannot stop that. I will not return the hate.
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Yeah, on this board too often its
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Attack or make fun of boomers
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Boomers had it easier than any generation in history when it came to...
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Getting propped up for the American dream. It's not even close. That's fine; that's just how their parents set the stage.
But the boomer generation also brought those great opportunities for everyone else crashing down. I don't think they should be hated or attacked, but when a boomer mocks the financial issues of younger generations and doesn't understand why Gen Xers and Millennials and Gen Z struggle to keep up, don't get shocked when the response is hostile.
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Generalities, in general, don't work
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Don't tell me how easy I had it and I promise I won't tell you why you should be better off now.
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it's a topic that fires me up. Cata put it better than me - per usual - and you said it well that generalities don't really work. All things are true.
I don't agree with a lot of people's positions on things politically, but one thing I emphatically agree with is the absolute gutting of the middle class in this country. My proverbial missiles are, and will always be, pointed directly at those who propelled our demise.
You (proverbial you) come in here mocking financial situations when merely taking 10% of your take home pay made you a multi-millionaire b/c you were fortunate enough to live in the greatest economic engine in recorded history does not sit well with me. Go look at the tape. The S&P had a 9500% increase since 1984. If you put a mere $750 / month between now and then, you'd be worth north of $6.5M. That's the FLOOR for your generation. So if you're a retired boomer, and you're not worth that, you should keep your ####### mouth shut.
Don't come in here saying how hard the first million was (he's said that) when really he was in a ####### life boat riding the tide to the top. Being worth $20M at 65 yrs old today really isn't that impressive given the financial conditions you guys had. Sure, you worked hard and made the right (sometimes tough choices), but if you don't acknowledge that, you're full of ####.
We will not see that sort of asset inflation in our generation, nor my kids. That ship has sailed. You (again, your generation) sold out future generations to chase margins. You wrote of trillions upon trillions of debt. You debased the currency by which our entire system operates.
You - directly you here - are the exception to the rule. I applaud that. If more folks in your generation were like you, we would in all likelihood be in a much stronger financial condition.
There is objective, factual tape showing wealth accumulation at your generation's level. Your generation - at scale - is not leveraging tax loopholes to redistribute wealth within your families to ensure financial security for multiple generations. This is a fact. There is objective, factual tape showing the median age of home buyers linearly following the progression of time. There is objective, factual tape showing your generation is now becoming a financial burden to the working class right now. You created a system that minimized inputs (to your benefit), yet are forcing maximum outputs (to your benefit) due to the inflationary practices that put you where you are (to your benefit).
These are objective facts, my bro. I know you're smart enough to see it.
There are some boomers that have taken me under their wing and mentored me. I am forever grateful for those folks. The ones that I look up to, are humble and knowledgeable enough to concede all my previous points. They've also taught me how to redistribute within their families to entrench legacies and ensure financial security for their grandkids and subsequent generations.
Outside of the daily rat race to just make ends meet, this is the true battle for my generation. And it's an all out ####### war.
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Honest question
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At what income level does not getting paid for multiple paychecks become something you don't laugh at?
People, in general, raise their level of expenses (mortgage, cars, college, etc) as their level of income rises. Those expenses don't disappear when the paychecks are stopped.
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You still live a lifestyle in which savings are min 20%***
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That's not real life for most people early in their careers raising families.***
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Re: That's not real life for most people early in their careers raising families.***
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And why is that? It has to come down to priortizing necessities over wants
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Exactly. Needs (mortgage, healthcare, tuition) over wants (Savings for when the
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most reliable employer in history suddenly stops paying you for 7 weeks).
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I'm not saying those people could not have been more frugal. But there are
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very few people who could afford to suddenly go without any pay for 7 weeks and NOT have it be a problem or need outside help to get through.
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Where do they live?
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Ill wait for Scooter to weigh in....
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Wasn't he a air traffic controller?
scooter
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no wasn't an ATC but I have worked at many airports
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and known quite a few ATCs over time and spent some time up in a control tower observing. They are an interesting breed of dog.
Some high stress stuff, having to think in 3D space watching a 2D screen (or several screens) with hundreds of lives at risk if you make one mistake. Not many last more than 5 or 10 years before they gotta get out. I know I couldn't do that kind of work very long.
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TIL: Scooter was a baggage handler***
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and a damngood one too.
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Actually, I parked rental cars for a couple months one time when I was waiting on my new job paperwork to go through -- the airport director hired me as an engineer before all the approvals had gone through. He told me after I had already moved to the city, that my hire was solid but my first day couldn't start until the new fiscal year began on Oct 1 due to some policy. So now I had a few months to figure something out. Sucked but that was the hand I got dealt.
Instead of whining and being all woe-is-me, or going to apply for Unemployment, I went over to the Hertz counter and got a job with them. They needed the help over the summer, so that's what I did. Had fun with it, it paid my rent those months. Me and about 10 Somalians shuttling rental cars around.
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Fack! Sounds like a buncha socialists in here
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Living beyond your means, no savings.
Feeling sorry for you…..nope
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true capitalism
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is running a dog wash....
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I know right. If the wife and I didnt work for 7 weeks
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We would have to burn through some savings or sell my precious silver collection, or take out a loan on our 401ks. All of those options would suack a fat one.
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Can you take out a loan on a 401k without guaranteed income to repay it?
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I'm wondering how that would be possible.
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Maybe, but it's not a super straightforward deal.
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I mean it is, but there are caveats to doing so without penalty that would eliminate some from doing it.
Also I think you pay it back to yourself with interest and may have to stop contributing during the loan period.
Can't say all this for sure, I just think some of the above is true.
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Re: Can you take out a loan on a 401k without guaranteed income to repay it?
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Good question. The only time I ever took out a loan on my 401k was to pay off my ex wife in the divorce so I could keep the house. But I did have the job so it was a 5 year loan w interest paid back to myself.
When I got laid off during covid the payments were deferred for a year but then I had to pay them again regardless of having a job making much less. Now in hindsight this loan was incredibly advantageous for me bc when I sold the house in 2022 I made 200k cash profit, and I paid her only 20k plus all the furniture in the house.
But I did live off Aldi chicken breasts and canned beans there for a few years.
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401k plan administrator here
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It's typically a payroll deduction.
It varies depending on the rules of your 401k plan but typically based on prime + 1% to 2%.
Prime is currently 8.5% so you're paying yourself back with a minimum of 9.5% interest over 5 years. Better than taking out real debt but still not ideal. The max loan is 50k or 50% of your vested balance whichever is less.
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Real life, those people are fine
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they didn't lose their home, but it sucked to go without pay for 7 weeks.
It is likely getting back paid, right? So they had a 7 week vacation and stressed over bills. Yeah, they should have savings. They could have taken a 401K loan, a loan from relatives if absolutely needed, a bank loan, car loan? They are educated people. I'm sure they will be alright, but I also didn't read the story bc not referenced.
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Unemployment isn't near as bad if you know how long it's going to last***
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True, not knowing is an additional stressor***
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Well its the inability to plan accurately.
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If you don't have a timeframe, planning is almost impossible.
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They didn't get a vacation tho. And you are correct, they will be OK, but
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Also, for the record, many or most people don't have relatives who can spot them enough cash to make mortgage payments for a couple months. I sure don't.
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This is almost as out of touch as bengaline
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a 7 week vacation? Worrying about bills, groceries, job future, etc for 7 weeks? Or showing up to a high stress job for 7 weeks not knowing if and when you would be paid for the work?
Come on, man, that is just not a vacation at all.
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Paid time off
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if that's what it was...
IS Vacation. I loved not going to work bc laid off but yeah I stressed on paying bills and not knowing when I could work again.
It was seriously a wash except I didn't back paid. I had to forfeit all my PTO and go unpaid for an additional 2 weeks (lost 6 weeks pay) because of stupid government decisions just like this one.
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Air traffic controllers have been working this whole time. Not paid time off.***
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Why did they cancel flights?
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Yeah, if they worked without pay that sucked. But if they get back pay then they just had a huge stressor with very minimal financial impact (loss).
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They are only just this week starting to cancel 4-10% of flights.***
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And that's ending right now, right?
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Does it take a week to get back on track? Hope so.
I completely agree, it is a sucky sucky feeling to not get paid or know when you will get paid.
At least in this situation, it appears they will still get their money and it sucks to navigate monthly expenses without monthly income.
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I think they are forecasting cancellations to carry on for a bit
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as some ATCs left the industry. I saw something about revamping ATC technology over a few years that may continue the impact as well.
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Shutdown hasn't actually ended yet, and not sure how long it will take to sort
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out payroll. I am sure it's not immediate.
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I think ATCs have to continue to come in to work.
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They just don't get paid (though they will likely be paid backpay).
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They. Have. Been. Working.***
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I went the maximum without being able to draw unemployment
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whatever that was. It wasn't cool. It was in winter and I just painted and did home repairs, no boat.
Can you draw unemployment if furloughed?
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I'm not sure how that works.
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And even if they could, it takes a while to even get unemployment.
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That's what I found out, it takes a while***
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Was that by choice, like you were starting up something that had a potential
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payout at the end? Or did you just quit getting paid with no warning and no definite end?
And...was that a tough two months?
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And did you have 2 kids in college at the time while paying for
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car insurance and other expenses, or was this before kids while your wife was working?
Still in your $65k starter home or in a $500k house?
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To clarify, i worked for many years getting paid once a month
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At one point the company went thru an employee buyout and we went an extra month without pay.
Yeah, i couldnt treat myself to a six pack weekly, it was tough 😝
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My brother in Christ, are you this out of touch? Your monthly paycheck was
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setup to pay you for a complete month.
You did miss a month, which was probably a real pain in the assss, but saying you only got paid once a month and making that an equivalency to people losing multiple paychecks is totally tone def.
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You cant read, we went 2 months without pay
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But you be you as always.
We did get back pay, but it was approx 10 weeks without pay.
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when was this and where
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Seneca. 1968***
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ngl - I rage clicked this.
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I got got amigo. well played.
I was about to go postal lol
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JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA***
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So Pacolet. Lowest cost of living in the US at that time, probably***
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14% interest rates in 1984***
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Thanks Obama***
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Not so fast my friend. He went a month errrrr 10 weeks without errrrr
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on a delayed paycheck in 1984. He did not say he took out a mortgage in 1984.
He could have been on a 6.5% loan taken out in 1967 for all we know.
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Re: You cant read, we went 2 months without pay
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If you get paid on the 31st of the month, for the work you did that month, then you have budgeted based on that.
Bengaline got paid May 31 for his work in May. This goes toward his June spending, most likely. Then, company gets bought and the June paycheck didn't show up (on time, probably back paid later, but maybe not) so you didn't get paid for June's work. Then July 31 rolls around and new company pays you for July's work. You missed one paycheck. The pay frequency does not work out that you didn't get paid for two months of work. Yes, there was 2 months between paychecks, but you only missed one month of pay. It would be like you complaining of missing a months pay because there are 31 days between normal paychecks. Don't be obtuse. Or if you are truly unable to understand that, then I can't help you.
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I GO 14-15 DAYS WITHOUT PAY TWICE EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
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THINK ABOUT THAT, PAL.
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YEP, 13 UNPAID DAYS IN A ROW HERE
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THE FUCKING MAN IS JUST STICKING IT TO ME ALL THE TIME
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Exactly! And if you dont have 3-6 months Liquid savings
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You arr living beyond your means.
I was 30 during my pay drought. We owned a POS ford pinto, had a mortgage, and toyota car payment, and 2 young kids,
30 year olds now have a Tesla, a large SUV or minivan, a two story track home house, 3 large flatscreens (with sound bars 😅) and who knows what else.
In our time we lived more modestly.
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You remember it pretty well. Sounds like it was stressful, and you knew when
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it was going to end, which is nice.
Also don't see how missing 1 monthly check means you missed 2 months of pay.
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Didnt get check at end of first month
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Didnt get check at end of 2nd month
But we had to keep the business going b/c employee buyout
Got paid back halfway thru next month, so after 10 weeks
Why is this so hard?
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When you said 'we went an extra month without pay.' that sounds like 1 month.***
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Well, mainly because that is not what you said
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Nov 11, 2025, 11:36 AM
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Also, seems like someone who supposedly went through the same thing would have some empathy for people going through this. But here we are, boomers gonna boom.
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Welp, 40+ years ago that car payment was under $100/month.
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Nov 11, 2025, 11:21 AM
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Your mortgage was under $600/month. 2 young kids don't cost a whole lot.
I mean, as for your 30 yr old with a Tesla I dunno. A 2 story track home doesn't sound terribly crazy at the moment. Nor does 3 $200 TVs or a few sound bars or a minivan.
FWIW they didn't make large SUVs, minivans, nor Teslas back in 1975.
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"In your time" housing cost way less than a luxury good
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Nov 11, 2025, 11:23 AM
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that you ended your argument with. In 1985, according to internet robots, the average mortgage payment was $700, I didn't go so far as to find if that was also escrow. An average TV was like $500 for a tiny little 20 incher. One can get a helluva TV for the cost of a mortgage payment now.
Also, y'all raised these fools.
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It is socialist to think people who work deserve to be paid?
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Nov 11, 2025, 11:11 AM
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FWIW, we try to live below our means and save as much as possible. Inflation eats makes that pretty dang hard to do and makes the savings worth less.
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But like, y'all are very very sensitive
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Nov 11, 2025, 12:05 PM
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He is an older man yelling "You should have had savings!"
Which is indeed insensitive (and true). BUt he didn't say it to them. They don't know him.
And y'all are saying "That was a stupid stupid stupid ####### post" and "You are a piece of ####".
Those things are way more insensitive than saying, "Why didn't they have savings and plan for a financial pitfall"?
Chill out. It' not like he said "She looks too Jewish for me". Which I totally got what you were saying. Y'all like Zoolander, can't turn left.
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Interesting***
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It was a stupid, stupid, stupid post. I dare say it needs four stupids.
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Nov 11, 2025, 12:38 PM
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I didn't call him a POS but okay (which Bengal has done many times to me but silence...)
If a man who is retired and comfortable (judging by bengal's past posts) sees the plight of this family on the news, and his first reaction is to jump on here and mock them, it says a lot. The person is attention-starved that he had to post something that hateful and negative (there's no way he didn't predict this response), and the person lacks any sense of empathy toward others. If this is the first reaction they had, they possess a severe lack of judgment that can probably speak to intelligence.
He didn't say, "Why didn't they have savings and plan for a financial pitfall."
He said, "Air traffic controllers BOO HOO" and passed immediate judgment on the people. Probably shoulda posted it in Politics to fit the tone.
Bengal stepped on his #### with the OP, and you're the only one rushing in here to join him in a #### stomping contest. Read the room. It was a dumb post.
In 2009, my wife got laid off due to the Great Recession. We hadn't been married a year. We struggled to make it on my salary and any odd jobs we could do. Those were very hard times; we sacrificed a lot to make sure we didn't lose our home.
We didn't forget those hard times. We do well now and have made a lot of smart financial decisions since then. We regularly give to the nearby blessing box and donate to food banks and other charities to help people, especially in hard times. We aren't heroes; that's just what we feel people should do.
I can't imagine seeing someone hurting during this stupid ### shutdown and mocking them for it.
So it was a stupid post. If you think I'm more of a #### for pointing that out than the post itself, well, there's not much I can do to help you there.
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I'm not reading all that, not trying to fight you.***
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Okay...
Nov 11, 2025, 12:47 PM
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Fine. Don't read it. Lob a grenade and run away. I didn't call you out. You did it to me.
Again, read the room on this thread.
You picked the wrong side. It was a dumb OP and indefensible.
Also, do a little Google News search on the words "air traffic controllers" to find Bengal's real motive for trashing a couple of them and ask yourself if you still want to defend him.
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Seriously...it is hard to feel sorry for these people.
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It's like they're too good to go out and steal copper in the middle of the night or transport heroin for a Mexican drug cartel. All they do is whine when opportunity is right in front of them!!!
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To be fair, these two may have been ones that still went to work as
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slaves.
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You are a colossal piece of ####.***
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Why do you say that?***
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Re: You are a colossal piece of ####.***
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I hole-hardedly disagree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
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The tone in the room
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Is not what you think.
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BTW
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Congration, we done it***
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Re: Congration, we done it***
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SwimminTiger
#MEGATHREAD
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Not trying to be a Richard
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But that is boomer af
I HATE Wal-Mart and have been buying groceries from there for five years because of ####### inflation.
Stick it up your ###
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So you're not at fault for treating
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it like a clown car or having an addiction to milk?
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Milk is a controlled government conspiracy
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Just like Mackey
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But that Wal-Mart pickup is SUPER convenient. Picked up my groceries on the
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way home from son's soccer practice at 8:15.
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Bro
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Can’t hide that beachfront compound money
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lolno
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someone must be hiding it from me
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The walmart by your house is the worse walmart I've ever seen
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and I've been in a lot of them
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Someone was murdered at the walmart near my house in the last 12 months
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which my kids remind me of every time we go there for pickup
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I'm gonna guess this attitude is a direct trickel down of Trump's comments
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That's definitely the catalyst for this OP.***
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Re: That's definitely the catalyst for this OP.***
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Has nothing to do with Trump
Thats all you do these days, scream Trump when someone sayscsomething you disagree with
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Bull
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You made the post immediately after he attacked em. Let's not turn this thread political as it's already monster, but that was the driving force.
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You can believe what you want, but you're wrong
Nov 11, 2025, 1:54 PM
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Which is often these days...
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Yeah?
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Take a good look at this thread and self reflect a little bit if you want to start wondering who is wrong.
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But also, why isn't the government budgeting better for essential workers
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... If they are that essential to infrastructure why aren't there contingency funds allocated for them?
I mean if you are expecting people to do that, why not expect the same from the government?
Political show boating at the expense of people's living is ridiculous.
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Also why can't they pass a year's budget so these agencies can actually plan
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something? They haven't been able to do that for years now. ####### clown show congress, they are ALL worthless.
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ALL. OF. THEM.
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EVERY SINGLE ONE
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Ya see how i agree with you?***
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Re: Appreciate the read but
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Re: Air Traffic Controllers boo hoo
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Yeah, I'm not gonna get all the way through this one***
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