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All-TigerNet [6026]
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The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 10:17 AM
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As a member of the press for over 40 years, I made an assessment back in 1999 and it holds true today IMHO. The article talked about the one point of view that many fans tend to have - the "team colored" glasses view. I wrote about this in 1999 for The Oklahoman (OK newspaper) and the headline was "Fans Know What Coaches Know - But Don't Say it Out Loud."
In a nutshell, the article talked about how coaches are intimately aware of the the flaws in their players and team. They have to be. They know every aspect of a player before they sign them, and they keep stats and notes on every part of a player's strengths and weaknesses along the way. They discuss these issues regularly as a coaching staff and plan on how to improve them.
HOWEVER, when a fan points out those same weaknesses of a player or team, other fans are quick to jump to the team's defense. They criticize the person for pointing out the very things the coaches are discussing in private. On fan boards and "discussion" forums, phrases like "traitor" are hurled at posters in an attempt to defend their beloved team. The article concluded with this statement: "I'd love to take all the ridiculously rose-colored glass fans on chat boards and make them flies on the walls of most coaches meetings. Lets see how quick they are to hurl the same degrading insults and vitriol at the coaches for saying the same things their fellow posters are insulted for saying about their favorite team."
In summary... my goal of the article was to say "grow the F up, and have constructive discussions about strengths and weaknesses of your team." If you can't handle that, maybe you don't deserve to have a login to any public discussion accounts.
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Heisman Winner [84392]
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What does the 'F' stand for?
Dec 29, 2021, 10:21 AM
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TIA
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Ring of Honor [22418]
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That's easy The F stands for ####***
Dec 29, 2021, 10:23 AM
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All-TigerNet [6026]
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Re: That's easy The F stands for ####***
Dec 29, 2021, 10:25 AM
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freak, fart, fill-in-the-blank.... 
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Only I didn't say, "Fudge."
Dec 29, 2021, 10:27 AM
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Only I didn't say, "Fudge." I said THE word, the big one, the queen-mother of dirty words, the "F-dash-dash-dash" word!
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Paw Warrior [5018]
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Re: Only I didn't say, "Fudge."
Dec 29, 2021, 10:49 AM
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Probably from his father.
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All-TigerNet [6026]
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Re: Evidently, it means "Let's Go"***
Dec 29, 2021, 10:42 AM
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HAHAHA! That's funny.
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Re: What does the 'F' stand for?
Dec 29, 2021, 11:50 AM
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Yeah. As someone who is 4GOD, he lost all credibility and respect when he dropped his F bomb.
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 10:26 AM
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This is good. Would love to read your whole article if you can post it...
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Tiger Spirit [9154]
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Have you ever seen this kind of behavior anywhere?
Dec 29, 2021, 10:57 AM
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I for one would hate to see it at Clemson.
Thanks for the head's up.
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 10:58 AM
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Imagine if journalist took off their rose colored glasses and reported the news and events without biases or prejudices and without fear of offending their readers, viewers, political parties, or sponsors.
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 11:01 AM
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I can't speak for anyone, and I won't try, but as a 6 decade Clemson Tiger fan, it hurts when I hear fans say ugly things about one, or any of our players. Some aren't as good as others, and I'm OK with that discussion, but the ugly name calling of a player that our coaches asked, with some pleaded for them to come to Clemson. Saying, making ugly remarks about them shows that those people are really bad fans that Tiger nation don't need!!!!
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Top TigerNet [32816]
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more importantly....... to what end?
Dec 29, 2021, 11:06 AM
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what does it accomplish?
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 5:02 PM
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Thank you. For a sport’s “journalist” to publicly disparage a team or players is one thing, and it should be different when “fans” do so. A fan should be able to make constructive comments about poor play without truly hurtful comments.
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Top TigerNet [32816]
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lol. this again...
Dec 29, 2021, 11:04 AM
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" "grow the F up, and have constructive discussions"
I wouldn't hang out a drink beers with Nick Saban... but if i really wanted to know anything about college football i would certainly go to him before i ever thought about asking Paul Finebaum or Jeff in Alabama on the internets.
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 11:07 AM
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I agree. Constructive discussions of strengths and weaknesses can be just that - constructive. What I don’t like to see is fans calling players or coaches names or belittling them on a personal level or wishing ill will or injury on them. I’ve always thought a complaint accompanied by a suggested legitimate solution was good for discussion. A mean-spirited or or degrading comment or complaint is rarely constructive. And I’ve also noticed the guy that has to be perceived as the smartest person in the room rarely is.
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 11:09 AM
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Interesting that you’ve insulted Clemson fans twice in the last half hour, then point to your own article about “home colored glasses syndrome” in the wake of it as an objective POV.
By the way, you’re a freeloader here who doesn’t see fit to pay for any of the content.
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 12:45 PM
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I paid for 20 years... wrote to the owners of this fine site to explain why I needed to take a break... Free is an option here... sorry you find it appropriate to demean someone who chooses not to afford it. Praying to God you don't have kids you can impart that type of wisdom to...
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Tiger Spirit [9154]
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Don't say that prayer, brother
Dec 29, 2021, 2:01 PM
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Undermines everything your username is supposed to imply.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99922]
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Is there a differnece between constructive criticism and...
Dec 29, 2021, 11:14 AM
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making insults to a player or coach out of anger? Do we not have a lot of both here and would a smaller brush with which to paint your picture haven't given us a more defined view of your opinion?
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Re: Is there a differnece between constructive criticism and...
Dec 29, 2021, 12:20 PM
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The main problem is the fans may see some of the "weaknesses" of players but do not know the game of football well enough to properly talk about how each part works. Most of these writers have not played the game above little league level and do not understand the timing of how each player must work and move to make the whole thing run properly. Until one has spent hours in the dust, mud, and whatever else is on the field, this person cannot understand the minutia of the game. That is what makes
watching Hunter run pass routes so much fun.
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Varsity [101]
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Re: Is there a differnece between constructive criticism and...
Dec 29, 2021, 1:58 PM
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Based on this post and timing for it, my fact checker says your claim to be a 40-yr member of the press is PLAUSIBLE.
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Re: Is there a differnece between constructive criticism and...
Dec 29, 2021, 7:00 PM
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Well, I never have hidden my identity on here. My name is LJ Smith and I am the Sr VP of Programming for iHeartMedia. My work number is 803.343.1115. Started in broadcasting in 1978 and have never had another profession. You can ask anyone in radio about me, search my name and radio and maybe do some homework before exposing your own ignorance.
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 12:49 PM
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Ahem,AMEN !
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Paw Warrior [4809]
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 12:53 PM
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TLDR:It is Gameday...Post it next Monday...
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Re: The problem with fans (sorry kinda long)
Dec 29, 2021, 2:16 PM
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I see a large difference between being an irrational sports fan and an unabashed homer, versus someone who obtains their life views through dictation by a political party or even religion.
For fans, sports are entertainment and a way for people to blow off steam. Every fan has their own way to to enjoy the game and as long as they aren’t punching people out in the stands or ruining the game for others, live and let live.
Anonymous fans screaming into the ether on a message board means absolutely nothing.
Don’t take it so personally. No offense, but your article didn’t change anything 20 years ago and it’s not going to today either. I’d focus on other aspects of your career to draw pride from.
Go Tigers! 31-27 (higher scoring than expected due to turnovers)
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