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Oculus Spirit [43060]
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Great post.
Jul 28, 2018, 12:19 PM
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Those of us who have kept up with recruiting the last 10 years know this staff’s track record. I’m not concerned in the least. We’ve had higher rated recruits go elsewhere and people on this board flipped out at the time but the guys we wound up with won a lot more games than those who turned us down. I can’t believe some of these people on here. They act like they’ve only been following Clemson football since we won a national championship. I trust the staff until proven otherwise.
Also if you’re a recruit reading this board trust me if Dabo offered you it’s because he believes in you and he knows you can play. Don’t pay any attention to your star rating or so called “fans” who want to knock it. A lot of the people putting down our recruiting are trolls anyway.
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 12:24 PM
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I don’t mean to be “THAT” guy...
Leggett was a 4 star on ESPN
Joseph was a 4 star on ESPN
Etienne was a 4 star on ESPN and 247
Cordrea was a 4 star on 247
Gallman was a 4 star on ESPN and 247
Beasley was a 4 star on ESPN
Reader was a 4 star on 247
But, I still get your point.
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 12:41 PM
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Clemson Recruits that were Espn 3 stars or less in Nfl camps this year .
Isiah battle
Tavaris Barnes
Andre Branch
Jaron Brown
Ryan Carter
Chandler Cantanzaro
Marcus Edmund
Bj Goodson
Taylor Hearn
Adam Humphries
Grady Jarret
Bradley Pinon
Cordea Tankersley
Deshaun Williams
Brandon Thomas
Tyler Shatley
Dj Reader
Coty Sensabaugh
Breeland and Dodd unsigned at the Moment .
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 3:14 PM
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Clearly my post went over your head. Just because Rivals lists someone as a 3 star, doesn’t mean other services do as well. We all know how biased recruiting services can be. My point was that some of the players he listed aren’t the best examples because not every service had them as a 3 star. And please note that I am not saying Clemson is not great at developing talent either.
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Asst Coach [834]
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 5:28 PM
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Over my head ? Well bless your little heart .
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 5:32 PM
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You literally did the same exact thing that OP did. You took a bunch of former players and used one recruiting site to prove your point. We all know how biased recruiting sites are, so it makes the most sense to use all of them. Is that too hard to comprehend?
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 6:06 PM
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They are generally close . Some might be a 3 star on one and not the other . So if you take the list at the top and add it to my list you can safely say nobody on either list was a consensus 4 star . So the list just got bigger funnyface .
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 7:25 PM
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It doesn’t matter if they are a consensus 4 star. You can’t determine whether one service had them ranked lower for biased reasons or not, which is why I think it is best to include all services. I still understand the point of the post. Clemson is great at developing talent, and I’m not arguing that. I believe that they develop talent with the best of them.
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 7:25 PM
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It doesn’t matter if they are a consensus 4 star. You can’t determine whether one service had them ranked lower for biased reasons or not, which is why I think it is best to include all services. I still understand the point of the post. Clemson is great at developing talent, and I’m not arguing that. I believe that they develop talent with the best of them.
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Commissioner [1211]
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u resort to ridicule & name calling as a defense mechanism..
Jul 29, 2018, 5:17 PM
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when your biased viewpoint/false narrative is exposed for what it is. Red flag for a weak argument. Rest assured u r not alone, many here employ this weak tactic.
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Oculus Spirit [43060]
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Pipe down coot
Jul 30, 2018, 7:05 AM
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CU Guru [1350]
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You're getting your ### kicked on November 24th***
Jul 29, 2018, 9:23 AM
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Oculus Spirit [43060]
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Mad because we develop our lower rated players better than everyone else?
Jul 28, 2018, 12:48 PM
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Jealous because your team can’t do it?
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: Mad because we develop our lower rated players better than everyone else?
Jul 28, 2018, 3:17 PM
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I start classes at Clemson in a month and have been a fan my entire life. They quite literally are my team. But good effort in trying to sniff out a coot, buddy! Go Tigers!
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: Your post history strongly suggests otherwise. Plenty more where this came from.
Jul 28, 2018, 5:23 PM
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I said “Clemson doesn’t play a single team that won 10 games last year.” That’s a fact.
I said “South Carolina plays two elite teams and a few mediocre teams. Clemson plays a bunch of mediocre teams.” That’s a fact.
The entire point of my comments was to explain that there are multiple reasons to criticize South Carolina, but their schedule is not one of those reasons. And I don’t believe that is a valid reason because Clemson doesn’t have a strong schedule either.
But please, continue to find more posts that you take out of context. I’m bored at work.
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Oculus Spirit [43060]
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Your analysis is a joke.
Jul 28, 2018, 6:28 PM
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SOS for Clemson was definitely stronger than SC last year. This year? Who can honestly say? What a lame argument to defend SC’s weak schedule by saying that SC plays two elite teams when Clemson is one of those teams. Top to bottom SC’s schedule has not been as strong as Clemson’s for a couple of years now. Traditionally, yes. The last couple of seasons? No not even close and only an SEC homer would dare to make that argument. The coots played four teams that fired their coach last year. Enough said.
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: Your analysis is a joke.
Jul 28, 2018, 7:27 PM
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South Carolina had a weak schedule last year and so did Clemson. That is my entire point. Find valid reasons to criticize South Carolina. Saying that their schedule was weak is lazy, and sounds dumb coming from fans of a team that also had a weak schedule.
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Oculus Spirit [43060]
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Valid reasons to criticize SC?
Jul 28, 2018, 7:49 PM
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Their schedule was weaker than Clemson’s period. They suck so bad they needed a last second miracle to beat La Tech. They suck so bad they got blown out at home by Clemson. We saw much better defenses in the ACC and yet statistically they were supposed to be decent. We saw better offenses in the ACC as well. They sucked last year and we manhandled them easier than many of our ACC competition but yet they won nine games. Why? Because their schedule sucks and they were less competitive than most of the teams on our schedule. 2nd in the SEC east. What a joke. Like I said only a coot would say what you say.
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Game Changer [1747]
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Oh yeah and did I mention that 3 SEC east teams
Jul 29, 2018, 10:01 AM
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were on the receiving end of blowouts against ACC Atlantic teams on rivalry weekend? Go back to your coop. You’re fooling no one.
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Game Changer [1747]
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 3:59 PM
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I could’ve done the same thing using different players and a different site. For example, just looking at last years class Rivals had Carman, Ross, and Kendrick as 5 stars while ESPN had them all as 4 stars. I’m more familiar with the Rivals site so that’s what I chose to use.
Thank you for stating the obvious that recruiting sites have different rankings.
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Walk-On [149]
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Jul 28, 2018, 5:27 PM
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You should have done the same thing. Look at all the sites, not just Rivals. If you already know that recruiting sites have different rankings for the same player, then you should check all the sites. Recruiting sites can be heavily biased. You should factor that in next time. I get what you’re saying, Clemson develops talent really well, so maybe people should chill with the people committed so far in this class. But, your post was a little bit misleading. That is all.
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Game Changer [1747]
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Jul 28, 2018, 6:26 PM
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You should have done the same thing. Look at all the sites, not just Rivals. If you already know that recruiting sites have different rankings for the same player, then you should check all the sites. Recruiting sites can be heavily biased. You should factor that in next time. I get what you’re saying, Clemson develops talent really well, so maybe people should chill with the people committed so far in this class. But, your post was a little bit misleading. That is all.
Dude it’s a Tigernet board post I’m not publishing an article. Your mom is calling dinner is ready. Run along.
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Commissioner [1211]
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YES! Total Fabrication to fit Narrative...
Jul 29, 2018, 4:06 PM
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overused tactic, out & out lie.
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Re: YES! Total Fabrication to fit Narrative...
Jul 29, 2018, 5:32 PM
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Are you talking about my argument partsunknown ? I hope not cause facts are exactly what it's based in . Are you a gamecock or Clemson fan ?
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Commissioner [1211]
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Yes, Clemsonbruhh, directed at u*
Jul 29, 2018, 7:38 PM
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Re: YES! Total Fabrication to fit Narrative...
Jul 30, 2018, 7:02 AM
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Dont waste your time talking to a coot. Your point is valid. Recruiting services have undervalued some of our recruits who turned out to be great players. It’s not a fabrication, it’s not a lie and it’s not a weak argument. Your point is that our staff has often evaluated talent better than recruiting services. That’s a fact that’s been proven time and time again. Anyone arguing against that is only fooling themselves. Anyone flipping out about recruiting this year has probably not followed this staff in the recruiting process very closely the last ten years or they’re just a coot trying to sow discord on our board.
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Jul 28, 2018, 12:48 PM
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Excellent Post!! I am certain though that many the recruiting "GURUS" on here will fight you to end on it. They really know zero about recruiting and even less about our coaching staffs record over the last 10 years or so.
Recruits-- good advice --do not pay any attention to the negatives on here. Half af them are morons and the other half are COOTS--a/k/a morons. If you are offered by this great school and coaching staff then you are thought of as blue chip prospects. They don't just hand out offers here.
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In related news...
Jul 28, 2018, 12:50 PM
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Rivals doesn’t know its ace from a hole in the ground.
~JKB
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Re: yep....,
Jul 28, 2018, 12:54 PM
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2 or 3 of those guys, per year, seem to outshine their rank. 2 or 3.
I hope 3 of the 20 we collect this cycle turn out.
I still say we're missing out.
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Re: yep....,
Jul 28, 2018, 1:04 PM
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That's true to some extent . However there are only 25 4 stars or higher according to ESPN in NFL at this time and the list I posted had 20 3 stars or less . I do hope we can close the deal on a 5 star or two and a few more 4 stars . I would feel better about the class then . How many spots do we have left ?
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Re: yep....,
Jul 28, 2018, 1:14 PM
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To say we have 20 3 stars this cycle is a gross exaggeration . Espn has us with 10 4 stars , 8 3 stars and a kicker .
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Re: yep....,
Jul 28, 2018, 11:01 PM
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I go back to my original argument which is the stars really do not matter. To a certain extent I agree with you but to me the staff gets the benefit of the doubt. If they want to commit a 2 Star or 3 Star in mid July why should we say they are wrong in their evaluation? I mean, tell me I’m crazy?
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 3:17 PM
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Thank you, sincerely! Great post, maybe post of the day!
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 3:36 PM
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You are awesome. I’m sure that took you a little time to put that list together. ????
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 28, 2018, 3:36 PM
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You are awesome. I’m sure that took you a little time to put that list together. ????
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Re: ?????? U
Jul 29, 2018, 10:29 AM
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Natty!
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POTY!!!!!!!***
Jul 29, 2018, 4:01 PM
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'Cause out one ?? is worth
Jul 29, 2018, 4:07 PM
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???? for anyone else.
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No1 cares
Jul 30, 2018, 7:47 AM
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The people complaining would complain
If clemson signed 23 5 star players. they would ask why clemson didn't sign 24.
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