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Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Thank you to all posting Sammy Watkins career highlights over the last few days.
After rewatching and rewatching and rewatching those clips. I have been struggling with an internal dilemma. Was TB10 actually better than DW4?
I know Deshawn accomplished more leading the team to a NC but give Boyds team the same defense, same Oline....does Clemson win a crystal football back then?
Who knows. Thoughts?
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:22 AM
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Hard to say, but it would be cool to see Tahj with DWs surrounding cast.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:43 AM
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How about DW with Tajh's stable of thoroughbred studs at boundary receiver?
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 12:27 PM
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DW wasn't exactly working with scrubs in the WR room.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 5:21 PM
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Correct but in 2011 Tajh had...
Deandre Hopkins
Sammy Watkins
Martavis Bryant
Adam Humphries
Jaron Brown
Charone Peake
Beyond the WR room...
Andre Ellington
Dwayne Allen
Brandon Ford
DW4 would broken national records with this group.
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Bingo ! The g d stupidity of some of our fans..someone..
Nov 1, 2024, 8:43 PM
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always steps up and raises the bar-
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:26 AM
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Not even close.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:27 AM
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At the deep ball? Sure
As an overall player? Not particularly close. DW4 elevated the program for good reason, he was a different caliber. Tajh was a great college QB with some tools but sometimes shrunk in major moments, Deshaun only got better the bigger the stage.
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Absolutely not***
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Possibly.
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:31 AM
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TB10 set a record for setting records here as QB and was a major factor in propelling Dabo's early recruiting successes and our on the field fortunes.
It reminds me a terrible thought I've often pondered - had Clowney committed to us and played his career here instead of SCar, we would very likely have been title contenders in 2012 and 2013, 2012 especially - he was that much of a difference maker. We likely don't let FSU come back from that hefty lead we established at Doak, and likely swap out the SCar game later with him on our line instead of theirs. That was the rematch year of Bama / LSU that kickstarted the CFP process so we would have taken Bama's spot there.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:38 AM
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We'll never know
but they were both GREAT for our Tigers
Without Tahj we don't get Deshawn
and thanks for all the memories (including Sammy)
GO TIGERS
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Not quite. Deshaun was the first QB that was in that elite "Gamer" level
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:39 AM
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that we'd had in a while at Clemson. DW4's game got better the higher the stakes. He elevated his play in big moments. Tajh was great as well and had his moments but didnt have that elite gear like Deshaun. DW4 was not going to be denied and we all knew it. We were spoiled.
That last game Tajh played against SCar where he was hearing footsteps all night by Clowney and just was rattled that whole game was something Deshaun never did. And thats the difference IMO. There aren't many out there like Deshaun though so I don't blame Tajh for not having that b/c he was really good too.
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Re: Not quite. Deshaun was the first QB that was in that elite "Gamer" level
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:51 AM
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that we'd had in a while at Clemson. DW4's game got better the higher the stakes. He elevated his play in big moments. Tajh was great as well and had his moments but didnt have that elite gear like Deshaun. DW4 was not going to be denied and we all knew it. We were spoiled.
That last game Tajh played against SCar where he was hearing footsteps all night by Clowney and just was rattled that whole game was something Deshaun never did. And thats the difference IMO. There aren't many out there like Deshaun though so I don't blame Tajh for not having that b/c he was really good too.
This ^^^^^
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Re: Not quite. Deshaun was the first QB that was in that elite "Gamer" level
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Nov 1, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Tajh took us from Tommy Bowden to perennial Top 10/15.
DW took us from Top 15 to CFP National Champions.
An equally large move on each part, and DW doesn't happen without Tajh Boyd coming before him.
I'd argue each had comparable surrounding talent at the skill positions (RB and WR). Each had good mobility. Each led us to unlikely wins in games we were used to losing.
However, as individual players, Watson gets the nod.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:41 AM
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As good as Tajh was for some reason in some big games he shrunk. Not all big games. Obviously he played amazing against LSU and Ohio state. He shrunk in that FSU game. Same Twice against Carolina. But I wouldn’t trade the LSU win or Ohio state wins for Carolina wins. At the end of the day it played out how it was supposed to. Tajh is the piece that started the whole thing. I
Deshaun never seemed to shrink.
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No way***
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:47 AM
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Hard to say and who knows with the same supporting cast how things would have played out.
Watson had the “IT” factor and I never got that feeling with Boyd. I would compare records against SC but SC had a really good defense when Boyd was here, so not thinking that would be fair either.
Great post and definitely food for thought.
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Tajh helped to build the foundation for future success.
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:50 AM
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Watson and Trevor both benefited from the work that guys like Tajh and Sammy did. Ben Boulware made sure to give credit to them after winning the Natty!
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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For me it's not even close. Tahj was good don't get me wrong, but I never felt like he could win any game no matter what. There wasn't a game when Deshaun was the starter that I didn't feel like we couldn't win. Even if he turned it over. Deshaun as a college player was clutch. With that being said, this program wouldn't be where it is at without Tahj.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 12:02 PM
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I don’t think so. Hear me out.
Tajh would get rattled when he was hit hard a few times during a game (remember Clowney and USUCK) and those Alabama defenses would have surly done the same.
With DW4, the harder the D played the better he got. DW4 actually got better/clutch under pressure.
JMO and nothing more. Love them both!
Go Tigers!
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 1:29 PM
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DW4 helicoptered, calmly moves offense down the field to win championship.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 12:07 PM
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No. Boyds games against the coots where he looked like a deer in the headlights is his biggest knock. We were better than we showed and he played awful. Also his game against FSU.
DW4 had ice water in his veins. He feared no team. If Boyd faces Bama with that defense he would have struggled.
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No. In a million ways no. But primarily DW4 had a will to win second to none.
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Nov 1, 2024, 12:13 PM
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And for a few years he was an NFL star. TB10 couldn't even make an NFL roster.
All respect to Tajh. No Tajh bit DW4. But there is no comparison.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 12:15 PM
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Interesting take. Tahj helped CLemson to their only win vs. UGA in the last nine meetings and since 1990. DW only played UGA once in 2014. Most here would probably say DW.
It's a similar take with UGA's Aaron Murray vs. Stetson Bennett. Aaron was more talented and has a lot of UGA records, but didn't have Stetson's OLine and Defense. With a must win game on the line, I'm taking Stetson every time though. He was the mailman.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
Nov 1, 2024, 11:42 PM
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Shut up and go away. DW4 would have beaten you turds if we $isn’t waste half a game with stroud in…
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
Nov 2, 2024, 12:06 AM
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Triggered much? DW couldn’t stop Chubb, Gurley, and Michel with 328 yards rushing.
You mean Cole Stoudt? The dude your godlike coach determined was better than DW? It sounds like he can’t evaluate talent worth a dime. Same thing this year with your WRs, according to many on here.
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Nov 1, 2024, 12:34 PM
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Sorry but no. DW4 was unbelievable. Had TB beat the coots…maybe? In our hardest/toughest games, DW4 shined the brightest. Remember that FSU and Winston beat down in the valley? Watson would have refused to go down
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 12:49 PM
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this cant be a serious question??? tahj is a great person and was a very good college QB, but Watson was on another level.
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Should have never been posted as a topic. Mods should remove this thread..
Nov 1, 2024, 8:56 PM
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some of these replies are more embarrassing than the ridiculous topic-
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The fact that Tajh never could handle the Coots is the one overriding blight on
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his time at Clemson. For that reason alone, I could never rate him above DW4.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98626]
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Steve Spurrier is the best coach of his generation.
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Nov 1, 2024, 6:01 PM
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NIck Saban couldn't have built a program at USCe like Steve.
I don't like SOS, I didn't like him when he was at Duke or Florida and I didn't hated him at USCe. He beat us when he was at Duke, and he would have beaten us at Florida if we'd played and he caught Dabo before Dabo had built a team.
It's not Tajh Boyd's fault we lost to the coots. Be honest and give SOS his dues.
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Love some Tajh Boyd, maybe my fav QB ever at Clemson
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DW4 was a better QB IMO, not really all that close.
Tajh had the nicest deep pass I have ever seen, almost as nice as Dan Marino or Warren Moon. However, he did not have the competitive nature of a DW4 and you could see that when it come to the better competition. DW4 had a relentless nature to always overcome any failure(turnover) and helped Clemson win games they otherwise do not win. His play against Alabama in the National Championship loss and the win were unique and I consider those to be the greatest QB play ever at Clemson.
While at it, here is my thoughts on Clemson best QB's
1. DW4
2. TL16
3. Homer Jordan
4. Tajh Boyd
5. Woody Dantzler (my opinion, but honestly not better than Steve Fuller)
6. Steve Fuller
7. Rodney Williams
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 1:18 PM
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Tahj had some big highlight plays, but down after down after down give me DW4
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Put the bottle down.
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:46 PM
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DW4 is the greatest college QB to ever lace em up at Clemson.
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Re: Put the bottle down.
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Re: Put the bottle down.
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Nov 1, 2024, 11:44 PM
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Not better than dw4…
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Game Changer [1985]
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:54 PM
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We were in an offense that catered to his skill set and had one of the best stable of WR's ever in CFB.
There were things that TB was better at but over all it's as hard call. Imagine if we had the 2015 - 2016 defenses while he was there.
However, if we are down 5 with 2 minutes to go in the National Championship against Alabama, I am picking DW4 every time.
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DW4's play in the 2 Nattys vs elite Bama defenses
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Were 2 of the best individual Tiger performances ever. Yes Tajh vs LSU was great, but DW4 was HIM.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
Nov 1, 2024, 3:09 PM
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Tahj took the Clemson QB position to the next level that allowed Deshawn to win the natty. I don't think either could do what the other did.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Tajh Boyd is better than Deshaun Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 3:54 PM
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DW4 made Saban change his football philosophy. TB10 was a good player but, DW4 had an extra it factor.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
Nov 1, 2024, 4:02 PM
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DW was better IMO. Loved TB too.
DW had nerves of steel time after time in huge games. Never really got in his head. He was in rarified air in that category.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 5:45 PM
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TB10 had what might be the greatest group of receivers ever assembled on one college team. My goodness the talent at WR was immense. TB10 was tough as nails and never quit. His teams didn't have the defensive support that DW4 had and TB10 was not as consistent with his accuracy. Tb10 didn't throw picks like DW4 was prone to do. I'd take either one and go to war with em. Tb10 got it all started. DW4 took it to the top of the mountain.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98626]
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It's so unfair to compare players.
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Nov 1, 2024, 5:54 PM
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Different teams, team mates, coaches...make it impossible to do more than give a personal opinion and I won't give that in a public forum for it would be an insult to the one I didn't choose as best.
During the dark times, when DJ was QB, I longed for either of them to be behind center rather than DJ.
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Tough Call
Nov 1, 2024, 7:17 PM
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I am certain of one thing.
Boyd never got anywhere remotely close to a decent shot at the NFL. Watson has been wasting his. The Tidewater will never look down on TB10, not sure if the same can be said of DW4 in regards to his hometown.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nov 1, 2024, 7:30 PM
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Sorry dude, but that’s nuts. Recall TB actually looking scared against USuCk and losing badly? NEVER saw fear from DW4. He will always be the best QB we’ve had to me.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
Nov 2, 2024, 7:18 AM
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That's cool ..but was the question really TD worthy?
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
Nov 1, 2024, 7:34 PM
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Love Boyd but he couldn’t beat the coots. That is a major factor with me.
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
Nov 1, 2024, 8:24 PM
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No
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A RIDICULOUS question!****
Nov 1, 2024, 8:39 PM
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Re: Tahj Boyd > Deshawn Watson?
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Nope
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I can't believe anyone would ever think this.
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DW was the most clutch performer we have EVER had in football.. period. End of discussion.
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To answer that question, I'd compare major
Nov 2, 2024, 8:17 AM
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commonalities, given the difference in WR rooms/rest of team/quality of opponents. To me, the most telling commonality to base the decision would be NFL career. Which was drafted higher and which had a better NFL career?
I'd say that was DW4.
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TB never beat coots, so no!***
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