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Tiger Titan [47031]
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Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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Jan 17, 2025, 7:51 AM
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Saw in the news this morning that CofC had a fraternity shut down due to hazing.
I have never understood why this happens or why young dudes put themselves through that. I didn't join a fraternity exactly for that reason. Or, as someone once said on this board many, many years ago, you can get drunk and make friends and laid in college without paying monthly dues.
I don't get why anyone would subject themselves to an elephant walk or getting dangled over a bridge and then dropped to your death.
So for you former frat bros who let your "brothers" whom you'll never speak to ever again diddle your ########, what was the point? Why do they do it? And don't give us the "derp derp Clemson frats don't haze." Yeah, ya did.
Or maybe some Citadel dudes like Crass can give some insight. Crass, what was your favorite part of all that ### play? Did it strengthen the bonds of brotherhood?
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BOAISY***
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Re: BOAISY***
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:01 AM
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Get ready for the paddle, pledge!
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both sides, amirite?***
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:09 AM
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THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER??
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Jan 17, 2025, 9:06 AM
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TigerNet HOFer [128919]
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Builds comradery in pledge classes
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Jan 17, 2025, 7:56 AM
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Vast majority do not haze to extreme levels
There are exceptions in this like anything else
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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Explain how hazing builds camaraderie
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:03 AM
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I build camaraderie with bros over beers and stories and football.
What's the point?
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Re: Explain how hazing builds camaraderie
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You ever been through something tough or challenging with a small group? Adversity has a funny way of bringing out the best in people and forging strong bonds with the people you do it with. Fraternity pledge season was 6 months. Surgery residency was 5 years of it, I’m sure most careers have a “buy in” time similar to that. My best friends to this day are still my pledge brothers and the 5 people I started residency with.
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Re: Explain how hazing builds camaraderie
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:11 AM
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You ever been through something tough or challenging with a small group?
Yes, many times. No hazing, though. I don't see how coming together over a setback in life equates to forced weird #### with dudes.
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Re: Explain how hazing builds camaraderie
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Jan 17, 2025, 2:05 PM
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Not only did I never do any “gay stuff” with pledge season, I never heard of anyone having to do that. I’m pretty sure it’s mostly urban legend.
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Game Day Hero [4588]
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If gay stuff is hazing consider me ...
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Jan 17, 2025, 10:10 AM
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What was the funniest thing you did? I had a dude in the dorm who said he got blind folded and led to a bathroom, where he knelt by the toilet. They had him squeeze a banana in the toilet bowl. He thought it was ####. not too bad and pretty funny.
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So Cata, were you never a member of a HS sports team?
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:03 AM
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Youd have the answer to your OP if you were
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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Yes, and that's a silly deflect
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:07 AM
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That is not a common occurrence on high school teams.
C'mon, man. Help me understand how you bonded with your brothers over that ### play. Did they use a shampoo bottle or something wider? Help me understand how you make friends this way.
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Re: Yes, and that's a silly deflect
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:08 AM
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Did you do two-a-days in the summer? 100 yard bear crawls or other PT? It’s the same idea.
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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Oh, so conditioning and getting in shape is akin to hazing? Interesting.***
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Re: Yes, and that's a silly deflect
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:10 AM
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Yes you did play HS team sports or Yes, I confirm I did not play?
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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Yes, I played. That's irrelevant to the topic.***
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:13 AM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98704]
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But like in sports, there was some mild hazing in hs football
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:17 AM
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There was slightly more hazing in college rugby. None of it took away my buttvirginity.
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TigerNet HOFer [128919]
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Try thinking, Cata, and not being so stubborn
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:16 AM
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Hazing rituals grow comraderie as groups of individuals learn together to deal with adverse situations. It bonds individuals.
All during this past football season, 8 of my pledge brothers and i keep a group text going dicussing game action, recruiting, voach search, etc. we are scattered all over the country but remain friends for life
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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Don't get butthurt like you did during hazing
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:25 AM
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And for the love of Gawd, Bengal, spell camaraderie correctly.
I have bonded and formed very close relationships with people without hazing. So tell me why it's necessary. That's my question.
Let's be real... it's really just about dudes with weird fantasies wanting to do stuff to people they think they have power over. Y'all just don't wanna admit it out loud or to yourselves.
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Campus Hero [13776]
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I mean Cata, people are trying to explain to you
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:55 AM
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the answer to your question. You may not agree with them, but then you deflect with a broad brush generalization about suppressed neurosis?
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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Fair point
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:56 AM
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I think they're also misinterpreting that I'm talking about things like "go get me a beer because you're a pledge" when I'm really talking about "go stick this beer up your ### because we're building brotherhood". That's the stuff I don't get; the kind of stuff that gets them shut down.
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Tiger Spirit [9256]
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THe lack of clear definitions is a big problem in the discussion (not your fault
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Jan 17, 2025, 9:00 AM
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Many colleges do treat "drive me home" or "go get me a beer" as full fledged hazing.
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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I thought I made it clear, but maybe I didn't so I will.
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Jan 17, 2025, 9:04 AM
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I'm not talking about making new members fetch beer or making them drive them to parties. I'm talking about the kind of stuff that gets them shut down.
And based on the over reactions like Bengal and Elwyn, I'm pretty sure now they engaged in the kind of stuff that gets em shut down.
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Campus Hero [13776]
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get ya
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Jan 17, 2025, 9:08 AM
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true, have heard some horror stories for sure and with you on that point.
but as your referenced some things designated as hazing currently you probably would consider hazing. Things like having to dress up (coat and tie) for meetings. Being assigned as a driver for the rest of the fraternity on weekends etc (ok is a sacrifice, but something they can take advantage of later)
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No, I wouldn't consider those things hazing.***
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Re: Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:07 AM
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On a basic level- the same reason militaries have boot camps and clubs have initiations. Creates a comradery and common bond with members.
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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Looking for specifics, guys
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:09 AM
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Made a lot of close friends over these years without doing that but clearly there's a special bond with a soggy biscuit session that I don't get. How'd it make you closer with those dudes in ways it didn't with your neighbor down the street.
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Re: Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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I'm sure it would fall under the definition of hazing, but not to the extent you are referring. What we did (and were put through) was more of a humbling experience. Parking cars in the residential lots for the upper classmen (regardless of the hour), getting them seconds in Harcombe, running "Dan's duty" if anyone wanted to send us to the store, etc. We weren't beaten and I never had anything dangled above me or by me.
The fraternities that take it to extremes are definitely in the wrong and should be punished. The total disregard for the pledges safety and welfare goes against everything that a brotherhood would stand for.
I was a pledge and member in the late 70's early 80"s and I remain in contact with a lot of my fraternity brothers to this day. One of whom is a frequent poster on these boards (Spud).
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Re: Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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I have some college friends I still keep in touch with on a daily basis despite how far away we are. In two months, we'll get together for a yearly golf trip. We have a lot of amazing stories, shared hard times, and great memories over these nearly 30 years. Never had to do the hazing thing.
Seems y'all could have skipped a few steps and arrived at the same place.
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Re: Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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All I can say is good on ya Cat.
Please don't infer that these are the only friends I've had over my 40+ years since I was at dear ole CU. And among those friends, none have ever had to pass any hazing ritual to be a member of my circle.
And that semester of pledging was such a small part of my fraternity experience that I had to really think back for the examples of my reply.
When it comes to sharing stories, good and bad times and memories being in a fraternity is just another way. And those guys weren't the only friends I had (have) from my years at Clemson.
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Re: Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:35 AM
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Please don't infer that these are the only friends I've had over my 40+ years since I was at dear ole CU. And among those friends, none have ever had to pass any hazing ritual to be a member of my circle.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't.
Here's my point: It seems the hazing (and I'm mainly talking about the dangerous or weird sex stuff) is has more sinister intentions that are wrapped up in fake packages of "brotherhood". It's possible to form those strong bonds with other dudes without going through any of that.
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:43 AM
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And my point was that you can actually form a brotherhood without going through all that.
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Im beginning to believe you have no friends
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:29 AM
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Or are you always this ####### stubborn.
You read about rare extreme physical hazing and thinks its all that way.
Its not, most is mental and INTENTIONALLY focusef to build comraderie.
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Yeah, you caught me. I don't. Maybe I should sign up for a club...
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:33 AM
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Where dudes can put things up my butt so we can build more comaraadoarabouwerie.
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Im guessing YOU HAD TO build a garage bar
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Jan 17, 2025, 8:37 AM
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To get ANYONE to come over…..
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Re: Im guessing YOU HAD TO build a garage bar
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Re: Im guessing YOU HAD TO build a garage bar
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Good one!
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Re: Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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Re: Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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Re: Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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I'm learning lots and lots today. Things like to build comradery
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means slightly older people get to behave like total ######### to slightly younger people to be part of something that may or may not matter within 5 years of it happening.
Side note 25 year ago or so I felt like Central Spirit having to blow up balloons on Saturday mornings was hazing. Mostly because I was mad y'all had to stop howling at the moon with me a bit early those Friday nights.
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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See, here's a great example
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Aero was my bro in college. I think the only hazing we did was see who could get the dumbest with a bottle of Jack.
Nobody made him take his clothes off at parties. He did that willingly.
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That jenga block worked at least 3 times to get some nice ladies
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down to their undies.
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Waitaminute. I know for a fact that Aero wasnt writing for The Tiger,
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So the only option left for you two to interact was yourass being glued to a stool for 8 hours a day at upstairs Tigertown. I didn’t know that about you.
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Tiger Titan [47031]
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I'm sorry, have I not made it clear here...
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That was an absolute drinking degenerate then and now??!!?..............
.................and it was usually just downstairs. I didn't get into the upstairs scene until after graduation.
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Now you just wait a minute. We drank at the summit apartments, TD's,
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Backstreets, and Overtime for one glorious summer. I was in my 20s really more 30s before I started parking at Up Stairs for 12-14 hours at a time.
I'll have you now I had finger prints on at LEAST two The Tiger articles. One about Mardi Gras and the other that reviewed one of the Final Destination movies as both a horror and a comedy.
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Weren't you in TTT with me when Big Nate got shot?***
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Nah, I maybe had been but left. Really didn't go in there too much
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except a few time when Tim was a bouncer. If Big Nate isn't the cop that let some chick handle his side arm I'm not sure I even recall this event.
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Yeah, that was him
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It was either a Wednesday or a Thursday (I was there both nights that week so I dunno).
He was over by video games and back pool table when she grabbed the gun. I was near the front entrance. Didn't even hear the shot but saw them carry him out.
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What year was this?
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Jan 17, 2025, 2:15 PM
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They were under the arch going from the "old" part to the "new" part.
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Late April of 2000... maybe early May
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Chick who shot him was just about to graduate. Instead got slapped with big ole assault with intent to kill on an officer charge.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [104426]
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Ask any Marine over 40yo.
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It builds comroderie, work ethic, loyalty, sacrifice, unity, etc. The military and fraternities both seek the same qualities and both work similarly to attain those qualities using similar methods.
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Re: Ask any Marine over 40yo.
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See, one of those things needs those qualities, the other is based on
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rich boys who went to college to not have to get shot at. They don't need it.
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Re: See, one of those things needs those qualities, the other is based on
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Ever meet an unemployed or homeless Citadel grad? (old corps)
They look out for their own. It's a fraternity of marines, citadel grads, and frat brothers. Those are common connections that carry through life. Everyone shared the experience.
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Hey I only know like 1 or 2 employed Citadel grads, so there is that.***
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Is Crass employed or is he just independently wealthy ?
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last I heard he owned his own bidness
what say CaptCrash
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Re: Ask any Marine over 40yo.
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The military and fraternities both seek the same qualities and both work similarly to attain those qualities using similar methods.
I sure hope to sweet baby Jesus that our military isn't trying to attain the levels of the frat boys I knew in college.
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Re: Ask any Marine over 40yo.
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Re: Someone help me understand the point of fraternity hazing
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Depends on what the hazing is. If it's something dangerous that can get you killed or some kind of weird sex stuff then that's a problem, but if you're not willing to do something a little embarrassing or have beers thrown on you to be part of the club then we probably don't need you.
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That's what I'm talking about
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That dangerous or weird butt stuff and all that.
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Re: That's what I'm talking about
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Oh yeah f that. We had some hazing in Rugby, but nobody was putting anything in anyone's butt. Most of it was about tradition and brings out some laughs when we get together as olds.
We beat the #### out of each other, but we just called that practice.
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Cata seems to like to talk about buttstuff***
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We should get Crump to start a new board for it. Just me and you there
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Talking butt stuff. Building commmieraderpery.
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It's not a fraternity thing. I mean it is, but it happens in all kinds of groups
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including sports teams, the military, workplace, even church groups, scouts, clubs, etc.
Fraternities it's just much worse because there are no adults and lots of alcohol/poor decisions.
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Was in the Boy Scouts in the early 80s
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this was true. Some of it is harmless like taking new scouts on "snipe" hunts. There's some harsher things like OA initiation. But agreed, no alcohol and only a wee bit of #######
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I'd guess it is universal human thing, across cultures and time. Joining the
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I was not in a fraternity at Clemson, but when we had house parties in D Square
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We put the D in D Square***
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Remember the two parties Brandon Streeter threw there?
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First one was the riot, second one was controlled debauchery. Good times.
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I recall them happening but wasn't around.***
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That was pre-Greenr and was talked about for YEARS. Every big party
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got compared to those, IIRC and apparently they were never as good.
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Re: That was pre-Greenr and was talked about for YEARS. Every big party
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The second one was really cool; this weird truce between the party throwers and the police. It was roped off and the cops just stood watch to make sure it didn't get stupid. Undercover SLED agents tried to mingle in the crowd to bust underage kids, but they were all in their 30s, wore brand new baseball caps, windbreakers, and khaki pants with collared shirts tucked in.
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32, from 2002 to 2005 pretty much, but my buddy owned the place from 2000-2006
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and we partied there alot.
I moved out there second semester sophomore year and moved out when I got married in 2005 in grad school but by then it had chilled out. We got the cops called on us in '04 or so for being too loud the night before a South Carolina game. That is when we knew the dream had ended.
I believe DGUARCHITECT hung out there a good bit in the 2000ish range as well. If you were in the apartments in the back, we went back there some but mostly hung with guys in the front apartments.
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OR as slow
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and methodical
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I joined Alpha Phi Omega, a national service fraternity
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There was no hazing of pledges other than the standard interview questions:
"Are you an athletic supporter?"
Correct answer: "Yes, I won't let you down."
"If Jack helped you off a horse, would you help Jack off a horse?"
Correct answer: "Until he's finished."
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human nature to bust newbies up a bit to join a "club"
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I was not a frat nor had anything to do with them, so no opinion there.
Evey "club" worth their salt has some sort of initiation, from Augusta National to an outlaw biker gang. Sometimes it's money, sometimes it's a tattoo, sometimes it's a pound of flesh.
As someone mentioned, this is as old as time itself. Even monkeys and birds and other animals have some form of it. You should see my chickens "initiate" a new member to its flock. It's brutal. Sometimes they don't make it.
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Re: human nature to bust newbies up a bit to join a "club"
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I'd pay money to watch a good chicken elephant walk.
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the term "pecking order" came from chickens
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they fight each other until one emerges as the dominant one in the flock. Then 2nd in line, 3rd, etc.
The poor bottom gets picked on by all the others.
Adding a new one, it gets brutalized until his/her place in line is settled.
Humans follow something similar, it's just a natural order.
https://www.fresheggsdaily.blog/2018/04/pecking-order-is-real-thing-in-chicken.html
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Not a frat guy either, but this seems like a really
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Passive-aggressive way to vent some disdain for fraternities.
If you really want to”someone to help you understand”, I’d try asking without the “you guys are effing idiots” add-ons. Because you really can’t be that judgmental about something you admit to having no understanding of.
Conversely, if you just want to insult everyone who was in a fraternity, just come out a spew it without the “I’m just asking questions” Columbo shtick. Just noticing people trying to give you replies in earnest, and you just keeping up the “here’s why I made smarter decisions than you” routine. Could save everyone a lot of time.
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Ooo, lemme slide onto Obed's psychiatrist's couch
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I could have broadened my criteria, but I narrowed it to fraternities based on the news article I saw, and I feel I made it pretty clear I was talking about the really extreme stuff. What followed was a few butthurt guys who thought I was talking about making people fetch them beers and ####. That's not what I'm talking about.
I didn't call anyone an idiot but I did point out that Bengaline can't spell.
Conversely, if you just want to insult everyone who was in a fraternity, just come out a spew it without the “I’m just asking questions” Columbo shtick.
I'm not gonna say out loud that you have a regular habit of overreading into posts, buuuuuttttt...
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Have you considered some butthurt guys like being butthurt?
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Literally or figuratively?
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Hmm..
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You completely misread my post and say I said things I didn't and said I called everyone idiots... which I didn't.
And then pointing that out that you read too much into it is a deflection.
Okay!
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Today, I learned Cata was not hazed and misses it***
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What I'm really trying to say, gays... guys...
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Is that I'd like a Taggernet meat up where bengal can tickle my bum and call me Sally.
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Question...
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If the shampoo bottle is just a construct of the simulation (there is no spoon), is it really in your butt?
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I'm very pro
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pump shampoo bottles. keeps em from getting stuck/falling in
you gotta lot of infatuation with shoving shampoo bottles in people's ##### lol. I've never heard this until you brought it up hahaha. Guess y'all like it a little different down there in Mt. P
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I think you're over-reacting to an extreme
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clip and making generalizations.
Let's assume there's 1,000 universities in the US in our little exercise here. Then let's assume there's 15 fraternities. So 15,000 fraternities, give or take, throughout the country.
1 - 5 get popped for being morons?
This is your typical rage bait, simulation-esque type post where you "know" every fraternity has elephant walks and gets dangled over a bridge, lol. Didn't, doesn't happen.
Most pledge hazing has to do with taking care of the house, cleaning, driving older brothers, understanding certain traditions / historical references of the fraternity, etc. If someone "##### up" i.e. - misses a work party, then we all got in a room and did wall sits, or ate dip dogs, or had to finish a handle of evan williams (which was stupid).
Nothing ever crossed the line in any fraternities that I'm aware of at GA Tech.
I have a lot of connections to the Sigma Nu kid who passed away in Clemson. There's a lot more to that story than fraternity hazing.
So "derp derp most frats don't haze to the level of your post here"...sorry
The problem is, typically, you get a bunch of silver spoon rich kids who try to impose their power over the younger cats. I took a lot of pride in correcting that behavior. Told my brothers multiple times if you hit a pledge, then you can hit me. Absolutely unacceptable.
And acting like you didn't get "hazed" in football...mk. Who set up the practice field? Who set up the pre-game meals? Who loaded the bus? Who cleaned up locker room?
That's hazing.
Hell...watch Hard Knocks. All the rookies have to get up and sing. Hazing. Rookies buying team dinner? Hazing.
New hires at my consulting group taking our mentors out for lunch? Hazing.
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It aint always the "Rich Kids"***
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I mean, most kids in my fraternity were "rich kids"
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so sure, I generalized there.
one of my best friends to this day...threw a full beer can at a pledge when they were doing line ups
I threw his ### down a flight of stairs in front of everyone. Absolute ########### behavior.
Not big on imposing force on someone you know can't hit you back. That's for #######.
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I agree with laying the hammer on alcohol stuff
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that's how kids flatline. Gotta be smarter than that.
Like those Tenner Pikes who were buttchugging bourbon? God that was so stupid.
The AGR suspension seems a little rough. Should've been handled in house, but whatever. They were in trouble back when I was in school too.
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Let's take a moment on that Tucker Hipps case
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Obviously, this is the kind of #### I'm talking about. Not fetching beers. Anyone who compared that in this thread is silly.
How often does stuff like Tucker Hipps happen without a fatality? That's the problem. Why does THAT have to happen for "brotherhood".
Then lets look at how it went down. Did those "brothers" contact police or EMS to try to save him right away? No, they immediately circled the wagons, called up their daddies, and secured legal protection before alerting authorities.
Is that the majority of fraternities? Probably not. I hope not. But what if it is?
And when I see cases like that, brotherhood my ###. I would have never dangled Aero over a bridge in college and I certainly would have called for help right away if something bad happened to him.
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Speaking of sports hazing, Greenr got out easy with this one little trick
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In both baseball and football in HS, Greenr got moved from JV to Varsity in the middle of my Sophmore season. Football because I was a longsnapper and the Varsity got tore his ACL then baseball because they took 3 sophmores to the playoffs after the regular season was over.
THEN, when Varsity started my Junior year in both sports, they just assumed I had already been hazed the previous year because I had already been on the team. I wasn't going to correct them, so I successfully avoided anything nefarious/demeaning/painful.
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Sounds like you and cata still need to be initiated. Vomit fest haze-in?***
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Greenrs like
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“Sh## I wish I’d written that originally. “
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Greenr was no baller but he was in the right place at the right time with the
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In baseball, I was ALMOST a baller.
In football, I was the backup to a baller so I got alot of PT because he started on Offense and Defense. He went on to play college football at Wingate which was kinda cool.
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I had a guy come up behind me in the locker room one time and sucker
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punch me after C team football practice in 8th grade. Fortunately he didn't knock me out and by the time I could react my friend had him so I could smash his head in the locker repeatedly. We took it way too far. Lots of threats of lawsuits from his parents and had to have a meeting with the school district, but I wasn't much of a target after that. He was though, I'd turn his backpack inside out and hide it in the ceiling, push him down the stairs, etc. until he switched schools in 10th grade.
If I could remember his last name I'd be tempted to look him up and start fugging with him all over again. I am a top tier grudge holder.
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Re: I had a guy come up behind me in the locker room one time and sucker
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You said...
I think you're overreacting to an extreme clip and making generalizations.
Then say...
The problem is, typically, you get a bunch of silver spoon rich kids who try to impose their power over the younger cats.
Generalizations, huh.
Anyway...
This is another misread of the post. I didn't say most and I think I'm making it pretty clear I'm talking about the extreme activity that gets a frat banned. I'm not talking about fetching beers and I'm not talking about rookies or freshmen fetching stuff for senior players.
New hires at my consulting group taking our mentors out for lunch? Hazing.
This is another silly deflection, and many of you are trying to derail the point: Nowhere did I even hint at stuff like this being hazing.
Sorry, folks. Read it again.
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As a journalist, at what point do you pause and think
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“If this many reasonably well-educated people are ‘misreading’ my post, perhaps it’s my post and not their reading comprehension that is at fault?”
Try re-writing it to better convey your feelings and then let’s try again.
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Re: As a journalist, at what point do you pause and think
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Well, I dunno... when I state in the post I'm talking about extreme examples and people respond with "Erhmergerd you're hating on me cause I made pledges get me a beer!", and then I've clarified it multiple times in the thread that I'm not referring to stuff like that, perhaps I've run out of solutions on how to convey the message.
Maybe I also know a smart person is potentially intentionally misreading the post so he can lay down daddy lectures like he's so fond of doing.
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I think dawg nailed it
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You woke up a little groggy and made a lunge post in full P&R mode.
I’m going to overlook it, but you disappointed me son.
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I'll run them by you first next time.***
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but it is hazing, lol
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that's the entire point.
stop focusing more on the gotcha, and focus more on the subject.
you're off base here. explaining what is going on isn't deflecting, it's proving your over reaction and hyper generalization of a topic you clearly know nothing about.
and yes, I did generalize, based on experience. not reading a headline and assuming the entire greek system in America is holding each other's caulks or hanging them off bridges...lol
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but I couldn't get over how out of place I was. I was a country boy from a working class family, earned my way to the university via academic scholarship, etc. My mom sent me $50 every two weeks and I was otherwise on my own, so I couldn't even justify the fees/dues. I would have probably been the only CofC frat boy waiting tables to pay my power bill lol.
After a short time I realized I had next to nothing in common with these Doctor's and Judge's sons and came to the conclusion that it didn't make sense for me. So I became an antisocial alcoholic all on my own.
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you guys that went to CofC
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good lort...so much high scale puddin walkin round down there, you have no idea how good you had it.
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Re: you guys that went to CofC
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I almost went to CoC purely for this reason.
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I've always thought that if Greenr went to CofC, he would certainly have
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a crippling drug addiction and no college degree. My brother went there and walked away with a degree and a drug habit.
Daughter is interested in going there and I'm 50/50 on it, mainly because Charleston is out of state, expensive, and she aint old SC money, but it's a good school and she would probably love it. Plus they have beach volleyball which is currently her obsession.
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The drug addiction came a few years AFTER i got out of
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school. Your daughter will be fine
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Yeah, college is for figuring out what kind of drugs you like, not for getting
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addicted to them. That comes later after you start working a real job and have some disposable income.
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I've never really understood the whole franternity pledge/hazing thing and
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why guys would go through that stuff just to be in a social group. Obviously I was a GDI at Clemson as was the majority of the student body when I was there. Secondly I was on a tight budget going to college - paying dues to a fraternity was an unnecessary expense.
Some folks think the military "hazes" in basic training and other training schools. There is a world of difference between stupid "hazing" (which is strictly forbidden in the military) and a deliberate process to instill discipline, attention to detail, physical conditioning, teamwork and confidence building. The stuff we do in the military is purpose driven towards a current/future military imperative. Getting civilians to quickly adapt to the necessary military culture, with it's strict discipline/rules, adherence to a chain of command and value system requires a sustained deliberative process that is nowhere in the same ball park as a social fraternity initiation.
Now there are units that have some rites of passage like the Airborne "prop blast" and the Cavalry "spur ride". I was never in the Cav but am a Prop Blasted member of the Airborne. A few of the prop blasts and spur rides got out of control (became sadistic exercises of personal humiliation) and as a result the Army really clamped down on those events. For a while these events were forbidden so I'm not sure if they still exist. If those events were done right (as my prop blast) - there was a lot of physical and mental challenges but the overall purpose of the prop blast and spur ride was never humiliation but an immersive experience relating the physical activities to the unit's history and established standards that we were all expected to meet.
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Re: I've never really understood the whole franternity pledge/hazing thing and
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I think some dudes do it because it supposedly makes it easier to get chicks. Most of the hot chicks are in sororities. Maybe it's just as easy not being in one. I definitely have more respect for those dudes that pulled it all off and weren't in one. I was in in one, and in hindsight with what I know now and who I am, I would have never done one. I missed out on meeting a lot of other cool people and my world could have been a lot broader without it. I do have some great friends though due to being in one. That might have happened anyway though.
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Re: I've never really understood the whole franternity pledge/hazing thing and
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You say you don’t understand pledge season, then go on for two paragraphs to explain exactly how well you understand “pledge season” for the military and why it is done.
You go through it with your brothers, and you know that everyone who went before you did the same thing. It’s a brotherhood. After you’re in, dues were just pooling of resources. How many times did yall geeds get together enough people to pitch in to bring a band to Clemson for a huge party? Or buy a house? Or rent out hotels at the beach for formal weekends? Pooling of resources for a social club.
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Re: I've never really understood the whole franternity pledge/hazing thing and
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It sounds like a Motorcycle Gang.
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Re: LOL "Geeds"?
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Your jimmies have been maximally rustled today duder
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I didn't say that at all... I said I don't understand why someone would go
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through the fraternity pledge stuff where the result of such is to become a member of a particular social club. One goes through the fraternity pledge season to make friends and join in that group's social activities.
While at Clemson, I had plenty of friends and social activities without needing to be a member of a fraternity - pretty much from day 1 on campus. Ergo - not understanding why some folks felt the drive to do the fraternity thing.
If you want to say that your fraternity pledge experience gave you a common bond of fellowship with your fraternity bro's (a special type of fraternity "brotherhood") - fair enough. But I would argue that the fraternity brotherhood you feel is a lot different than the military warrior brotherhood - particularly the combat vet brotherhood.
As opposed to the desire to be in a social fraternity and endure that process, I do understand why people submit themselves to military training - which is decidedly NOT in the realm, purpose, or the ultimate result of that for a fraternity pledge.
In the military - our training and process is much more than just going through what those who went before did to produce a warrior bond. Sure - that is a nice tangential benefit of the military training/process - but that is not the focus or reason for the training. The purpose of our training is to create the skills required to survive on the battlefield and win our nations wars. The result of our training is not to be socially accepted into a group but to have the skills to perform and survive in combat. It has very little, if anything, in common with fraternity brotherhood or fraternity style camaraderie.
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What a geed.***
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It's akin to seching in but without the...
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wait, no, it's just like the lunge's seching in ritual. While I kicked and screamed I realized lungers like violent sech.
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doooshbags
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will dooosh
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Man, that was a lot of TU's
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I got tired or reading, but just TU's took forever.
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