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I've always had a big interest in the air war in Europe and the Mighty 8th. Those were some of the most courageous young men in the war - with life expectency in low double-digit missions. I've heard mixed things about the series. Curious if any of you have been watching and what you think.

I'm waiting until all the episodes have aired then plan to get AppleTV for a month to watch them all. Was a big fan of Band of Brothers and The Pacific. I know this one is totally different, but I'm still interested. Would love to see something on the Navy in the Pacific. If any of you have read the book "Tin Can Sailors," that would be a great story to follow.

I'm watching it- I have been a little underwhelmed by it so far but I'll keep watching. My Dad was a radio operator/gunner on a B 17, 91st Bomb Group based in England. He never talked about it hardly at all. I have read every book I can find on it- those guys were remarkable and I and my 2 siblings are very, very lucky to be here!

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Was a big fan of Band of Brothers and The Pacific. I know this one is totally different, but I'm still interested. Would love to see something on the Navy in the Pacific. If any of you have read the book "Tin Can Sailors," that would be a great story to follow.

I spent 21 years on active duty in the Navy, and enjoy virtually all generally accurate military movies which are based on actual events. Band of Brothers, The Pacific, even Patton and The Longest Day were good movies, generally accurate, and enjoyable. I particularly liked Band of Brothers because the father of a childhood friend, Captain Howard "Slick" Drake, of Ware Shoals was involved in some of the Battle of the Bulge fighting around Bastogne. I do not know the specific time or engagement, but he was awarded a battlefield promotion during some of that fighting, from Sgt to 2nd Looie, came home to Ware Shoals, helped form an award-winning National Guard Company, and retired as a Captain. I thought that Band of Brothers captured the exploits of Easy Company quite well, but especially the campaign to free Bastogne.
As for movies of the Navy in the Pacific, I consider the made-for-TV series, Victory at Sea as the best, most accurate, and most enjoyable of the genre. While differing from the other movies, Victory at Sea was a chronological, narrated documentary of the nation at war, during WWII, with particular emphasis on the Navy in the Pacific, but with an overview of the entire war effort, including industry. The thing that sets Victory at Sea apart is that most of the series uses actual footage to capture the action, and to "tell the tale". The overall movie is captivating - even the music is terrific, scored by Richard Rogers and Robert Russell Bennett and played by the NBC Symphony Orchestra.
I went through Navy OCS at Newport RI, and when there was a 10 minute or longer break in the teaching schedule, the instructors would show one of the segments of Victory at Sea. We were thrilled to have 10 minutes of naptime in the dark, but the action was captivating enough to keep most of us awake.
The entire series is available on Blu-Ray discs, at very reasonable prices, if you price-shop on Google. I have listed the episodes below for anyone interested enough to dig that deep. R/TLM

Episode list
Ep. # Original air date Title (with link to full video) General topic(s) Synopsis
1. October 26, 1952 "Design for War" Battle of the Atlantic, 1939–1941 World War II begins with the Germans invading Poland and France. But German forces are restrained by the British thanks to the vital convoys, Canadian and American naval forces' initial involvement and the Lend-Lease program. Still, the German submarine war increases its crescendo thanks to new French bases.
2. November 2, 1952 "The Pacific Boils Over" Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941 Using Japanese footage, viewers see the planning, execution and, ultimately, the celebration of the country's attack on Pearl Harbor. There also is an explanation provided for the attack and some peaceful moments depicted among the US sailors before the attack. Though damaged, the US Navy survives to fight again. (This episode was re-broadcast on 7 December 1952—the anniversary of the attack.)
3. November 9, 1952 "Sealing the Breach" Anti-submarine warfare, 1941–1943 With war now declared by the US, naval forces join to bring convoys of supplies across the Atlantic Ocean to the Allies in England. German U-Boats come through and manage to destroy some of ships along the way. Still, the Americans are resilient.
4. November 23, 1952 "Midway Is East" Japanese victories and the Battle of Midway The Japanese are ascendant as they invade the East Indies, Singapore and the Philippines. But the Americans are victorious, first on the Coral Sea and ultimately on Midway as they manage to bomb and sink four of Japan's aircraft carriers—the same ones that were used for the attack on Pearl Harbor—making the imperial fleet retreat and giving the US an early victory in the Pacific.
5. November 30, 1952 "Mediterranean Mosaic" Gibraltar, Allied and enemy fleets, Malta World War II comes to the Mediterranean Sea as Italian, French and British naval forces struggle. British forces have the unenviable position of guarding the sea as they escort convoys from Gibraltar to Malta. Still, they have their relaxing moments, especially the daily mealtimes: Morning cocoa, breakfast, dinner, tea, and supper. Meanwhile, the German Luftwaffe attacks Malta, but the Maltese remain determined to keep fighting. Their heroism is rewarded when King George VI pays a later visit to the island, reviving their spirits.
6. December 14, 1952 "Guadalcanal" Guadalcanal After training in Australia and New Zealand, the US Marines land on Guadalcanal. The US Navy suffers defeats by the Japanese Navy around the island—in an area called Ironbottom Sound. Essential information is conveyed about how some deaths are caused not just by battle but also by malaria. The number of people dying on both sides is emphasized here as an example of endurance. Meanwhile, to the tune of Richard Rodgers' most famous march from the series, America's men and materiel are mobilized against the ultimate struggle that is World War II.
7. December 21, 1952 "Rings Around Rabaul" Struggle for the Solomon Islands The Japanese Navy is ascendant in its conquests, of which its main base is on Rabaul in the New Britain Islands. This episode refers to the US strategy of surrounding and strangling the Japanese base in the autumn of 1943 through invasions of its surrounding islands (Bougainville, Rendova). Praise is given to the "Seabees", who made the airfields operational in a brief time, and to observation planes and radar, which helped the US Navy stop Japanese reinforcements and counterattacks.
8. December 28, 1952 "Mare Nostrum" Mediterranean Theater, 1940–1942 Mussolini calls the Mediterranean mare nostrum ("our sea") and seeks to exploit it. British and Greek military forces, however, defeat the Italians, forcing the Germans to send the Afrika Korps. But it is the sea battles to control the Mediterranean that is the crux. At issue is who controls the Suez Canal in Egypt. Eventually, the Allies triumph, and proceeded to destroy the Germans in the desert.
9. January 4, 1953 "Sea and Sand" Invasion of North Africa, 1942–1943 The USSR government demands a "second front" as their country struggles against the Germans. The wish is granted as Roosevelt and Churchill in Washington agree on the first invasion of North Africa against General Rommel's forces via Operation Torch, while the Allies also neutralize many of the Axis' Mediterranean supply bases. Eventually, the Germans counterattack, but to no avail.
10. January 11, 1953 "Beneath the Southern Cross" War in the south Atlantic The South Atlantic becomes a front in the overall Battle of the Atlantic, from the pursuit of the German ship Graf Spee to the battle between HMS Devonshire and the German raider Atlantis. The Allies, meanwhile, nurture their relations with South America and gain a vital base in Ascension Island. Despite sympathy for the Nazis, South American nations rally to the Allies' cause, securing vital bases, forces and resources.
11. January 18, 1953 "The Magnetic North" War from Murmansk to Alaska This episode of Victory at Sea explores the battles between the Allies and Germans near the Arctic Circle, and the convoys battling past German-occupied Norway to Russia. Meanwhile, the Japanese invade Alaska unsuccessfully, and the US Navy again is ordered to guard this vital area amidst the harsh climate and vast vistas.
12. January 25, 1953 "The Conquest of Micronesia" Carrier warfare and the Gilberts and Marshalls The aircraft carriers of the US Navy attack in the Central Pacific Ocean at the Gilbert and Marshall Islands, destroying Japanese installations. But for all of these, there is a price to pay for victory.
13. February 1, 1953 "Melanesian Nightmare" New Guinea campaign The Allies are victorious in New Guinea as they repel the Japanese. They thus bring the fight through a series of "island-hopping" offensives using a new ship—the slow but vital LST. The price paid is great on both sides, but as Japanese casualties increase in their never-ending losing battle against the Allied onslaught, their homeland only hears news of their victory being broadcast by radio. Japan's people are shown suffering in defeat through a scene of a massive funeral, providing a balance of how universal grief truly is.
14. February 8, 1953 "Roman Renaissance" Sicily and the Italian campaign While Hitler's Germany begins its decline, Mussolini's Italy falls. Eventually, as Naples and Rome are bombed, the Italians surrender. But there is still a slow campaign (Salerno, Cassino, Anzio) until victory is achieved by the liberation of Roma, where Romans celebrate freedom waving American flags, and the Pope addressing the audience.
15. February 15, 1953 "D-Day" Normandy The Allied invasion of Normandy is detailed—from preparation to execution—via vintage footage from both sides.
16. February 22, 1953 "Killers and the Killed" Victory in the Atlantic, 1943–1945 The U-Boats are ascendant, and their triumphs proclaimed in Germany. But the Allies fight back with new bases in countries bordering the Atlantic Ocean, new anti-submarine techniques and the new escort, or "jeep", carrier. Thus, the eventual neutralization and destruction of the German U-Boat forces is guaranteed.
17. March 1, 1953 "The Turkey Shoot" Conquest of the Marianas Guam, a US territory, is invaded by Japanese a few days after Pearl Harbor and remains occupied for two and a half years. The Japanese fleet is destroyed in a classic "turkey shoot". Meanwhile, the Americans are preparing the bases in the Marianas for the ultimate bomber offensive against Japan.
18. March 8, 1953 "Two If by Sea" Peleliu and Angaur Before the Philippine Islands, the US first attacks Peleliu and Anguar.
19. March 15, 1953 "Battle for Leyte Gulf" Sea battle for Leyte Gulf The Japanese fleet is disintegrating, and the Imperial Navy conducts its last major operation in the Philippines. It ends in debacle: The risen battleships of Pearl Harbor avenge the attack in Surigao Strait, the Center Force is defeated in Sibuyan Sea, the jeep carriers and destroyers fend off a stronger Japanese force near Samar and the remaining Japanese aircraft carriers are sunk. This segment marked the near inevitability that the Japanese would accept defeat and surrender to the Allies.
20. March 22, 1953 "Return of the Allies" Liberation of the Philippines Just after the US entered World War II, the Japanese conquered and occupied the Commonwealth of the Philippines, an American protectorate. But they still hope, and in January 1945, these were answered as much of the Philippines Islands were liberated and its people cheered the Americans. Their liberation became bloody as they fought their way in Manila, but still they cheered.
21. March 29, 1953 "Full Fathom Five" US submarines, 1941–1945 This episode show how US Navy submarines contributed to the Japanese empire's defeat, sinking thousands of tons of cargo ships.
22. April 5, 1953 "The Fate of Europe" Black Sea, south of France, surrender Sevastopol was liberated and the Allies defeat Germany. The meeting of Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin for final plans for Germany's surrender and the forming of the United Nations are depicted. At the end, Hitler commits suicide, and Nazi flags are torn apart and German military uniforms and hats lie on the ground, discarded.
23. April 12, 1953 "Target Suribachi" Iwo Jima The US fought two battles here—the US Marines at Iwo Jima against the Japanese, and the US Navy against a typhoon. During the now-legendary events depicted in this episode, the series reaches the final throes of battle in the Pacific war against the Japanese. And as the scene of the recent Mount Suribachi memorial appears, viewers are once again reminded of the price that comes before true victory can be achieved.
24. April 19, 1953 "The Road to Mandalay" China, Burma, India, and Indian Ocean The Japanese invade China in 1937, but the Japanese are not satisfied and they invade Indochina and Thailand, enabling the invasion of Burma. The US and British navies nurture their relations with the Indian Navy as supplies are built for the return. Eventually, it was decided to build a road to link with the Burma Road. Eventually, they "came back to Mandalay", and the first supplies traveled the road to cheering Chinese.
25. April 26, 1953 "Suicide for Glory" Okinawa In a last effort at glory, Japan employs suicide pilots—the Kamikaze—who crash their planes into ships in order to destroy the American spirit. But the US Navy and Marines are ready for them with their guns, and they fought heroically against the onslaught. And on Okinawa, Americans fight a major battle with the Japanese Army.
26. May 3, 1953 "Design for Peace" Surrender of Japan and aftermath of war The atomic bomb is detonated, and its effects demonstrated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japan surrenders, signing the surrender documents aboard the USS Missouri. The US armed forces come home to signs saying, "Welcome Home" before they are greeted by mothers, wives, children and fellow neighbors.

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I watched episode 5 last night.

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