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Game Day Hero [4107]
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#### it, I see the value in picking up in-state 3 stars, but can they focus more on highly rated prospects? It sounds shallow, but it’s obvious that our recruiting has declined since 2018. And I wish Clemson would start getting commits like they used to, and while a lot of these young men are great for the program, there’s got to be some more success landing more top recruits.
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The NIL decay of Clemson recruiting has begun in earnest***
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Feb 22, 2023, 3:35 PM
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Clemson Icon [27710]
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I smell chicken.....***
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Feb 22, 2023, 3:41 PM
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Re: I smell chicken.....***
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Feb 22, 2023, 5:22 PM
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I enjoy this site but The one thing that is really starting to annoy me is the handful of idiots that call fellow Clemson fans “chickens and coots” If they share an opinion they do not agree with. That smells like immature little brats to me. Their original poster has a valid point whether you believe it or not. It is certainly a valid discussion. Grow up!
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Re: I smell chicken.....***
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Feb 22, 2023, 5:34 PM
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You're right posters should watch who they call a coot, coot. I smell feathers
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Clemson Sports Icon [54252]
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Re: 3 stars
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Feb 22, 2023, 3:43 PM
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Reality is we over achieve in this age of NIL.
$$ talks with a loud voice.
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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 5:14 PM
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I would not say “overachieve”.
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All-In [11061]
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I don't get the feeling that many on here view......
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Feb 22, 2023, 3:51 PM
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our lack of "elite level" WR talent as a problem.
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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Re: I don't get the feeling that many on here view......
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Feb 22, 2023, 5:17 PM
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This is a point that comes from what I initially meant. Those who would like to deny our decline in overall talent also like to believe Clemson will be just fine. They may be now with Riley and his help recruiting, but if Dabo hadn’t moved on, our recruiting would lead us to true mediocre ACC level over time.
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TigerNet Legend [145135]
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Nice research…
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Feb 22, 2023, 3:54 PM
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2022: 10
2021: 5
2020: 3
2019: 10
2018: 7
2017: 16
2016: 11
2015: 9
2014: 16
2013: 15
2012: 20
- 247 Composite
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Ring of Honor [23631]
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Your facts have no place in his Agenda
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Feb 22, 2023, 4:06 PM
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LOL
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Head Coach [938]
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Re: Nice research…
Feb 22, 2023, 4:29 PM
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What are the rankings per recruit?
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TigerNet Legend [145135]
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Let me help you with that...
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Feb 22, 2023, 4:47 PM
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Head Coach [938]
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Re: Let me help you with that...
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Feb 22, 2023, 5:06 PM
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That was a thing called a "rhetorical question." Further down the page I already provided them. The point was that our per recruit ranking has without question fallen off the past 3 years. The reason the overall recruiting rank hasn't fallen as much is because we're losing more players to the portal and so we recruit more players, which helps teams' recruiting rankings.
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TigerNet Legend [145135]
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About that…
Feb 22, 2023, 7:25 PM
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I’m not sure why you changed the decline from taking place over the previous 5 years, per the OP, to 3 years? I’m also not sure why we can’t use an industry standard composite recruiting ranking, but fine by me, here you go… Based on average recruit rating, I’m not sure we have fallen off in the past three years considering 2 of our top 5 ever classes, based on average recruit rating, have been recorded in the past three years.
2021: 94.01
2018: 93.45
2020: 93.44
2017: 92.10
2023: 91.14 (incomplete at time of rating)
2016: 90.30
2022: 89.83
2019: 89.76
2015: 89.12
2014: 88.69
https://rubbingtherock.com/2022/06/27/clemson-football-recruiting-class-of-2023-how-does-it-compare-to-the-past/amp/5/
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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Well, it was a fine effort....
Feb 22, 2023, 7:50 PM
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and you tried to spin the vaunted ☆Rating Per Player metric (the metric that trumps that recruiting ranking bs). You tried and failed. The 2 year decline is significant and noticeable despite your attempts at subterfuge(jumbled the years & qualified your reason for doing so w/ further misdirection; declared '23 incomplete)
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I provided two unbiased metrics, you provided zero…
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Feb 22, 2023, 7:56 PM
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And since you are struggling, they are in order, highest ranking to lowest. 2023 was incomplete because the article, which you apparently failed to read, was written prior to signing day. And why are y’all changing the conversation from 5 years to 3 years to 2 years? Now…
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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Your point exactly was that our recruiting has declined…
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Feb 22, 2023, 8:38 PM
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the past 2 years, even though you used 2018 as the start date of the decline, not 2021, despite recruiting class ranking and average player ranking not supporting you?
Cool.
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Clemson Conqueror [11596]
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Re: Nice research…
Feb 22, 2023, 6:24 PM
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Usually better than most of the teams ahead of us because we usually don't have as many recruits. The number of recruits also figures in on the recruiting rankings. That's why I don't worry about it.
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This suggests that our coaching, player development, and game planning
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have been subpar the last few years.
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Re: This suggests that our coaching, player development, and game planning
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Feb 22, 2023, 6:27 PM
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Stick to basketball. that program is worse off.
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Orange Beast [6508]
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Re: Best Is The Standard ---
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Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM
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Its just now .....and loud and clear I might add....that best or elite has an obviou$ and agre$$ive agenda.
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Re: 3 stars
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Feb 22, 2023, 4:02 PM
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Feb 22, 2023, 3:32 PM
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#### it, I see the value in picking up in-state 3 stars, but can they focus more on highly rated prospects? It sounds shallow, but it’s obvious that our recruiting has declined since 2018. And I wish Clemson would start getting commits like they used to, and while a lot of these young men are great for the program, there’s got to be some more success landing more top recruits.
LMAO, OBVIOUS TO WHO.
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Head Coach [938]
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 4:37 PM
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The sky's not falling, but here are our per recruit recruiting rankings for the last decade.
2014: #16
2015: #9
2016: #7
2017: #4
2018: #3
2019: #15
2020: #3
2021: #3
2022: #16
2023: #11
2024: #21
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 5:09 PM
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The sky's not falling, but here are our per recruit recruiting rankings for the last decade.
2014: #16
2015: #9
2016: #7
2017: #4
2018: #3
2019: #15
2020: #3
2021: #3
2022: #16
2023: #11
2024: #21
TigerPride97, nice breakout! However, have a question & comment.
First, the question. What's your source? Is it the 247 Composite, or some other source?
Now, the comment. You list the 2024 Class, which is fine--except it's very early in recruiting. We've only signed around 5 or 6 thus far. Next time (if you're submitting it early in the recruiting year), you might want to add a note pointing that out.
Thanks again! Definitely, adds some clarity to our recruiting over the last 10 years, which either supports the position of a particular Poster, or NOT!
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This has an easy solution
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Feb 22, 2023, 4:31 PM
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ROY you write the checks and they will come
Situation sorted
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 4:31 PM
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Number of stars don't matter as much as whether our skill guys have the speed to compete. You can't coach speed and that is what we have been missing. I am not sure what recruiting site you are looking at but we were 8th in 2018 and 9th this year on Rivals. Not much difference there.
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Head Coach [938]
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 4:40 PM
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In 2018, we had 17 recruits. This year, we had 26. That's a huge difference in ranking. The most important thing is the rating per recruit. We used to lose no one to the portal or to decommitments, and so our classes were small but very high quality. In 2018, our average recruit was a 4.06 star. This year, it was a 3.65. That's the difference between top 3 in the nation and outside the top 15.
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 8:23 PM
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Cool we get it, Clemson sucks and the sky is falling nobody’s coming to save the day 🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 5:42 PM
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But the difference is it seems like Clemson is ‘going after’ less and less top recruits every year. Maybe we aren’t, what do I know? But what’s apparent is the combination of player development issues by coaches and the proportion of top recruits in each class.
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 4:52 PM
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Actually, that's not entirely true.
Since 2018, we've signed (11) 5 star players, and (65) 4 star players. In the 5 years before that (14-18), we signed (11) 5 star players and (45) 4 star players. Said differently, we've sign the same number of 5 stars, and 20 more 4 stars when comparing the two time frames.
Also, the percentage of the sum of 4 stars & 5 stars, vs the entire class signed, has stayed the same at 65% ('14-'18) to 65% ('19-'23). See below.
I would say there is a small drop over the last 4 years in number of 5 stars. But generally we've always had about the same amount on the team over any given time.
Year - (qty)5*, (qty)4* 4 & 5 sum/total signed (Percent of class signed that's 4 or 5 Star)
2023 - (1) 5*, (18) 4* = 19/26 (73%)
2022 - (2) 5*, (8) 4* = 10/21 (48%)
2021 - (3) 5*, (15) 4* = 18/19 (95%)
2020 - (5) 5*, (12) 4* = 17/23 (74%)
2019 - (1) 5*, (12) 4* = 13/29 (45%)
2018 - (5) 5*, (7) 4* = 12/17 (71%)
2017 - (2) 5*, (8) 4* = 10/14 (71%)
2016 - (1) 5*, (11) 4* = 12/21 (57%)
2015 - (3) 5*, (9) 4* = 12/26 (46%)
2014 - (0) 5*, (10) 4* = 18/20 (90%)
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110%er [6166]
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Our recruiting ranking hasn’t declined, it’s more a case of
Feb 22, 2023, 5:01 PM
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… how those highly ranked players have performed.
We’ve certainly brought in some highly regarded skill players since 2018.
But for whatever reason a lot of them have failed to perform.
One 5-star QB and several of 4/5-star WRs as well as a 5-star RB all failed to make a national title worthy competitive impact.
This is not to say that we shouldn’t continue to go after the big fish, but we’ve seen that it’s not a fool proof plan.
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Re: 3 stars
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Feb 22, 2023, 5:17 PM
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Yes and idk why Tennessee and Alabama are trying so hard for a 3 star receiver hmmmm
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All-TigerNet [5642]
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^^^Truth^^^
Feb 22, 2023, 5:33 PM
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Right there.
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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 8:29 PM
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Why would they not when they know they can get him. Jalen Hyatt did not even really consider Clemson and went to TN, he played in Irmo,SC.
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 11:19 PM
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Forgive me but it seems this seems to contradict your original post of pursuing in state 3 stars. Clemson grabbed Williams late. Forget the stars, either trust in talent evaluation or not. As others have said, stars in a lot of these young guys eyes come $ signs. Whereas a Hyatt is looking at the big picture and big money….the NFL.
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You're right - the more 3-star players we have to settle....
Feb 22, 2023, 6:13 PM
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on the worse our recruiting has become. We used to get several 5-star players a year but they've gone down and 3-stars have increased. Going to be hard to win the NC again this way.
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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It is a little jarring...
Feb 22, 2023, 7:06 PM
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to witness on the 22nd of February our WR recruiting board in this condition & at 1st glance having to battle for an instate 3☆ prospect. Any worries about Staley's 3☆ status should be negated by his unfortunate declaration that Tennessee is currently out recruiting us & the Bama offer–
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Tiger Spirit [9854]
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 8:50 PM
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Ole Roybus paid to be a coot troll. Ya gotta respect the effort!
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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 9:53 PM
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What’s the troll?
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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that rationalization is akin to "burying your head in the sand"...
Feb 23, 2023, 8:43 AM
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and publically crying out "I'm in a state of denial"—
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 22, 2023, 11:58 PM
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remember
Renfro was a zero star
Nolan Turner was a zero star
maybe the coaches see talent and potential ....
A speedster who can't catch or run a route is useless...
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Re: 3 stars
Feb 23, 2023, 8:53 AM
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