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Top TigerNet [29339]
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ACC reconciliation.
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Jul 28, 2024, 8:15 AM
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Here my hot take. The ACC knows it's screwed. Their impending doom has been set no matter what the courts decide. But, what if they figure out a way to restructure the revenue payout and come up with a monetary solution that makes everyone happy?
I think at this point staying in the ACC as long as the payout is the same or comparable to other conferences would be the best solution. How this happens I don't know, but if the ACC wants to survive they better figure it out.
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110%er [3759]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
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Jul 28, 2024, 8:19 AM
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Doesn't it go without saying that if the ACC could figure a way to draw SEC or B1G tv money none of this would be an issue?
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All-Conference [423]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
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Jul 28, 2024, 8:48 AM
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Agreed. Maybe the opportunity was there in the past and Swofford chose a path that was personally better suited areas of the path that was best for the ACC. I think that was an early contention.
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Commissioner [1203]
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That's just patently not true, but people love to say it because it gives
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Jul 28, 2024, 10:11 AM
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them a bogeyman to blame. It's a really tired and weak excuse, but I guess it's never going away.
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Ring of Honor [23471]
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It was because the teams sucked and the atmospheres sucked.***
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Jul 28, 2024, 10:12 AM
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All-In [10254]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Jul 29, 2024, 6:50 PM
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Simply pay Clemson and FSU a double share. It’s not that hard to figure out except for a few whose school does not value education
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
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Aug 3, 2024, 8:18 AM
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Clemson and FSU don’t deserve double share plus SMU should actually get I share
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Starter [260]
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Yes they do. Refer to the viewership ratings by school.***
Aug 3, 2024, 8:45 AM
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Starter [260]
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Re: Yes they do. Refer to the viewership ratings by school.***
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Aug 3, 2024, 8:47 AM
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Aug 13, 2024, 6:57 PM
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FSU doesnt deserve double share neither does our Clemson
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Orange Blooded [2318]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Aug 15, 2024, 3:14 PM
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You sound like a South Carolina fan, SEC SEC SEC. UGA was nothing but an after though until the courts allowed "legal" cheating, something Georgia was already doing, but now they don't have to hide it. Clemson won't be playing UGA on August 31st, it will be Clemson vs the "Athens All Star" team.
Doesn't it go without saying that if the ACC could figure a way to draw SEC or B1G tv money none of this would be an issue?
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Paw Warrior [4988]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
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Jul 28, 2024, 8:25 AM
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Clemson needs to get out of the ACC the soonest. No added value in dragging out the inevitable!
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
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Jul 29, 2024, 2:02 PM
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Actually needs new AD and new President plus board of regents need to resign.
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Game Changer [1762]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
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Jul 29, 2024, 2:27 PM
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You seem to know so much I’m sure you’re aware the former AD is now at Miami but not so sure where clucker AD is now. Guessing watch wimminez basketball
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Orange Immortal [66478]
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And, just what is a "Board of Regents?
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Aug 3, 2024, 9:33 AM
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Need to know some actual facts.
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Aug 13, 2024, 7:12 PM
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Clemson needs to man up play in ACC until that contracts expired. Last AD signed it.
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Clemson Icon [27624]
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There ain't enough money.
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Jul 28, 2024, 8:53 AM
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If there were there never would have been a suit.
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Re: There ain't enough money.
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Jul 28, 2024, 2:03 PM
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Right...but that's my point. Rather than fight these court battles with the schools...work on the bigger picture and figure out how to close that revenue gap. Then restructure the deal to make the schools happy.
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110%er [3636]
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Re: There ain't enough money.
Jul 29, 2024, 2:31 PM
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The biggest sources of athletic dept revenue are tv contacts, ticket sales, and IPTAY donations. Let me know when the ACC finds another network partner willing to pay what Fox is paying the Big10. I’m skeptical the Clemson faithful are willing or able to pay double for tickets and/or big increases in the IPTAY donations. I’d suggest the legal fees to get free of the ACC is in fact an investment in a future for Clemson athletics.
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Only way to do that is to kick the scrubs to the curb - cull the herd as it were
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Jul 29, 2024, 3:41 PM
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And instead of doing that, the geniuses at the ACC instead added MORE mere sheep to the flock.
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Associate AD [1014]
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Re: There ain't enough money.
Jul 29, 2024, 2:41 PM
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Exactly right.
Even if we “win” the court cases, which will take years as the ACC will certainly fight to the death to keep fsu and Clemson, I bet we still have to pay something significant to leave. And there could always be an appeal.
If we lose were out legal fees, have lost a lot of face, years have passed, and we’re still stuck in the ACC tied to exit fees/GOR that make a move untenable.
Some of you think the SEC is salivating to get us. I think they’d be just as happy to put a knife in our back.
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All-Pro [716]
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Re: There ain't enough money.
Jul 29, 2024, 6:46 PM
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No one in the know is counting on the SEC for anything. The most obvious path seems to be the B1G, and Clemson’s new emphasis on AAU seems to support that. This will end in a settlement, probably within the next year.
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Associate AD [1014]
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Re: There ain't enough money.
Aug 3, 2024, 9:01 AM
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If you’re the ACC why would you settle next year?
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Orange Beast [6273]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
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Jul 28, 2024, 9:16 AM
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If Clemson and FSU find a way out, you can bet the ACC will suddenly counter with an uneven revenue sharing model.
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Jul 29, 2024, 2:14 PM
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I am Tiger of 60 years. Clemson of today really sux. My Dad Clemson alumn died 2020 of Covid at 81 he would agree Clemson’s attwmpt to leave ACC after signing agreement very anti Clemson more a Rooster move.
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CU Medallion [18971]
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Our ACC brethren have let us down by not taking the money we've made for them
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Jul 29, 2024, 2:49 PM
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and investing more in their programs and facilities. Duke is actually cutting 5,000 seats out of their already small stadium for a mini-golf amusement club, and the rest went absolutely loony in adding non-regional cross-country programs against ours and other league leaders wishes, making it even harder on us. Loyalty is a two-way street and we've more than delivered on our end of that.
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Aug 3, 2024, 1:52 PM
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No they were lied too——big difference
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Orange Elite [5247]
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Jim Phillips clearly aint he leader to figure anything out ***
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Jul 28, 2024, 10:42 AM
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Re: Jim Phillips clearly aint he leader to figure anything out ***
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Jul 28, 2024, 11:00 AM
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He is no leader and has no vision. A weaker person could not have been found by the ACC college president's who were bullied by Swofford into signing a contract that the average HS grad would never have signed. It appears they never even read the contract or consulted with lawyers and if they did, the lawyers were dumb.
The ACC will never be able to generate the revenue of the SEC/BIG, so no ACC team will ever be able to keep up monetarily.
FSU says they have evidence that Swofford gave other schools more money and other concessions under the table, hidden from FSU.
WHO signs a 30 year contract and doesn't even get a copy? Only pin heads who are business challenged.
Some are saying that Phillips signed the look in ESPN extension IN 2021 without any input or votes by the conference members which make the contract void which means the ACC does not own the media rights.
We shall see. It is all speculation because until recently, no one in the conference has ever had the chance to see the contracts outside of ACC office and study it. All of the schools sucking from the FSU/CLEMSON money generating teat never cared about the contract because they were getting as much as the top two schools no matter how sorry they performed. So, why would they rock the boat.
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Re: Jim Phillips clearly aint he leader to figure anything out -give him a break
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Jul 28, 2024, 11:20 AM
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He was AD at Northwestern. Like they have athletics. So this is his first big time job. And he is still small timing it sadly
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Game Changer [1891]
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Re: Jim Phillips clearly aint he leader to figure anything out -give him a break
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Jul 28, 2024, 11:44 PM
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He was AD at Northwestern and was sued for an athletic department that allegedly allowed a culture of hazing and abuse of athletes across multiple sports. How does one have that reputation, whether accurate or not, and parlay that into the head of the ACC? Mafia? lol. Some things in life just make you scratch your head!
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Game Changer [1891]
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Re: Jim Phillips clearly aint he leader to figure anything out -give him a break
Jul 28, 2024, 11:51 PM
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https://apnews.com/article/northwestern-football-hazing-lawsuit-fitzgerald-fcb2762701e3af096ac929c0d4120a9d
Excerpt…” A second lawsuit was filed Wednesday on behalf of another former Northwestern athlete who was on the football team during the same period, identified as John Doe 2. It named Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner James J. Phillips, Northwestern’s athletic director until 2021, as a defendant. Phillips did not immediately respond to a text request for comment.”
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Game Changer [1891]
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Re: Jim Phillips clearly aint he leader to figure anything out -give him a break
Jul 29, 2024, 12:00 AM
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Certainly not saying he is guilty but this all seemingly happened under his leadership, whether he had direct knowledge or not. How in the world would you get the ACC Commissioner job coming off a scandal like this, whether he had knowledge or not? This abuse scandal reportedly was in football, baseball, and women’s volleyball and even cheerleading and others. Over 50 athletes had come forward. That’s a lot of smoke not to have any flame? Notice how he echoes the same sentiment “I will vigorously defend” in both the Northwestern and ACC lawsuits…
https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/21/acc-commissioner-jim-phillips-responds-named-northwestern-hazing-lawsuits
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There is an opportunity within the ACC to get close to this.
Jul 28, 2024, 2:50 PM
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Split into upper and lower football divisions based on program size and investment. By scheduling accordingly, the ACC would up its value simply by having more relevant and interesting programs playing one another, at our best venues, more often. It's something in the neighborhood of 40% more relevant content week in and week out by doing this than where we are today. Add in a 9th league game annually, where lower division teams play at upper division venues, and we have even more to work with. In essence we would be replacing a G5 slot with an ACC club.
Lower division programs would hold the line on their media payout - upper division would split the additional revenue this generates among themselves.
Would it bridge the full gap? No, not likely, but it could get us 80% of the way there while maintaining a geographically tighter area for all other sports and related travel. With ESPN's 'look in' window at hand, this would present the opportunity for them to invest more in a better product for the remaining 10 years ahead.
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Re: There is an opportunity within the ACC to get close to this.
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Jul 28, 2024, 3:16 PM
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The ACC was boldly looking out for NC schools from the very beginning. Nearly every conference championship or playoffs were held in NC. They clearly got preferred calls from umpires and referees. The basketball referees for Duke and North Carolina games were very obviously biased towards those 2 schools. We need to get out of the ACC and its tobacco road corruption and move on to another conference not named the SEC.
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CU Medallion [18971]
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Part of the ACC's current plight is this institutional problem:
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5-Year Average Attendance Zones (2019-2023) & Number of Programs Per Conference Under 40,000 per game.
SEC - 1 (Vandy)
B1G - 3 (Ill, MD, NW)
BXII - 2 (Cincy, KS)
ACC - 7 (Cal, Stanford, Syracuse, BC, Wake, Duke, SMU)
We have more painful dead weight now than the other 3 conferences combined. This is the anchor drowning our top programs that no other conference has to contend with. While the Big XII is better off there, it has no alpha programs to tout (Iowa State is their attendance leader). The ACC has a few at least, but the bottom half kneecaps them.
https://www.d1ticker.com/2023-fbs-attendance-trends/
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: Part of the ACC's current plight is this institutional problem:
Aug 13, 2024, 7:10 PM
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Correct your number 3 of ACC’s 7 under 40,000 haven’t played in ACC yet. I live in DFW as new ACC team SMU when Clemson FSU and ND comes to town those aways teams can help fill Cotton Bowl. Stanford and CAL new teams those teams could do the same in CA. 3 teams with huge Alumni bases. Finally move ACC championship game out of Charlotte to Cotton Bowl easy filling stadium. Just not Cowboy Stadium JJ rob ACC.
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CU Medallion [18971]
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Is SMU hosting FSU in the Cotton Bowl or their home stadium?
Aug 13, 2024, 7:40 PM
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FSU needs to bring their A+ game regardless because whichever venue it is, it's going to be rocking.
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Orange Elite [5134]
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NO...we aren't staying in the ACC......
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Jul 29, 2024, 2:16 PM
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NO way to make payment where we can stay. And why would we stay when they have literally screwed us for years to the benefit of bloodsucking schools who leech off of us. Nope.
There is a reason why we are suing them.
Also, P2 will soon control everything. We want to be in P2, not this ghetto conference.
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
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Jul 29, 2024, 4:15 PM
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"I think at this point staying in the ACC as long as the payout is the same or comparable to other conferences would be the best solution. How this happens I don't know, but if the ACC wants to survive they better figure it out."
Well, now, that's the whole issue isn't it? Yet those paid to "figure it out" for years have been unable to. So here we are.
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Tiger Cub [14]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Aug 3, 2024, 9:17 AM
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It is more than about money...
It is the fact that ESPN is devoting the prime time slots to the SEC...they admit to focusing on their prime investment.
Unlike last year, every single ABC game that has been announced (through week five,so far) for ABC features a SEC team.
Here is a breakdown of ABC games shown in 2023:
ACC vs ACC exclusive games- 15
Out of those, 12 of those 15 ACC vs ACC games on ABC involved Florida State, Clemson, or Notre Dame.
With the addition of Texas and Oklahoma, Sankey pushed for more prime slots and ESPN will want to maximize SEC viewing.
The ACC is cooked as a first rate conference,,,relegated to lesser channels ACCN and ACCNX games
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Tiger Cub [14]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Aug 3, 2024, 9:49 AM
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On top of the SEC dominating ESPN TV...
ESPN will go about their business of manipulating the polls...playing down teams, playing up SEC teams.
I think that you might have to be the ACC Champ to nail a CFP slot...
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Game Changer [1887]
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Aug 13, 2024, 7:17 PM
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Funny how everyone thinks the ACC is screwed. We signed it. We may not pay tbat full amount, but we are paying a hearty price to leave. Just watch. So far, no other conference is begging us anyway. Even if we were getting 100 million a year, Dabo isn't using the portal, so what do we do with the money anyway? Hire another Bama buddy and give out 5 scholarships per year to 2-star players from Daniel High School!!
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Re: ACC reconciliation.
Aug 14, 2024, 9:06 AM
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