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Paw Master [16549]
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I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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to be. I'm sure a lot of them think other countries are taking advantage of our military and economic strength. I'm sure the NATO defense funding issue is frustrating. Europe's use of Russian fossil fuels is frustrating. And I'm sure there are opportunities for greater trade, etc.
But the downright mafia-like approach. Is this really what you want people to think about with America? Pure quid-pro-quo? Pure mercenary? Pure "What's in it for me?" Like the cabinet members' comments about attacking the Houthis and about how they better get paid for it. This is what we are now? "B$*#& better have my money."?
In the latest proposal to Ukraine, apparently Trump has INCREASED his demands in exchange for...well...nothing that I can see (can someone please clarify if anything is offered aside from the assumption that we won't let anyone invade a country we basically own?).
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/ukraine-war-russia-uk-trump-ceasefire-sanctions-r87mvgj7x?region=global
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The deal proposes transferring all of Ukraine’s mineral resources, including oil and gas, as well as important Ukrainian energy infrastructure, into a joint investment fund. The income would be split between the US and Ukraine. The US would appoint three of the five board members, giving the White House overall control of the fund.
Under the plan, leaked to the Financial Times, the US would control infrastructure linked to natural resources “including, but not limited to, roads, rail, pipelines and other transportation assets; ports, terminals and other logistics facilities and refineries, processing facilities, natural gas liquefaction and/or regasification facilities and similar assets”.
It states that America will receive all the royalties from Ukrainian assets until the country has paid off at least $100 billion of war debt, with four per cent interest added.
We are basically telling them that they have to give away their country to us...for nothing...while Russia continues to bomb their cities. Effectively, Russia is providing the pressure for the US. We are basically business partners but like the Mafia, where we will hurt you until you sign our deal.
Have we no shame?
Do MAGA people really wake up in the morning and feel good about being Americans?
Anyway, easy for me to say but if I'm Ukraine, I certainly don't sign this deal. I would string Trump along for as long as you can and placate him for as long as you can get away with it. Don't do anything to make him lift sanctions on Russia out of spite. Despite what the administration says, this economic relationship certainly does not protect Ukraine. If Russia invaded in a year, we could very easily shrug our shoulders...sure, there might be a chance for squeezing Ukraine for money, but it's not like we had any money in it anyway. And Putin could easily assure Trump that he'll get a BETTER deal when Russia countrols the whole of Ukraine...and that's all it would take. There is no underlying sense of right-and-wrong. There is no underlying morality to anything Trump is doing.
Hopefully at the midterms the Democrats can take Congress back (I never thought I would say that) and they can take back their rightful power to levy tariffs and...I don't know...take full control over sanctions policies (is that normally a Congressional responsibility?).
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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Mar 28, 2025, 11:35 AM
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It is tragic. We will need someone smooth one day to fix relations.
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Ring of Honor [21768]
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Add the deteriorating economic & political relations with Canada, Mexico & EU
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Mar 28, 2025, 11:52 AM
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All the while increasing tensions with China.
Seems like the US is on the road to isolationism and significant economic recession. The bully approach to former Allies may not play out in our favor _ especially given the public, in your face approach of Trump’s administration. The citizens of independent, sovereign nations simply will not allow their leaders unilateral acquiescence to Trump. Other countries will be willing to incur hardship as opposed to surrender. The question is how willing are Americans ready to suffer economic consequences before rejecting MAGA? And even if the majority of US citizens reject MAGA, has democracy eroded to the extent that peaceful transition of leadership is possible?
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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Mar 28, 2025, 11:55 AM
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little z gon lose his whole country
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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Mar 28, 2025, 12:02 PM
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That's awesome. Thats great news for Russia, MAGA people, and North Korea. You guys are stoked.
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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Mar 28, 2025, 12:05 PM
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little z exposed europe for being weak
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Clemson Conqueror [12085]
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And exposed you for being clueless***
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Mar 28, 2025, 12:16 PM
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Paw Master [16549]
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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Mar 28, 2025, 1:26 PM
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You’re in a cult goober. Why so much disdain for Zelenskyy? In this situation HE is the good guy not Putin. We should be harassing the fuq out of Putin. The best thing that could happen is we put a hit on Pooty and kill his effing A$$. He’s evil and y’all magats are tards.
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It's utterly indefensible and a full heel-turn on what the US has represented
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Mar 28, 2025, 11:56 AM
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for nearly a century. But that won't stop the Keowees and ClemsonFakeRangers and RTDs and SOLOS and Crasses of the board from defending it tooth and nail. What a strange, strange place the Trump crowd has steered us.
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Re: It's utterly indefensible and a full heel-turn on what the US has represented
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Mar 28, 2025, 12:06 PM
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we serve so you gals can stay home safe and make us sammiches
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He's not wrong
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Mar 28, 2025, 12:11 PM
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If you had seen actual combat you would be bragging bout it every third post.
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Re: You're clearly not a Ranger, and it's doubtful you've ever served in the
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Mar 28, 2025, 1:01 PM
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no worries, not everyone can qualify for military service
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I promise you, I'm taller than you are.***
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Re: I promise you, I'm taller than you are.***
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Mar 28, 2025, 1:40 PM
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so you were just to weak to volunteer
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TigerNet Icon [151329]
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Lulz. What's your excuse, poser?***
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Re: Lulz. What's your excuse, poser?***
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:30 PM
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Maybe he was in pretend special forces with Kiwi
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Game Changer [1839]
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Or wanted a career with more than $28k out the gate***
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:36 PM
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Re: Or wanted a career with more than $28k out the gate***
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:37 PM
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so selfish
lefties are mostly selfish
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Game Changer [1839]
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better to that way than stupid and poor, I suppose
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:38 PM
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how many times did you catch yer wife with jody?
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Re: better to that way than stupid and poor, I suppose
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:50 PM
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so selfish, living off others protection, weak man
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Game Changer [1839]
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sure bud, whatever helps you
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:59 PM
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i can assure you, you aint proteccin diddlyshit of mine
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Re: sure bud, whatever helps you
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Mar 28, 2025, 3:04 PM
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woman, make me a sammich
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Game Changer [1839]
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No, most of us chose a different path because we have options
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:32 PM
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Where I'm from, only the potential school shooter types and poors joined up right outta school.
No one has said this to you before, so I'm telling you point blank. No one is impressed with your military service, especially when you use it as an excuse to act like a ######.
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Re: No, most of us chose a different path because we have options
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:35 PM
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tell geech72 he brought it up
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Game Changer [1839]
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First, you get the Camaro, then
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:43 PM
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you get the trailer trash wife who you can let pass as freeloadin' trash because she's a solid 6/10 who was your first after she decided to settle down after banging every dude near base for the past 2 years.
Go through Basic and get into housing. Knock wife up. Maybe go overseas and unload some trucks for a few months. Get back. She's 245lbs by that time, or by age 25, whichever comes first or when you get back from deployment. There's a whole phenom.
Get angry at liberals that your life sux.
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Re: First, you get the Camaro, then
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:49 PM
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wrong again
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Valley Legend [12477]
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Re: No, most of us chose a different path because we have options
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Mar 28, 2025, 2:53 PM
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Sorry, Dodge Challenger
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Re: No, most of us chose a different path because we have options
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Mar 28, 2025, 3:05 PM
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powerwagon
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Re: No, most of us chose a different path because we have options
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I’ll show you mine if you show me yours
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Clueless musk day in the lunge***
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Paw Master [16549]
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That wont cut it. If its purely were broke you can still stop supporting
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Ukraine in a way that doesn’t show us to be exploitive opportunists without the least interest in who is right and who is wrong. I would disagree but understand that policy.
“We condemn Russia’s unprovoked attack against its neighbor and call for the return of the 1991 borders, but I simply cannot ask the American people to spend billions on this war while their federal government is in debt.”
Short-sighted? I think so. Embarrassing? A little…we like to think we are the ones that keep the peace. But at least it would align with a broad moral centering of American ideals. But this? Lies about their leaders? Insults? Horrible deals and pressure while they are being bombed by Russia? It’s disgusting.
It will take a long time to overcome the damage this President is doing. I know you can’t see that but I suspect you will.
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The EU allowed this to happen, they should fix it.***
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Its like talking to a brick wall.***
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Paw Master [17048]
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Why again is this our "duty"? Do tell.***
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Why again is this our
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To arm Israel? Bomb the Houthies?
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Once again
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Our DUTY, at minimum, is to not make their cause worse in favor of the aggressor.
It's been told to you 100 times, and you either can't read or are just choosing to disregard it, but there options other than:
1)PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING
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2)CALL UKRAINE THE AGGRESSOR AND PUBLICLY INSULT THE UKRAINE.
And I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you know that, you just are too far down the sunk-cost road to allow your brain to admit Trump handled this horribly and did a major disservice to our reputation globally.
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Paw Master [16549]
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Thank you. The point of this post isn't that it's our duty or not. It's that
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we could have stepped away with dignity and in telling the world that America still cares which country is the aggressor and which is the victim.
To your point, I literally said that in the thread he's responding to and, like a brick wall, he can't understand it.
I do wonder if some of these MAGA supporters are going to ever wake up to this brainwashing they apparently are suffering from. And I call it brainwashing not because they support Trump, but because they do so with such mindlessness as above and from Ranger.
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I genuinely don't believe that the ones posting on here are truly that dense
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they just don't want to admit that they are wrong, and that they got conned into voting for a maniac.
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The US has benefited greatly from our relationship with Europe....
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We've had peaceful relations with them, and good trading partners in good, services and research.
And it's also strengthened the US. We've benefited from the last 80 years.
What MAGA is doing will make us all more poor, and weaker. America "First" is America "Alone" and America with waning influence & economy.
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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we must support corrupt dictators from other corrupt dictators
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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I'm still waiting on the arrests to begin here, and I don't care which party.
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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This odds with NATO has been ongoing for a very long time. BHO tried pleading to no avail, Sunset Joe most likely forgot. I have no issue telling NATO the free ride is OVER. Asking nicely has not worked . They did not want the carrot now they get the stick. Since they never funded their military and counted on the USA if big bad Russia came a knocking they funded their social agenda. Essentially by the USA taxpayers, so yeah I am totally good using an axe handle.
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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A lot of it was funded by loans from the same Europeans. Be honest, we haven't paid our own way since Bill Clinton was president.
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Re: I can't believe Trump's treatment of Ukraine and allies is how MAGA wants the US
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Most of the MAGA can barely read or write. Don't expect much from them and you won't be disappointed.
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