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Paw Warrior [5040]
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Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 2:32 PM
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5 to around 10 over past 2 years. Others in ACC gaining on us and we no longer competing with play off schools. We have got to use the portal to make up the difference if we gonna keep up,
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CU Medallion [20226]
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nah, just use the 'right' qb and all this talk
Dec 16, 2022, 2:35 PM
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would not exist. LOL
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Gridiron Giant [15920]
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In all seriousness, we are a fumble or maybe a QB switch
Dec 16, 2022, 2:41 PM
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away from being a playoff team this year. And I’m not even a “we earned the right to get crushed by _________” kind of way. I mean a team that can compete. I just don’t see how any of the four teams are obviously, vastly superior to a Cade-lead Clemson.
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1st Rounder [650]
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Re: In all seriousness, we are a fumble or maybe a QB switch
Dec 16, 2022, 2:54 PM
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away from being a playoff team this year. And I’m not even a “we earned the right to get crushed by _________” kind of way. I mean a team that can compete. I just don’t see how any of the four teams are obviously, vastly superior to a Cade-lead Clemson.
They’re not. Of the four in the playoff, only O310 and ugay are slightly higher in recruiting every year than we are. Tcu and Michigan recruiting no where near our level.
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Freshman [-74]
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If we're only slightly less than UGA and OSU, then Michigan is only slightly less than us.
Dec 16, 2022, 4:15 PM
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For the 5 years including 2021's class, our average is 8th.
Michigan's is 11.6. UGA's averaging ranking in 2nd, Bama's was 2.4, OSU was 5th, LSUs average was 7th.
Note these numbers do not include the 2022 class
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Legend [6948]
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Commissioner [1210]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 2:40 PM
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If you're having trouble recruiting elite players normally, they aren't going to be any more interested in you in the portal either.
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Paw Warrior [4898]
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The recruiting game started changing around ± 3 years ago...
Dec 16, 2022, 2:43 PM
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...and we've been slow to adjust..stubborn some might say. But give Dabo credit, we are adjusting...and we don't have a choice.
But what ppl lose track of is only "subtle" changes are needed..not drastic ones.
In fact, we've already seen several changes over the past year....more is coming...
The good thing is we won't ever resort to what MIA and TAM are doing...nor do we have to.
To the point the poster alluded to....the 2019 class, either though bad luck or simply bad takes, really exasperated our "quality depth" at several positions....
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Freshman [-74]
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3rd (2019), 5th (2020l, and 10th (2021).
Dec 16, 2022, 4:20 PM
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10th was a small class.
Let's not over-exaggerate. We weren't working at these levels prior to winning it all in 2016. And the ranking are far from an exact science.
No need to hit the panic button.
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Clemson Icon [26914]
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Re: 3rd (2019), 5th (2020l, and 10th (2021).
Dec 16, 2022, 6:04 PM
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But it’s sooo much more fun to hit the panic button.
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Freshman [-74]
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It's bizarre. It's like some folks spend their lives
Dec 16, 2022, 8:19 PM
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looking for things to be stressed out about. OC one day. DC next. Playcalling, not playing the not-ready true freshman, Dabo, NIL, portal, uniforms, you name it ... on and on an on.
Is this modern society? Can't be happy unless finding something to be worried about?
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Walk-On [145]
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You speak truth.***
Dec 17, 2022, 6:02 AM
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Walk-On [122]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 2:43 PM
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We have only had 2 Top 5 classes ever. Those were the outliers. We are constant Top 10 though.
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Dynasty Maker [3310]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:43 PM
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That's my thoughts too. I just checked 247's rankings over the past 10 years (2014-2023) and we average 9.7 over those 10 years (right in line with this year's current ranking of 10). We have a high of 3 (2020) and a low of 16 (2014 and 2017). That 2014 class had a certain Mr. Deshaun Watson and the 2017 class had 5 future NFL players (ETN, Tee, Amari, Baylon Spector and AJ Terrell).
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Ultimate Tiger [38840]
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The Portal, Good Man, Is a Dent and Damaged Bin of Returned
Dec 16, 2022, 2:53 PM
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Goods. Yes there are a few treasures in there, but mostly refuse.
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110%er [3771]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 2:56 PM
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As another poster mentioned we have only had a couple top 5 classes. We usually sit on average around 9 outside of those couple of classes. The sky isn't falling in recruiting but we do need to use the portal a little bit in this day in age just to keep us from depth desparity.
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Tiger Spirit [9854]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 2:59 PM
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Do you ever look up info before you post? We have rarely been top 4 in recruiting
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Tiger Spirit [9642]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:03 PM
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We most certainly kept up this year.
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Orange Elite [5125]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:03 PM
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Just because you think we’ve had all these top 5 classes doesn’t make it true.
Rivals rankings since 2010: (avg- 10.5)
2021- 7
2020- 2
2019- 9
2018- 8
2017- 22
2016- 6
2015-4
2014- 13
2013- 14
2012- 14
2011- 8
2010- 14
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Orange Elite [5125]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:37 PM
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Interesting that this post would get a TD…
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Recruit [97]
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Some TNetters are facts-averse***
Dec 16, 2022, 3:39 PM
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Freshman [-74]
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It was just that juvenile knuckle dragger, bloodbeorange.
Dec 16, 2022, 8:15 PM
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With now over 11,000 TDs (!), she gets the shakes when not TDing people every 5 minutes. She's like a heroin addict, except she's addicted to TDing people she imagines as trolls, and the of course TUing herself upwards of 32x each and every day! And that includes days when she doesn't even post!
Truly one of the most insane-pretending-to-be-sane posters on the site.
I've been very kind to her. Tried to help her and work with her for probably a year now. Problem is, she has to recognize and admit her utter lunacy before she's able to work on it. Unfortunately, when her insanity is succinctly pointed out, all she can do is TD (again).
She's kind of like DJ. She's messed up between the ears.
As a fellow Tiger fan, I have sympathy for her. But at some point she needs therapy. Let's be reap here.
Yup. Anytime you see a questionable, arbitrary TD, rest assured it was that lunatic TDer, Ms. Bloodbeorange.
Poor gal.
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Heisman Winner [78278]
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Re: It was just that juvenile knuckle dragger, bloodbeorange.
Dec 16, 2022, 8:30 PM
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Freshman [-74]
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Hearing voices again, lunatic?***
Dec 16, 2022, 9:45 PM
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Clemson Sports Icon [54565]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:50 PM
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Cherry picking data using just one service. Rivals has always been kind to us. The composite is a better metric.
Class rankings isn't the only metric. You really have to look at the class makeup. The better metric is how many elite players are recruited per year. Overall, we've taken a step back. Not as much in recruiting rated but our misses. We were competing with osu, Bama, uga getting 93-94+ on per recruit.
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Orange Elite [5125]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 4:18 PM
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I wasn’t cherry picking. Just used Rivals as it’s the most popular. The OP is wrong regardless, since we’ve only had 2 top 5 classes ever, no matter which you use.
Our composite rankings since 2010:
5, 3, 10, 7, 16, 11, 9, 16, 15, 20, 10, 23. Average of 12
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Paw Warrior [5040]
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Freshman [-74]
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Thats weak. Show your data otherwise
Dec 16, 2022, 4:29 PM
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be a man and admit you screwed up.
Thanks.
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Commissioner [923]
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Yes and it will get worse due to lack of NIL***
Dec 16, 2022, 3:25 PM
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Tiger Spirit [9479]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:25 PM
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1 - the rankings are very subjective, based on opinion of "experts" and who else my be recruiting a kid.
2 - related to point 1, if a kid is recruited by Bammer, or OSU or a few other "blue blood" schools. they are ranked higher. How many times have you seen a kid be a 5 star until he doesn't go to mama?
3 - We were really good and our rise started with classes that may have been in the top 15. It's about player development, not totally on star ranking. Star rating is overrated
4 - Great QB play covered a lot of sins. The past 2 seasons, we were exposed. We'll see what our QB play does for us moving forward.
5 - I'll take a top 10 class every day.
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Asst Coach [898]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Consistently recruiting 5 star QB's can make up for a lot ?
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110%er [3924]
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I'm expecting the recruiting ranking to continue a...
Dec 16, 2022, 3:35 PM
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...downward spiral due to Clemson's inability to drop million dollar NIL deals on top recruits. Ryan Day says he needs $30M to retain his roster?
Where is Clemson going to get that kind of dough with an alumni base as small as Clemson has? Ain't happening.
You can see how quickly (2 years) this entire situation deteriorated into chaos.
It will only take another 2 years for the situation to settle out on those big-money-players 18 universities, e.g., OSU, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Texas, Alabama, Michigan, Florida, Miami, aTm, etc., that will vie for yearly membership in Club 12.
College football for the NON Club 12 will REVERT to college football's original roots, where 2* & 3* players are playing for scholarships and the best players maybe getting a shot at the NFL.
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CU Medallion [20956]
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Re: I'm expecting the recruiting ranking to continue a...
Dec 16, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Lmfao then hop on a different train man, I’d take the class we have coming in over anyone else’s.
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110%er [3924]
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Woods and Vizzina can't sign until next week...
Dec 16, 2022, 4:06 PM
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...Plenty of time for "big-money" to get 'em.
You haven't gotten this class, YET!
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Freshman [-74]
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Recruit [97]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:36 PM
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110%er [4082]
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NIL - get used to it
Dec 16, 2022, 3:45 PM
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but NIL doesn't mean you will be good - just look at Texas A&M, Miami, Texas, et al
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110%er [3924]
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HOWEVER...it does START with good players!***
Dec 16, 2022, 4:09 PM
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Freshman [-74]
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There are more great players coming out of HS than there are great
Dec 16, 2022, 4:36 PM
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players in the portal.
Most all portal kids are quitting their current team because they were starting or playing enough.
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Freshman [-74]
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*not***
Dec 16, 2022, 4:39 PM
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Orange Blooded [2229]
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Re: NIL - get used to it
Dec 16, 2022, 11:27 PM
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The F***king sky is falling..
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Hall of Famer [8975]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Its not recruiting, its bidding! Affordability comes into play
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CU Medallion [20956]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:53 PM
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Ummmmmmm were any of y’all around before the 2015 era??? If you would’ve told me growing up we would be around the top 10 in recruiting for a decade I wouldn’t of believed you.
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Game Day Hero [4408]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 3:53 PM
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You do realize that 2020-2021 classes were outliers right. On average we are about 9 or 10. And we won 2 NC without a top 5 class. Granted we had elite skill talent so Dabo has to find a way to attract those elite WR back to Clemson.
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Paw Master [17238]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 4:09 PM
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I prefer to view it as reverting to the type of recruiting that won two national championships.
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Orange Blooded [2992]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 16, 2022, 4:24 PM
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We had averaged between 14-16th for the 4 yrs of recruiting prior to winning 2016 Natty. We were the first team since Okla/Stoops in 2002 to have a 4yr ranking average below top 10 to won a Natty.
So with good development, great coaching, being able win Nattys can happen. Unfortunately I believe our staff has taken a step down. Plus add in player development becomes more difficult if players are not willing to stick with the program.
But you can have all 5* players but if you can't develop or coach them up, you won't win a Natty either.
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Freshman [-74]
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You going to admit you were wrong?
Dec 16, 2022, 4:24 PM
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Or just leave your misinformation up as-is?
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TigerNet Legend [145135]
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We are currently in the midst of our best recruiting run ever…
Dec 16, 2022, 4:39 PM
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The most recent 5 recruiting classes at Clemson have been Dabo's #4 (tie), #2, #1, #4 (tie) and #3 overall classes.
Message was edited by: Francis Marion®
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Clemson Icon [25444]
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Chicken Dolt
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Game Day Hero [4152]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 17, 2022, 9:02 AM
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Funny that people don’t understand recruiting and roster management.
You could be a school who has no need for certain positions, yet they sign more and make their “ranking” high.
You sign who you need. The question is, have they peaked or not?
Stars are driven by journalists and people watching which schools offer.
The difference between being ranked 1 and 10 is generally nothing other than roster management.
See TExas A&M
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Legend [6951]
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Re: Our recruiting has changed from top
Dec 17, 2022, 9:08 AM
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“Just you wait and see”
With regards to the portal
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