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Valley Protector [1451]
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Mar 26, 2025, 5:41 AM
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Those on this board that say Brownell's record is because the ACC is down need to consider also that the ACC in football is terrible and has been for years. Fair is fair in comparison but I don't see them deriding Dabo and they should not. I'm just saying.
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Clemson Conqueror [11291]
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Mar 26, 2025, 5:45 AM
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And Dabo has won ten championships and dominated the league.
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It's a little harder to criticize a coach who has been to 4 National Championship games and won 2 of them. Dabo didn't just win the ACC he has dominated it over the years.
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He sure has, but unfortunately we havent had high level success recently.
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Dabo‘s record against the SEC in recent years has been poor, and our record against the best teams on our schedule has also been poor. That has to change, or else we are left to conclude that we are mostly padding our wins against week ACC teams.
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When did brownL win anything? Reg season? ACCT? NCAA? NIT? ANYTHING?!?!
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Mar 26, 2025, 10:56 AM
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Oh yea, NEVER. How about you #### now with your false equations.
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Re: When did brownL win anything? Reg season? ACCT? NCAA? NIT? ANYTHING?!?!
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Mar 26, 2025, 10:58 AM
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A world championship against a pick up team from Ukraine during Covid. Totally legit.
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Game Changer [1804]
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Re: When did brownL win anything? Reg season? ACCT? NCAA? NIT? ANYTHING?!?!
Mar 26, 2025, 2:15 PM
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That happened.
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Re: He sure has, but unfortunately we havent had high level success recently.
Mar 26, 2025, 12:45 PM
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Think! What prevented students from visiting Clemson for several years? What is the best tool Clemson have for recruiting? Who was our DC for several years? His defensive philosophy cost us several games. Who was our overrated QB before CK? All these things combined to produce the record of the last few years. Look at our more recent recruits.
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Mar 26, 2025, 6:10 AM
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Yea but he did win in the playoffs and won 2 national championships against the SEC’s best, so there’s that. Good try though 55!
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Tiger Titan [50219]
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How many years ago was that?***
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Tiger Spirit [9761]
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IT'S DEFINITELY NOT BEEN 15 YEARS!
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:53 AM
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At least Dabo put some hardware in the trophy case.
Go Tigers!
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Tiger Titan [50219]
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Yes, he has been incredibly successful at Clemson.
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It has been an amazing effort by many people, including Dabo, his assistant coaches, the administration, and fans. Dabo was had incredible support which most coaches can only dream of.
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Clemson Conqueror [11544]
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Would you agree that support was earned by him?***
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Re: Yes, he has been incredibly successful at Clemson.
Mar 26, 2025, 10:59 AM
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His salary is a lower percentage of the football budget than Brownell’s is the basketball. Who is really getting the support?
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Re: brads best year which was this year
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I played basketball for more than 20 years. Brad is a VERY POOR in-game coach. Clemson needs to look elsewhere for a coach. This extension was a big mistake.
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Tiger Titan [45009]
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Nice try Oldcoot57.***
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Folks
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It’s early but we may have the DA post of the day. Good work, kid.
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Orange Phenom [14322]
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Wow. Tell ‘em nothing since 1969!!!
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Mar 26, 2025, 7:58 AM
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I Can’t Drive 55!!
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Is this JK, or one of his clones ?
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Re: ACC
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Tiger Titan [50219]
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Absolutely correct.
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Given a down ACC, we have to look at performance against ranked opponents (in or out of conference) as well as nonconference performance, especially as it relates to the better teams on the schedule.
Dabo was 0-3 against the SEC last year, including a blowout loss to Georgia and a double digit loss to Texas. Dabo is also 0-5 against his last top 5 AP opponents.
In contrast, Brad is 5-0 in his last 5 games against AP top 5 opponents, and has wins against Duke, Kentucky, Arizona, Baylor, etc. in recent years.
If anyone is benefiting from a weak ACC lately, it’s Dabo. When was our last signature win in football over a great team? It’s been a while.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98894]
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In a down year for him, he still won the acc championship. Something
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brownlee hasn't sniffed in a whopping 15 seasons. Dabo also didn't lose to lousy mcneese st. lol
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Tiger Titan [50219]
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it just goes to show how down the ACC is in football
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:53 AM
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when the ACC champion was 0-3 against the SEC with its only good win being against the second-place ACC team, both of whom mostly padded their win totals against the bottom half of the conference.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98894]
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Same for basketball. Show us brownell's trophies.***
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Tiger Titan [50219]
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You claim to be a Clemson fan, but feel the need to bash our basketball program.
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Sad.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98894]
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How ironic. That's your whole shtick with our football team and they've
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actually won championships.
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Tiger Titan [50219]
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Here is the difference between you and me.
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:19 AM
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I acknowledge our football success and celebrate it. Wins, recruiting victories, etc. I also share my critiques as needed.
You, on the other hand, never seem to acknowledge any of our basketball success. Instead, you make it your whipping boy when you feel that football is being threatened.
This is consistent with your pettiness, such as downvoting all of my posts, even ones where I say I’m praying for someone. You are a sad man/woman.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98894]
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You personally attack folks on the board. You post racist attacks against our
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:23 AM
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players and their families. Your posts regularly get zapped because members are tired of your shtick. You want sad? Take a long hard look in the mirror.
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TigerNet Elite [69571]
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Oh the hypocrisy and the irony!
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Do you realize how unbelievably stupid and childish you sound? It is YOU who makes Dabo your whipping boy when you feel that basketball is being threatened. In no universe or fantasy land is Clemson basketball even remotely a threat to Clemson football in any way, shape of form.
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CU Guru [1569]
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Re: Here is the difference between you and me.
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You don't acknowledge and celebrate the success. You try to find ways to make backhanded compliments against the football team because you're mad that people don't support basketball as much as they do football.
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Orange Blooded [2298]
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I'll be happy to acknowledge some basketball success when Brownell produces a championship (extremely unlikely) and stops losing to huge underdogs in critical games.
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Orange Phenom [14322]
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Re: You claim to be a Clemson fan, but feel the need to bash our basketball program.
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Pot. Kettle. Black. You make some valid points at times. It’s the Dabo bashing that’s killing you man. Yes. We were 0-3 last year against ESecPN teams. But Dabo is the most successful coach over his tenure against ESecPan teams of ANY coach in football. He’s the second most successful coach behind Saban. Your argument is a bit of a red herring mixed with straw man. From a logical philosophy standpoint. In fact, the last three years were at a better win % than the start of the third best decade in college football history. Just a fact.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98894]
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it's all good, cheers.***
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LOL...do you REALLY want to compare the resumes of Brad and Dabo?
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I didn't think so!
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CU Guru [1569]
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Re: Absolutely correct.
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The basketball team also had three losses out of conference to Boise state, memphis, and South Carolina.
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Athletic Dir [1192]
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And McNeese St.... let's not forget the second worst half in Clemson BB history.
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Associate AD [1099]
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Mar 26, 2025, 9:16 AM
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Show me any trophies from any CU basketball coach. CBB has accomplished as much as any previous coach. It'd be a big task to get a Calipari to come here. He has to win one more game to match what we did last year. If you can't appreciate what CBB has done in the last few yrs, you'll never appreciate any coach.
Serious question. If CBB had Duke's players here, where would we be now?
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That you Judge 🤣
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I made a mistake in that I drank the Koolaid this year. I won't make that mistake again. Dabo was hired and given his raise to win/ because he won championships. We have a baseball coach that was hired to win championships. Brownell was not. He was hired to maintain the status quo and to have teams that are competitive. He has done that, but if we want championships Clemson has to do what it takes to improve the entire program, including hiring a championship caliber coach.
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Tiger Spirit [10078]
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The only way we will know the answer to your serious question
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is if CBB out recruits Duke in the future and we actually have equal or better players. No coach gets elite players handed to them. The coach must recruit them.
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If you fail to gameplan, adjust in game, motivate, and manage timeouts and momentum appropriately, better talent will lose out to lesser talent in hoops. Dabo competed in four and won two national championships with recruiting averages not even inside the top 10 in the country, yet he wiped the floor. Excellent coaches, championship coaches - they churn out a whole greater than the sum of its parts. I am not convinced Brad would win championships simply having the greatest collection of talent.
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Clemson won the 1939 Southern Conference basketball championship. There's one. The only problem with your argument about no Clemson coach producing an ACC/NCAA/NIT championship is that Brownell has been given more time than any other coach to produce. It's painfully obvious to most people that Brownell is never going to win a championship. So there is no reason to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. If you believe Brownell will win the ACCT, please tell me one of two things - (1) which year, or (2) how many more years are you willing to give Brownell to do so?
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This talk could go on forever but the bottom line is Coach Brownell is our coach, is a very well respected coach, and his teams have won more games than any other coach in Clemson history. Case closed.
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Clemson Icon [25327]
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Mar 26, 2025, 11:42 AM
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You tell em Valley coot!!
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CU Guru [1569]
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The same could be said for Dabo, which is the point. There is one poster who decided to turn this into a Dabo versus Brownell/football versus basketball argument. One poster is the root cause of this.
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Orange Phenom [15055]
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Re: ACC
Mar 26, 2025, 10:08 AM
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Stop it. NO comparison between Dabo's performance in post season against other conferences to BrownL's.
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Orange Phenom [15055]
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Plus Dabo doesn't lose to the McNeese and Moreheads (2023 when CU was the No. 1 seed in the NIT)
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Associate AD [1099]
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Mar 26, 2025, 10:42 AM
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Lost to a 9-4 Louisville team at home. That's on par with the McNeese loss.
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CU Guru [1569]
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No it's not. The McNeese game was a tournament game. The Louisville loss is a regular season game that didn't prohibit the team from getting to the playoffs or winning the conference.
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Clemson Icon [25327]
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Thanks Judge!
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It’s mentioned constantly that the ACC is terrible. Like non-stop regarding football. Is there a difference in winning 9 championships in 16 seasons and winning 0 in 15. Let me know.
During Dabo’s tenure only Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and Florida State have managed to win an ACC title besides Clemson. GT and FSU have strong CFB histories having won national titles and VT is certainly a serious football program despite recent struggles.
During Brownell’s tenure Miami (less NCAA appearances, less weeks ranked , all-time losing record to Clemson), Virginia Tech (less NCAA appearances, less weeks ranked), and GT (all time losing record to Clemson) have all won championships.
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Mar 26, 2025, 11:36 AM
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Oldfool57 🤣
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Mar 26, 2025, 12:05 PM
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Anyone fooled by the fact that JK is the same poster as the original idiot poster? How many handles does he have?
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