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All-In [10603]
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How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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I keep reading this from TNet posters, but other than watching Dabo look at his (presmed) play sheet and talking in the mic to either the QB or to Riley (presumably) to call the play, what is the bass for this presumption?
If someone on here has direct info from someone on the coaching staff that can confirm the presumptions as being true, then I’ll salute and join the ‘Dabo needs to quit meddling in the offense’ army.
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Dabo definitely involved. Control issues***
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:03 PM
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Prior to this accusation he was accused of being a hands off CEO type coach.***
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:07 PM
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It’s just whatever the poster wants it to be with or without factual evidence.
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BS. Name one person who wished he was more involved in Brents defense.***
Nov 30, 2024, 8:11 PM
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Re: BS. Name one person who wished he was more involved in Brents defense.***
Nov 30, 2024, 11:24 PM
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Re: He was a lot more successful when he was more hands off.***
Nov 30, 2024, 9:48 PM
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He was a lot more successful when he had Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Sammy Watkins, Travis Etienne, etc.
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Tiger Titan [47854]
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Yes, that too.
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Nov 30, 2024, 9:49 PM
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Elite players and coaches were the main keys to his success, not love and Clemson family like he seems to think.
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Valley Protector [1475]
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Re: Yes, that too.
Nov 30, 2024, 10:51 PM
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Tony Elliot and Jeff Scott weren't elite coaches.
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Re: Yes, that too.
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Elite coaches like the one barely removed from Texas high school football and the Oklahoma DC who was being demoted. That’s it. Those are the “elite” hires. Everyone else was basically part of the friends and family system that so many on here hate because posters like JK have beaten false narratives into the ground on this board.
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Agreed. Maybe they should stick to ranking Best Bridesmaid Drunk Busses on
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Broadway ?
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TigerNet Immortal [169168]
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Its been posted numerous times, you just dont want to believe it.
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There are plenty of telltale signs of you know what you’re looking at. Start with our offense looking identical under three different coordinators. That’s a statistical impossibility if they are given any level of reasonable autonomy. Then go to Dabo saying “we don’t run Riley’s offense, he runs the Clemson offense” in response to actual fan excitement that the playcalling could be changing.
There’s plenty more but I’m not into beating my head against a wall.
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Re: Its been posted numerous times, you just dont want to believe it.
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:23 PM
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Jesus that was arrogant and demoralizing when he said that. I swore it was a misunderstanding. The signs are definitely there. I doubt anyone can prove it for RTD
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Re: Its been posted numerous times, you just dont want to believe it.
Nov 30, 2024, 8:53 PM
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So you’re relying on your own intuition.
OK, you’re entitled to do that. It still doesn’t transform your presumptions into fact.
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Re: Its been posted numerous times, you just dont want to believe it.
Nov 30, 2024, 8:55 PM
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Yea I am. I can only go off what I’ve seen. It all has appeared the same regardless of who hold the OC title.
What would you prefer the truth to be?
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Re: Its been posted numerous times, you just dont want to believe it.
Nov 30, 2024, 9:37 PM
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The issue is the talent.
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Re: Its been posted numerous times, you just dont want to believe it.
Nov 30, 2024, 10:19 PM
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No it isn’t
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Re: Its been posted numerous times, you just dont want to believe it.
Nov 30, 2024, 10:52 PM
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Yes, it 100% is.
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TNet posters never worry about letting the facts getting in the way !***
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:06 PM
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Please stop. It’s 100% Dabo. Plays scared. After 2 championships and all the well deserved money he has made I can’t at all figure out why?
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
Nov 30, 2024, 8:55 PM
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You must be a football coach at some level or a professional football analyst.
Thank you for your valuable insights.
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Scout Team [87]
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
Nov 30, 2024, 10:21 PM
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What are your valuable insights why we’ve lost to the colts 2 out of 3 games?
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Clemson Conqueror [11230]
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
Dec 1, 2024, 1:19 AM
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We need to quit playing NFL teams then. Geesh!
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Nov 30, 2024, 9:46 PM
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Wesco and Moore are as talented as they come. Antonio Williams is no slouch. Heck, even Brinningstool will probably be drafted. The o-Line still had issues but overall this is not a talent deficient team. This is the same offense that barely beat Pittsburgh while they played a backup QB.
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Valley Protector [1475]
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
Nov 30, 2024, 10:57 PM
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Wesco and Moore are talented, But they're not As good as Sammy Watkins T. Higgins mike Williams are those guys. Same thing with Klubnik. He's pretty good, But he's not at the level of Watson or Lawrence.
The problem is, With the offensive line that we have, we HAVE to have elite quarterbacks in receivers. We can't just have pretty good quarterbacks in receivers. We have to have elite ones. It has to be both. We've got some talent, but we don't have elite talent, and we're not talented all the way down the line.
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:08 PM
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We have no idea.
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:12 PM
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Dabo has been heavily involved in the play calling since his first year. Why they like to try to keep it a secret I don't know. You're not reading through an offensive play sheet the entire time we're on offense if you are not heavily involved.
But believe what you want. It's obvious.
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
Nov 30, 2024, 8:56 PM
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How do you know that Dabo is holding an offense play sheet?
Let’s start with that.
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Tiger Titan [47854]
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Well, for starters, our offense under Riley looks more like our old offense
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:16 PM
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that we ran under Streeter and Elliott than what Riley ran at TCU.
We also know that Dabo has been insistent that Riley was brought here to run Clemson’s offense and not his own.
In addition, it has been confirmed by our last few OCs that they call the plays but with input from others.
And yes, Dabo consults his laminated play sheet often and is always talking into the microphone between plays. He is probably weighing in or changing the play.
My belief is that Riley has plays he is allowed to call. These plays seem limited. So yes, Riley technically calls plays but once he does he can be overridden by Dabo.
This explains why our tempo is much slower than it was when we were elite - more voices (including Dabo’s) chiming in before a play is decided upon.
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Re: Well, for starters, our offense under Riley looks more like our old offense
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:18 PM
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So, no evidence then? Just your usual Dabo hating conjecture.
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Re: Well, for starters, our offense under Riley looks more like our old offense
Dec 1, 2024, 7:15 AM
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Because it’s not out on defense
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Ding ding ding - we have a winner !
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Nov 30, 2024, 9:06 PM
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Our fans haven’t yet figured out that CK2, while having developed into a very good college QB, has no truly special talent other than linear running speed.
Yes, CK2 is exceptionally fast as a straight line runn8ng QB. He can make high speed wide turns as well.
He’s not very shifty, though. He doesn’t break tackles or drag defenders during his runs.
He doesn’t have a strong arm. It’s good enough for a team to win with him at a high level, but only if if if his accuracy was superior …
Which brings to acccuracy. He’s improved considerably with his accuracy (also somewhat improved re arm strength, which reflects good coaching + hard work).
(*). The overall combination of talents + limitations with CK2 equate to the key cog in the G.Riley offense not being able to create multi0le miracle plays per game.
(?). Does this mean that the G.Riley offense isn’t anything special; that G.Riley’s offense only works with a truly superior QB (in which case, most college offenses thrive if bless3d with a superior QB)?
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Re: Ding ding ding - we have a winner !
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This doesn't explain running an injured RB on a draw play on 3rd and 20. Refusing to take a shot at the end zone before halftime. General conservative playcalling the entire second half with the exception of the final drive. Heck what about not even having your hands teams ready for an on-sides kick? These are all a sign of porridge coaching from the HEAD man. The offensive philosophy was dictated to go into Turtle mode by Dabo. Im not saying Riley is an offensive genius, but it's clear he's coaching while handcuffed.
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Re: Ding ding ding - we have a winner !
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Im not agreeing with everything here but Mafah should have sat many more plays than he did. I wanted Woods to get the ball when we went Jumbo because Mafah has not played great for 3 games now. The willingness not to take a shot end of half is frustrating. And the change from 3 LBs to 2 did not help us with Sellers. Probably should have had Sammy spy Sellers 5yds off the line the entire game.
I think when Dabo watches the film he will second guess some calls today.
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Just so folks will know how full of sh*t you are
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When we were elite and won a national championship with superstar qb Trevor Lawrence we were 57th in the country with an average of 73 plays per game. This season, under our non-elite, Dabo meddled offense we are 9th in the country at 75.5 plays per game. We’re also 7th in total offense and 11th in scoring offense.
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Re: Just so folks will know how full of sh*t you are
Dec 1, 2024, 7:14 AM
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When you have pick six’s or their offense scores quickly, our offense runs more plays. Yards per play is a better matrix. Neg bubble screens never help
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Re: Just so folks will know how full of sh*t you are
Dec 2, 2025, 4:39 PM
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I was answering this specific assertion: “ This explains why our tempo is much slower than it was when we were elite - more voices (including Dabo’s) chiming in before a play is decided upon.”. I think the stats provided are adequate to demonstrate if is completely false. But, to your contention, we are averaging 6.1 yards/play. That’s the highest in 4 years, higher than 2 playoff teams, higher than the 2016 national championship team, and 7th overall of Dabo’s 16 seasons as full time head coach.
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I wouldn't say 'insistent'...
Nov 30, 2024, 8:25 PM
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really. He mentioned 'running the Clemson offense' once as I recall, and it was just terribly unfortunate because it was ambiguous.
Did he mean that Riley's offense would BECOME the Clemson offense? Did he mean Riley was a better teacher/coach and could make the 'Clemson offense' come back to life? Or something else?
Again, just a really unfortunate turn of phrase.
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Well, whose fault is that?***
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Re: Well, whose fault is that?***
Nov 30, 2024, 11:20 PM
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Some of us the fact that clemson is simply not the destination spot that some of you think it is. We're not gonna out recruit other elite schools like Georgia Ohio state or Alabama on the consistent basis. It's just simple not going to We're not gonna out recruit other elite schools like Georgia Ohio state or Alabama on the consistent basis. It's just simply not going to happen.
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:16 PM
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The exact same idiots who posted incessantly that Streeter had to be fired post this now because they lack the mental fortitude to accept that their original proposition was wrong. Since they got the big name hire and it isn’t working, it has to be a conspiracy that Dabo is interfering. It can’t possibly be that their assessment was wrong.
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TigerNet Immortal [169168]
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lol. Youre making our argument, genius.
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Easy to assume that Streeter’s offense looked just like Elliott’s offense because he was mentored by Elliott (even though his offenses at Coastal looked quite different). It’s actually impossible to ignore when a total outsider with a vastly different offense comes in and runs the same offense as the two predecessors, down to situational play calls and strategic tendencies.
Rather than thinking this shows that Dabo is awesome (your brilliant hot take), this is where the thinkers in the room realize what the commonality is in all three scenarios.
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Re: lol. Youre making our argument, genius.
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Your arguments are sub 100 iq drivel.
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You must be running sub 80s then,
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:27 PM
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Because you have no response.
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Re: Hey, look who used the correct version of your this time when insulting someone
Dec 1, 2024, 4:06 AM
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Two tards in pod.
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Re: lol. Youre making our argument, genius.
Nov 30, 2024, 9:12 PM
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To be fair, I wonder if Dabo has big-footed both Streeter and G.Riley and is asserting his HC priviledges to veto his OC’s play calling &/or personnel preferences.
But watching Dabo on the sidelines carrying a sheet and talking into a microphone device doesn’t come close to proving 5hat Dabo has been running the offense.
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TigerNet Immortal [169168]
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I suppose its your right to wait until 5, or 6, or 7
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Different OC’s all call the same offense at Clemson before beginning to suspect that Dabo might have an overt impact on it all, and I’m sure such measured caution works for you. I’m just a bit of the gambling rebellious type who feels comfortable calling it after 5 years and 3 coordinators worth of homogeneity.
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Re: I suppose its your right to wait until 5, or 6, or 7
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Except that the offense isn’t the same and you’re just repeating nonsense ad infinitum with no evidence. The Clemson offense looks vaguely similar to whatever arbitrary parameters you’ve set up in your mind as confirmation bias because it’s a college football offense. It isn’t rocket science and there is only so much variation. But by all means, continue to trash the program you supposedly support just so you can scratch that urge for self-aggrandizement by thinking you know better despite having know tangible evidence to any of your assertions.
Our total offense is up 20% since last year, ranked 6th in the nation (highest since 2019), and putting up more yards than any season since our playoff run. Scoring offense is up 10 pts/gm since Streeter’s last season - 42%. Since 2011 we have only averaged more passing attempts per game in 3 seasons - only 2 of those during our play-off run and only 1 under Chad Morris.
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Riley is calling the plays but the Dabo haters think otherwise. Sure he's involved as most coaches are.
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If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:17 PM
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Then it’s Dabo calling the plays. Same play calls with three different coordinators. No way that happens without Dabo involved
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Re: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck
Nov 30, 2024, 9:17 PM
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Back when DJU was QB, we ran far more RPO than we’ve run with CK2 at QB.
That coincides with the change in OC, but that doesn’t have to register with those who’ve proven in their own minds that Dabo must be runn8ng the offense because it hasn’t changed a bit.
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It's a load of horse #### from the usual suspects.***
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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The people that are saying that have no proof. It is pure speculation
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3rd quarter we played not to lose***
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Re: 3rd quarter we played not to lose***
Nov 30, 2024, 9:19 PM
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Too bad that we scored a TD in third Qtr. Otherwise, you’d have made a good point.
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Re: 3rd quarter we played not to lose***
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The TD was straight out of halftime. Went conservative after that opening TD
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We don't. I think some people just don't like Dabo.***
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Riley is the OC. He is accountable for this Pee Wee offense.
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
Nov 30, 2024, 9:55 PM
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Wouldn't this mean that Dabo is responsible than for 3 failed OC's in a row?
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Ring of Honor [21448]
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Nov 30, 2024, 9:28 PM
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I don't know at all but I just ask one question. Do you see any meaningful change in our offense since Riley came to us?
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Nov 30, 2024, 10:05 PM
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No one on this silly board can confirm that … they’re lying if they say they can. Bunch of whiny ### clowns that have zero clue in this site
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Dynasty Maker [3272]
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We don't for sure, but we know he's responsible either directly or indirectly...
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Nov 30, 2024, 10:14 PM
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He either is meddling to our detriment, or he's allowing stagnation to our detriment.
We also know that many similarities and problems have persisted under three different OC's. That doesn't prove Dabo's constraining GRiley, but insisting that we have a smoking gun before we notice the common threads and surmise some level of dereliction or another is to ignore what's in front of us.
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Valley Protector [1475]
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Re: We don't for sure, but we know he's responsible either directly or indirectly...
Nov 30, 2024, 11:22 PM
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That's stupid honestly. The big problem is we don't have elite talent like we used to. I just get tired of all these people making these stupid comments thinking that you can just call any play you want to magically work, just because.
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Dynasty Maker [3272]
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Dec 1, 2024, 12:43 AM
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No one's suggesting it's all and only one thing or another, but if you can't see that we stagnate on our approach offensively, then you've got no business calling other commentary stupid.
Today was better than most play-calling wise, but of course that's a low bar.
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Dec 1, 2024, 2:32 AM
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I keep reading this from TNet posters, but other than watching Dabo look at his (presmed) play sheet and talking in the mic to either the QB or to Riley (presumably) to call the play, what is the bass for this presumption?
If someone on here has direct info from someone on the coaching staff that can confirm the presumptions as being true, then I’ll salute and join the ‘Dabo needs to quit meddling in the offense’ army.
Is this Trey Gowdy?
It's because we know. Who do you think Dabo us talking to? His moma?
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Head Coach [954]
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Re: How do we know that Dabo has constrained G.Riley and calls the plays?
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:21 AM
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You don’t. You also don’t know how much the success at TCU was Dykes calling plays or Riley calling plays.
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Campus Hero [13376]
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It's not about just calling the plays, it's about running the offense
Dec 1, 2024, 7:58 AM
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from spring ball to summer workouts to camp to practice to games, Dabo is not letting Riley run the show. How do I know this? Well there are two glaringly obvious reasons:
1) Dabo hired his friends and family and didn't let the new OC hire any assistants. This is why our fundamentals are so horrible and our offense plays so sloppy and undisciplined. The only good assistant we have is our OL coach.
2) Game-time production hasn't changed since Streeter. We can't run the ball and we can't get out of third and long. We stall and kill drives with moronic trick plays/screens. It's the same old story.
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Game Changer [2007]
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I don't know nothin' about nothin,' but
Dec 1, 2024, 8:06 AM
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I seem to recall that when Dabo announced the hire, he said something like, "It's the air raid now, but we're going to (adapt it and) call it the dirt raid."
Seems he intended from the beginning to constrain Riley...or at least being heavily involved in playcalls.
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