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Pete Rose... It's time
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I was watching this clip of Pete getting his 4,192nd hit to break Ty Cobb's record, and it just reminded me of how silly it is to keep Pete Rose out of the HOF. There are many players in the HOF who have probably done worse things than bet on baseball, and some who probably also did bet on baseball but just didn't get caught. We know there are probably some guys in the HOF who used steroids during that era who didn't get caught and still made it in.
I loved Pete Rose growing up and I really hope he makes it in before he passes on...
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Re: Did He Publicly And Ultra Sincerely Apologize For The Gambling Act????***
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Sep 27, 2024, 12:03 PM
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All that apologizing, then being the figurehead that places the first LEGAL bet
Sep 27, 2024, 4:07 PM
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at a sportsbook is still not a good look.
Were Pete Rose a more likeable guy, I say he would probably have been reinstated years ago. His personality does not make anyone want to do him any favors. That edge served him well while playing the game, now, not so much.
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
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Sep 27, 2024, 12:07 PM
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I liked Pete Rose also, but I really don't think that cheaters should ever be rewarded bc when they are it says that it's OK to cheat!!!
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
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Sep 27, 2024, 12:18 PM
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If they had evidence he threw a game as part of his gambling, then I could go along with your reasoning. If he simply gambled on the outcomes of other sports and baseball games, and never did anything to influence the results, then I think he has paid his price.
From what I've heard, gambling is considered an addiction and I think that should have been considered in his overall punishment. Pete has now served this ban for 35 years. Even prisoners have a chance to rehabilitate and be released. I think the punishment has been more than adequately served for the crime committed, and it is time to move on and let Pete be recognized for all of his positive contributions to baseball.
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Sep 27, 2024, 12:48 PM
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I think Gambling is as much an addiction as Drugs or Alcohol. Baseball helps its players who fess up to their addictions. Why not Pete? He obviously has an issue with it, so why doesn't MLB get him some treatment and proceed forward. It seems like they want to just punish him without offering any solutions that would qualify him for reinstatement. Maybe they are afraid that helping Pete would force their hand to reevaluate Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa and Roger Clemens......
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
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Sep 27, 2024, 12:52 PM
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Amen. My favorite player. Who gives a crap about betting. Such hypocrites. Betting did not get him a single hit. All the scum buckets in the hall let him in.
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Question: If it was a borderline HOFer would an apology be good enough?
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Sep 27, 2024, 1:25 PM
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Do you view Pete Rose’s plea for forgiveness as being of more relevance because he was inarguably one of the very best among MLB’s long list of great players?
Let’s say it was Bert Blyleven who had bet on baseball while employed by MLB and got caught. Blyleven (a pitcher) made the HoF belatedly; his W-L record was not anything special, although he racked up gaudy KO and Shutout numbers. Blyleven’s HoF credentials didn’t become obvious until WAR metrics entered the equation. Blyleven is in the HoF.
Should a lesser HoF candidate like Blyleven (who didn’t, to my understanding, bet on baseball … but work with me here) who begged for forgiveness for gambling be ‘pardoned’ and then get to enter the HoF based on his HoF-worthy WAR value?
Should an inarguably greater player like Rose get different ‘forgive him’ courtesies than lesser players?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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Sep 27, 2024, 1:28 PM
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I never liked him but as long as he didn't bet on his own team I'm not sure I have a problem with it.
It'll never happen though. Those against PR are the majority and borderline nuts in their opinion about it.
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 1:37 PM
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I never thought the gambling thing should've been a big deal in sports as long as you weren't betting on your own games or against your own team to where you're throwing and/or shaving points. Rules are rules, but just like the Reggie Bush thing and everything else, its been enough time. He didn't throw any games during his gambling ordeal, he apologized....just put him in already.
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 2:21 PM
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Never ever, ever let him in!!! He was my favorite player growing up, but he lied to all of us. He bet while he was playing. That's a violation of rule 1 in baseball. Then he took a voluntary lifetime ban in order to continue the lie.
But even worse and the real reason I hate him with such passion, he messed with a 14-16yr at 34 while married with 2 kids. Rose defended himself by saying they waited until she was 16 to have sex!!! Let him rot!!! Better yet cure his illness with a hot lead injection.
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 2:22 PM
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That record will never be touched.
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 2:29 PM
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I hated Pete Rose growing up
But he got a raw deal and should be HOF
The way he played established an all time reference for how to hustle for success
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 2:34 PM
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I’d take Shoeless Joe first.
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Pete does not want to get in
Sep 27, 2024, 3:36 PM
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He has made way more money not getting in than he ever would have if he did. All he cares about is money, put him in posthumously. He was given a chance to get in years ago if he would’ve shown some contrition and admitted his guilt and then helped improve the game, going around talking to players all over the league and minors about how gambling ruined his life and helping keep it out the game. He refused, let him stay where he belongs until he dies.
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That's not how I remember it.
Sep 27, 2024, 4:15 PM
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I recall Pete admitting to gambling and that was their proof to ban him from the game forever.
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He admitted as a manager
Sep 27, 2024, 4:27 PM
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But never as a player and still denies it.
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Re: He admitted as a manager
Sep 27, 2024, 7:03 PM
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The Dowd report said they found evidence he bet on games when he was a player-manager for the Reds, but could not document any bets made exclusively as a player. So, when he says he only bet on baseball during the time he managed, that apparently is true in terms of what they could prove.
It also stated that when he did bet on the Reds, it was always to win and not lose.
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Re: He admitted as a manager
Sep 27, 2024, 7:43 PM
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Such a joke, why defend him. He’sa narcissist and has a chance to be in the HOF but his hubris wouldn’t allow it
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Re: He admitted as a manager
Sep 27, 2024, 8:12 PM
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I'm more defending the fairness of the situation from someone that has been suspended for 35 years and I believe has more than paid his dues for his crimes. I just think it is time to acknowledge one of the all-time greats.
And yes, I grew up a Cincy fan when they had the likes of Bench, Morgan, Rose, Griffey, Perez, Concepcion, Foster,etc. and the lovable Sparky Anderson as their manager. The Big Red Machine heyday was during my time at Clemson, and I will never forget watching the Boston WS game 6 my Freshman year in my Johnstone dorm when Carlton Fisk broke my heart with his game winning HR.
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Re: He admitted as a manager
Sep 27, 2024, 8:15 PM
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That should upset you more. There is plenty of off the record proof he bet while a player. He was given a chance to get in and he declined. Let him die and be put in posthumously.
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Re: He admitted as a manager
Sep 27, 2024, 8:21 PM
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Off the record proof... you mean hearsay, rumor and innuendo. All of which grows and becomes less accurate as time passes. Let's at least stick with what was proven to be true.
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Re: He admitted as a manager
Sep 27, 2024, 8:22 PM
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And I'd actually be more upset if they did it posthumously because then it just goes to show it was nothing more than out of spite that they waited to put him in, not whether or not he actually deserved it.
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Re: He admitted as a manager
Sep 27, 2024, 8:24 PM
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You clearly don’t understand what it means to bet on baseball as a player and manager. He has no place in the HOF
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Re: He admitted as a manager
Sep 27, 2024, 8:26 PM
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His accomplishments as a player alone deserve to get in but his actions keep him out… YOU CANNOT BET ON YOUR SPORT.
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At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 4:30 PM
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I'm not sure he really wants to be inducted unless its right before his death (which based off meeting him in July might not be that long). He has told several people that the ban is now "his schtick" and is what helps him continue to get publicity for all of the autograph signings, etc. that he does. He literally has a shop in a mall in Vegas where he makes regular signing appearances to sign things like "I should not have bet on baseball" "I'm sorry" and (more recently) "I'm sorry for ______" (lots of things he didn't have anything to do with). I guarantee he's already signed a baseball and written "I'm sorry for Hurricane Helene."
Great player and I believe there needs to be a section of the HOF for guys like Shoeless Joe, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, and several others that would be HOF'ers if not for their vices, etc. Honor them, but essentially with a bit of shame still attached. Although I'd probably let Shoeless Joe in the regular HOF.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 7:10 PM
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I don't doubt what you are saying at all. Autographs are definitely his main income. I looked up his current net worth which, as of September 16, is 3M.
I know that is a lot of money to the world in general, but not so much in the sports world. That really doesn't have any bearing on whether he should get in or not, but I was curious to see where he is financially.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 7:47 PM
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Even if you believe he didn’t bet when a player, which he did, he manipulated line ups and pitching as a manager to bet on them. He doesn’t deserve the HOF while alive. Bud Selig gave him a chance to do it but he refused.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:18 PM
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I don't know if all you say is factually accurate and proven, but either way, he made mistakes and paid a heavy price. That should be recognized and acknowledged, and he should be able to move on and let the HOF decide if he is worthy to be inducted or not. If they don't vote him in, that is fine, but at least give the man the opportunity.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:20 PM
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It’s all true and proven. He doesn’t deserve to be in the HOF. Especially when Bud gave him the option to get in and he declined.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:26 PM
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You mean the same Bud Selig who in 2001 was sued for racketeering and conspiring to defraud the Expos minority owners and then bought his way out of trouble?
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:31 PM
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You clearly are not rational and posted this just to feel better about your stance. Believe what you want.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:40 PM
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I agree with DP, it is sad... I certainly have not said he did not deserve to be punished. My argument is simply that I believe he has served his time and should be let out of the dog house.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:41 PM
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He lays it out why he doesn’t deserve it
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:44 PM
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He is entitled to his opinion and so are you. I just happen to see it a bit differently and believe he more than paid the price to fit the crime and should at least be brought up for a vote. If the HOF thinks he is still unfit then let the people who played the game decide, not you, me, DP, or anyone else.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:46 PM
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There is no price to pay for what he did… the fact he was given the chance to get in and refused to do what was asked tells you all
You need to know about him. He doesn’t deserve it.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:49 PM
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That's your opinion. There are many others like myself who don't agree. It really doesn't matter because none of us control the outcome and I doubt he is going to get a vote before he passes.
I'd just like the HOF to be the ones to determine that...
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:38 PM
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LOL, sorry you got so butt hurt over it. It really wasn't as big a deal as you seem to want to make it. I don't think anything I have said has been irrational. I'm perfectly fine with pushback but not quite getting where all your distress is coming from.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Just gonna have to agree to disagree. You clearly don’t care about what he did and only care about his on field performance. That’s fine. I take everything into consideration. Why even pose the question if you are not willing to listen to a debate though?
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 8:54 PM
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I have been listening and I have not been reacting emotionally, but with a perspective that many others share. I will say again, I am not discounting what he did off the field; I'm simply saying that a 35 year suspension should be more than enough to pay for what he did. After that, it should come down to performance on the field which is why I say those who played the game should be allowed to vote on if they believe he paid his price, and deserves his place in history.
I'd rather see that come from the greatest players and not the commissioner's office.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 9:01 PM
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So in 40’year should we not care about steroid use because they paid their dues?
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 9:06 PM
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For me, it comes down to whether or not a person is allowed grace, mercy, and a second chance, once they have paid a representative price for what they did. We have murderers in this country who don't spend anywhere near 35-40 years in prison, and we don't seem to have a problem giving them second chances.
I do think all cases have to be looked at individually, but I also believe a time should come when the debts have been settled and folks are allowed to move on with their lives with a clean slate.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 9:10 PM
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And most of those steroid guys are not on lifetime bans and actually are getting the chance to be brought up for HOF votes, and the HOF players are deciding whether or not they are worthy, which is where I think it should be.
And yes, the players so far are voting them down which is fair and fine with me as well. Just give Pete the same opportunity is all I have argued.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 9:15 PM
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Again why even ask the question when you have your own answer and are unwilling to move. No point to even make the post. I provided plenty of evidence to counter it and you won’t budge. That’s not the point of a message board. It’s discussion to
Change our minds and create discussion.
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Re: At this point Pete Rose is profiting too much over NOT being in HOF
Sep 27, 2024, 9:18 PM
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I don't think a debate is about us agreeing. It is about us laying out our arguments and letting others benefit from the dialogue and decide for themselves, assuming they even have an interest in the subject.
I never walk away from these discussions feeling like someone has to win or lose or that I need to convince anyone to see it my way. Maybe you look at it differently, but that's just me.
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 4:34 PM
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It is 100% time for Charlie Hustle to be put in the hall.
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 7:13 PM
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I agree....it's time
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 9:04 PM
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Never for Pete Rose. Gambling.
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 9:36 PM
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I’m sorry, NO. You don’t gamble as a professional athlete. Great baseball player,, but you reap what you sow.
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Re: Pete Rose... It's time
Sep 27, 2024, 9:40 PM
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You must not play golf 
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