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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Who agrees with Dabo?
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:09 PM
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“And not have a bunch of miserable people out there if we don’t go 15-0. It’s a miserable life if that’s what you’re waiting in every single year to determine your happiness.”
Personally, I love Clemson deeply and it runs through my family, as well as tons of others. What is the word to describe what Dabo quoted?
Of course happiness in someone’s life will not be determined by your college football team’s success, but I think everyone knows that and is just hopeful for national championships while Dabo is around and in the future with what our standard is.
By saying these things, it makes it feel like “Best is the standard” isn’t so real. I mean, it would give some more confidence in displaying that he is confident we will be back at the top, confident to prove the world wrong, etc.
He obviously believes that, so why not just be aware that fans want the best, and try to raise back up to the bar that you yourself set and know it’s still there. It’s not encouraging to say that, not just for fans but as a message to recruits and the country that will be taken the wrong way.
I don’t know what Dabo truly thinks, I’m just trying to judge whether or not what he said is positive.
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Orange Immortal [67334]
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A segment of the Clemson fan base has become spoiled***
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:11 PM
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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Re: A segment of the Clemson fan base has become spoiled***
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:15 PM
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Whatever, call it what you want.
What’s wrong with the motive to win the National Championship every year? No one thinks that’s possible obviously, but perfection is what is strived for. And that’s accurate.
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Orange Immortal [67334]
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Ultimately, I think we all want the same things...
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:40 PM
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No one realistically expects to go undefeated and play for a national championship every year, but people are going to get upset and vent, me included, if we're struggling with and/or losing to inferior teams, and we saw a lot of that the last two years.
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CU Guru [1500]
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The saying, "best is the standard" doesn't mean 15-0 every year.
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:58 PM
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It's not equivalent to perfection. It means giving your best and striving to be the best as the target. It doesn't mean 14-1 isn't the best. It doesn't even mean 11-3 isn't the best. It may very be the best we could be. It doesn't mean, "perfection is the standard".
Nothing wrong with hoping for 15-0 national championships every year. The problem in when you have a segment of fans who are literally "miserable" and want to fire half the staff every season we don't go 15-0.
Nobody other than Clemson went to 6 playoffs in a row. It definitely "spoiled" some folks.
Heck, we have fans who were miserable and wanted to fire people after finishing as the runner up to LSU, perhaps the best team in history. That's the kind of people Dabo is referring to. Sometimes we're going to go 10-3.. that's just reality.
Clemson is the 2nd best program of the CFP era. Does that mean we haven't reached, "best is the standard"? No, we have been our best.
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Rival Killer [2838]
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Re: A segment of the Clemson fan base has become spoiled***
Feb 9, 2023, 1:18 PM
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Best is the standard doesn’t mean winning championships. Best is the standard means every one is giving all they got. You can give it your best and still lose. The part of the fan base he is talking is the ones like yourself that is holding onto that slogan thinking we should win every game because best is the standard.
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110%er [4082]
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Agreed***
Feb 9, 2023, 1:20 PM
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Re: A segment of the Clemson fan base has become spoiled***
Feb 9, 2023, 11:03 PM
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Wanting a NC vs expecting a NC is the difference I think. Possibility vs probability? I always would love for Clemson to win it all but I know it’s not going to happen for a myriad of reasons. They don’t play up to potential. They are just beaten by a better team. I’ll be right there cheering regardless. What it takes to win a NC makes it so special.
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110%er [9905]
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Re: They weren't in school when Tommy Bowden was our coach...
Feb 9, 2023, 10:54 PM
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Forget CTB….fandom during the West years.
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Re: A segment of the Clemson fan base has become spoiled***
Feb 10, 2023, 6:05 AM
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He did not say that best in the nation is standard but was talking about best effort! I certainly agree that winning all the time is too difficult to be standard! I saw many big money donors that day who did not look very happy because of being told something that was true enough but witnessed events that appeared to contradict the `standatd`! Whatever happened with DJ should not happen again at CCC,while being a good kid his QB play was the contradiction because his best was not up to the Clemson standard and he made us doubt everything from the WR`s to the OL to the TE`s to the coaches and that doubt touches everyone! Dabo has also made us a smarter fan base!
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Straw man argument by Dabo***
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:12 PM
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Athletic Dir [1166]
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Re: Straw man argument by Dabo***
Feb 9, 2023, 2:44 PM
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—Bingo, the strawman is always extreme & hyperbolic, a fallacy—
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Top TigerNet [28269]
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Dabo got in trouble when he said DJU wasn't the problem
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:14 PM
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when everyone could see with their own eyes that he was.
Its akin to a politician saying "Inflation is not that bad" as you're looking at your grocery receipt.
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Re: Dabo got in trouble when he said DJU wasn't the problem
Feb 9, 2023, 1:13 PM
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The inconsistent play of DJ was part of our problem, but he was far from being THE problem. People kept acting as if all we had to do was replace DJ and we'd be unstoppable. I remember a post from someone on here after the ACC Championship game saying if we had gotten into the CFP that we'd blow Georgia out with CK starting. I certainly agree that we looked better with CK playing, but people tend to overreact is my overall point.
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Dynasty Maker [3240]
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He’s the best one who said “Best Is The Standard.”***
Feb 9, 2023, 12:21 PM
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CU Guru [1500]
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Correct, and it never meant perfection is the standard.
Feb 9, 2023, 12:59 PM
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And standard means target.
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Orange Elite [5186]
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I didnt see the quote but I think most of us just want
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:24 PM
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to see competence in our football program. Losing competently to other elite teams is ok with me.
What is NOT ok is what we saw the last two years. QB1 that can only throw to the sideline. Poor OL blocking. Very predictable playbook (also due to QB1 IMO). Defense that underperforms in general, gets embarrassed badly at ND, nearly loses at home to SYR, and gives up explosive plays to WF and Usuck.
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CU Guru [1500]
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DJ was the beat QB option for most of the last 2 seasons.
Feb 9, 2023, 1:03 PM
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That's the reason for our "slide".
Did you know we're 4th winningest P5 program during the last 3 years.. "our slide"? Even the last two seasons, top 5 in P5. Terrible, huh?
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Athletic Dir [1166]
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Re: DJ was the beat QB option for most of the last 2 seasons.
Feb 10, 2023, 5:31 AM
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get back in that d@mn sand box and bury your head in it, just like you've been doing for the last 3 years
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All-TigerNet [5904]
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He was trying to give some perspective
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:26 PM
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....to the fans who may have lost it. Since we can't read his mind it leads to speculation about what he really meant. I take what he said at face value.
The transfer portal and NIL have changed the rules of the game, and Dabo is aware that he no longer has 💯% control over whether Clemson is in the National Championship hunt.
It's like acknowledging that your car isn't going to be the fastest on the track, but you're still going to be competitive because your driver is more skilled.
In my opinion if the NIL and transfer portal aren't eventually reigned in they will eventually run Dabo out of the sport. I think he's expecting some major revisions will eventually happen. Until then, slogans like "The Best Is Yet To Come" are on hold.
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CU Guru [1500]
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No, neither the portal nor the NIL have changed who wins national championships.
Feb 9, 2023, 1:06 PM
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Those things separately or combined are not building elite programs. It hasn't changed the landscape to where any elite juggernauts are being built.
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Re: No, neither the portal nor the NIL have changed who wins national championships.
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Feb 9, 2023, 1:32 PM
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So you don't think kids and their parents are being swayed at all by a paycheck? And that each school is offering the same amount of money to each player, and that each school has the same amount of money to spend?
It's ludicrous for anyone to talk about the direction that Clemson has gone these past two years without the mention of NIL and the portal, and specifically the disadvantage Clemson has in "the best team money can buy era", given its smaller alumni base, student enrollment, geographic marketability and media limitations.
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CU Guru [1500]
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Neither the portal nor the NIL have had any impact on our last 2 seasons. .***
Feb 9, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Re: Neither the portal nor the NIL have had any impact on our last 2 seasons. .***
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Feb 9, 2023, 1:59 PM
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The NIL and portal have had obvious impact. USC is now back in the national mix due to Williams transferring there. TCU went to a national championship because of transfer help. NIL has led to teams paying and getting better players more than Clemson gets.
That said, I agree neither NIL nor the portal will significantly impact the entirety of CFB. The impact of those 2 will flatten as time goes on and it won’t matter as much.
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Re: Who agrees with Dabo?
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:29 PM
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As usual, Dabo told the truth.
If your life is controlled by the outcome of football game, you are the one with the problem.
I think that we all look to Clemson sports to add joy to our life. I’m sure that I do but there are many things more important than Clemson beating the TarHeels on Saturday. It is very gratifying to me to know the Tiger athletes are well
Prepared for their challenges.
Clemson is a special place with a special opportunity to help the young students become successful. They do a great job.
If you know this to be true then Support the Tigers in every way.
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Orange Blooded [2239]
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Re: Who agrees with Dabo?
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Feb 9, 2023, 12:44 PM
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Here’s a solution to the problem of the fans bitching. Dabo could take a pay cut. With big money comes big expectations.
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CU Guru [1500]
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Dabo is the 3rd highest paid coach in America
Feb 9, 2023, 1:09 PM
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and he's built the #2 program of the CFP era.
We had a two year "slide" where we're still the 5th winningest P5 program in the country.
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Re: Who agrees with Dabo?
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Dabo earns his pay as few before him have done...NIL and the transfer portal have leveled the playing field by allowing cheaters and those who would not fulfill a commitment to prosper...`I'm not really here for an education and not good enough to start here so show me the money and I'll leave` has become the NCAA motto...those who would break any rules for a $ can now do so with a blessing and a real football program that trains student athletes will just have to work a little smarter...We were sold a bill of goods by the national ratings services... Oregon State will learn...DJ was never going to make it!
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Re: Who agrees with Dabo?
Feb 9, 2023, 12:54 PM
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Best is standard does not mean we are the absolute best compared to everyone else. It means we are the best version of ourselves and that we give our absolute best effort.
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Re: Who agrees with Dabo?
Feb 9, 2023, 12:56 PM
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I think Dabo and Wooden have a lot in common....
“Perfection is what you are striving for, but perfection is an impossibility. However, striving for perfection is not an impossibility. Do the best you can under the conditions that exist. That is what counts.”
― John Wooden
We are not privy to all the "conditions" within the football program and thus draw conclusions from incomplete information. I will confess that watching Clemson football - with my admittedly high expectations - the last two years was difficult. But I certainly watched, cheered, and was happy with the end results most days (at least 11 of them this past year).
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He's deflecting attention away from the REAL subject......
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Feb 9, 2023, 1:08 PM
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there is not a Clemson fan on this planet that is a "miserable person" solely because we don't go 15-0/win a national title. Dabo comparing "REAL LIFE HAPPINESS" to "Happy w/ a hobby" (in this case following Clemson football) is ridiculous.
He's just deflecting attention away from losing 6 games in the last 2 years and an inexcusable 0-3 vs OOC P5 opponents this year.
It's not about winning the national championship every year. It's about doing what we're SUPPOSED to do..............and vs the pathetic ACC, vs a 5 loss South carolina team, vs a 4-loss ND team we fell WELL short of doing what we are SUPPOSED to do.
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Re: He's deflecting attention away from the REAL subject......
Feb 9, 2023, 1:22 PM
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I could be wrong, but I feel as if Dabo feels disrespected by some of our fans. He took over a program that hadn't won a NC for nearly 30 years, hadn't won the ACC for nearly 20 years, and hadn't even won 10 games in a single season for nearly 20 years.
He's turned that around into playing in 4 NC games, winning 2 NC's, making the CFP 6 times, winning the ACC 8 times, and winning 10 or more games in a season for 12 straight seasons. I get the feeling that he feels as if he's earned the benefit of the doubt and that he shouldn't have to be questioned for a 10-3 season that sees us win the ACC. I don't think he feels that he should never be questioned again no matter what, just that he is taken back by how quickly some of the fans are pointing fingers at him.
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for the most part......
Feb 9, 2023, 1:42 PM
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Dabo's done the "right thing" and/or makes the "right decision" 95% of the time when running his program.
POST 2021 season he did NOT make the right decision when he unjustifiably promoted Streeter after TE left.............not when you had incredible OUTSIDE offensive minds within reach...........Longo, Riley, and Briles.
He still needs to make some tweaks within the program.........time will tell if he makes them, but firing Streeter and hiring Riley (albeit a year late) was a MASSIVE STEP in the right direction.
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Re: for the most part......
Feb 12, 2023, 10:29 AM
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Although I agree Riley was a good hire, I disagree that the woes suffered these past 2 years are the fault of Brandon Streeter. Streeter was not fired due to failure at his position. Streeter was let go for Dabo to Hire Riley and try a different approach. I have no doubt if Coach Streeter was leading the offense this season that we would have seen even more improvement. We will never know now how much or to what impact, but we can hope that the new coordinator has success with this offense and that it has an impact on the season. Like most I believe he will, but that doesn't mean that I believe this offense would have been a failure with Coach Streeter either and neither did Dabo. People comparing this change to the Steele/Venables situation definitely are not paying attention to details and results!
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no, not me he's referring to....
Feb 9, 2023, 1:47 PM
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I was a year ahead of Dabo in knowing the OC answer...........better late than never.
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Re: Who agrees with Dabo? ALL IN - GO TIGERS
Feb 9, 2023, 1:27 PM
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Problem with a lot of the people in here is that they haven't ever suffered through the years with teams and coaches that NEVER even won their division, the league or suffered through a losing season.
We won the ACC this year and every other team is envious.
Dabo is by far one of the BEST coaches ever and his record speaks for itself
I have been a fan for over 50 years. I never thought we would ever get another NC but now we have 3.
ALL IN
GO DABO
GO TIGERS
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Re: Who agrees with Dabo?
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Feb 9, 2023, 1:51 PM
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Dabo created the expectation that best is his standard. His undefendable defense of DJ over the last 2 years was not up to his "best is the standard."
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Re: Who agrees with Dabo?
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Feb 9, 2023, 10:34 PM
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I don't care that we lost games last year. I care that we lost them because Dabo insisted on starting and playing the worst QB I have ever seen in a Clemson uniform.
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Dont particularly care what Dabo says.
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Feb 9, 2023, 10:45 PM
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Talk's cheap. Just win, baby.
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Dynasty Maker [3596]
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We are a spoiled fan base. I do expect us to represent
Feb 12, 2023, 10:44 AM
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better in big games out of conference as those two blowouts were tough but other than that I was very happy with last season.
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