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Youtube is trash. Now censoring RFK Jr videos, or videos
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about him. Election interference once again.
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you planning to vote for a socialist?***
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I wouldn’t vote for him, and I think he’s wrong on quite a
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Jun 20, 2023, 12:34 PM
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Lot, but he’s willing to attempt to back up his (some more controversial than others) opinions in a reasonably articulate manner.
Censoring him is a complete ch!ckenshit move.
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is a private company required to provide a platform to
Jun 20, 2023, 12:50 PM
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politicians?
actually, that's a bad question since the law says no. A better question is, should our longstanding First Amendment jurisprudence be changed to require private entities to provide a platform to others to espouse their views?
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Lot o points [156093]
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Read again.
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Jun 20, 2023, 12:56 PM
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I said it was ch!ckenshit, not illegal. If they think his ideas are false and dangerous, sunshine remains our best disinfectant. It’s no coincidence that conspiracy theories and theorists have blossomed around the same timeframe that media and large tech corporations began presuming it was their job to only disseminate what they thought was ok for us to hear.
Let the dude speak and if he’s wrong, his ideas will be proven wrong publicly.
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what if YouTube is sued for
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Jun 20, 2023, 1:01 PM
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defamation or for if someone watches a youtube video and overdoses on ivermectin or some other wackadooddle anti-vax faux covid theory and youtube gets sued? why should youtube take such risks? also, what if youtube loses views/subscribers to do the pervasive false content?
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Lot o points [156093]
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If he pushes ivermectin I’ve never heard it
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Jun 20, 2023, 1:09 PM
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And YouTube is mainly kids watching prank vids and gamer streaming replays. The number of users theyd gain or lose from a single fringe individual’s videos would be minuscule.
YouTube’s likely biggest worry, that you don’t mention, is “what if big pharma stops running consumer ads because we are featuring this guy?”. That’s economically savvy AND chicks sh!t, and it’s also why you’ll never get all sides of an argument on a platform like that.
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well that's another good reason. Alphabet has a duty to
Jun 20, 2023, 1:12 PM
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its shareholders
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Agreed, which is why we are back to
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Jun 20, 2023, 1:18 PM
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People being abnormally skeptical of big pharma, because they can and do buy their way into silencing dissenting opinions, whether they’re right or wrong. Most people’s assumptions are that people/entities don’t feel the need to silence information that’s demonstrably false.
Like him or not, it impresses me that Musk is willing to eat an ad-revenue crap sandwich if it keeps the free ideas flowing. This could all be handled quite effectively by tighter lobbying laws that will simply never happen.
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Musk conceding to Turkish Government censorship...
Jun 20, 2023, 4:53 PM
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undercuts his "free-speech absolutist" rhetoric, don't ya think?
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Nobody’s perfect***
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True, and a good reminder.***
Jun 20, 2023, 5:19 PM
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Re: True, and a good reminder.***
Jun 22, 2023, 1:47 AM
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Do you think it’s a good thing for any Biden political opponent to be censored? If so, then why?
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Re: what if YouTube is sued for
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Jun 20, 2023, 1:24 PM
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Overdose on Ivermectin? Lol. You got to work really hard to do that. Much easier and more dangerous to take too much Tylenol.
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Not if it's the dose for horses which some were doing
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because they believed in the internet theory that it worked more than what doctors/experts were telling them. That's why some see it as dangerous to allow some of this type of misinformation on platforms without addressing it.
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Re: Not if it's the dose for horses which some were doing
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It was dangerous to put out information on Ivermectin because if an alternative treatment was found the whole emergency vaccine gig would fall apart and billions would be lost. Now if someone took a horse dose well, you can’t fix stupid. No more than you can’t tell people don’t take 10 Tylenol per day.
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No, it was dangerous putting that information out b/c...
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it can lead to people not understanding and thinking they can take horse ivermectin because their doctors aren't giving it to them for covid because they(doctors) know it doesn't work, but these people are believing the conspiracy theories possibly out of stupidity like you mention or possibly out of fear.
That's why addressing it is important.
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Re: No, it was dangerous putting that information out b/c...
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They (doctors) no it doesn’t work. Not true at all.
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Re: No, it was dangerous putting that information out b/c...
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“It competed against the interests of big pharma”. You are absolutely correct. That’s why they fought the use of Ivermectin so aggressively. I seriously wonder how anyone would be unable to see that. It’s why they worked so hard along with government and media to label it “horse medicine”.
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ah, didn't realize you coming from a believer point of view
Jun 20, 2023, 7:51 PM
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I'll leave you to it.
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Re: ah, didn't realize you coming from a believer point of view
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Believer and a medical background
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"believer and unspecified medical background"
Jun 20, 2023, 8:55 PM
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that clearly isn't "doctor" or "researcher" or "scientist" because you would have said that. But, again, I didn't realize that's where you were coming from on this issue so I'll leave you to it.
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Re: "believer and unspecified medical background"
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Ok leave me to it and I feel no need to justify my background to you. Let’s just leave it at that as you say.
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Re: Not if it's the dose for horses which some were doing
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Who started falsely calling one of the world's wonder drugs nothing more than horse medicine? It certainly wasn't doctors. It was the G D msm shilling for drug companies that needed billions to prop up their failing businesses
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Re: Not if it's the dose for horses which some were doing
Jun 22, 2023, 1:49 AM
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Amen and ditto.
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Conspiracy theorists blossomed from the lack of gatekeeping
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with the rise of the internet and especially social media, the old ways of having editors and publishers gatekeeping what kind of information is disseminated were gone. This has had bad and good consequences, but in the case of creating and spreading conspiracy theories, it most certainly has been negative.
It's actually the opposite of what you are arguing.
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It is the opposite
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And thus, why I completely disagree.
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Do you think more unfiltered speech = conspiracy theories?***
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“Platform”***
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anywhere***
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Re: anywhere***
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I want my question answered first
Jun 20, 2023, 5:34 PM
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(is tigernet a platform? They have rules too, most sites do. Most private businesses do and have a right to that under the first amendment (at least when it comes to government intervention)
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Re: I want my question answered first
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Sorry for not being clearer...
Jun 20, 2023, 5:44 PM
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Do you think more unfiltered speech = conspiracy theories?
That's my question and it's really more directed toward Obed® because it was his argument.
As for yours, my answer about tigernet being a platform was my answer to your question. Those rules you mention are putting a "thumb on the scales" and it doesn't make them any less of a platform for speech. Even Musks's version of Twitter still has those things in place and in some cases worse than before (like Musk's reaction to Turkey wanting to censor Twitter vs the old Twitter reaction to Turkey wanting to censor Twitter). Still, in both cases, Twitter is still a "platform."
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Re: Sorry for not being clearer...
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Here's a good article on all that...
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/publisher-or-platform-it-doesnt-matter Publisher or Platform? It Doesn't Matter. “You have to choose: are you a platform or a publisher?”It’s the question that makes us pull out our hair and roll our eyes. It’s the question that makes us want to shout from the rooftops “IT DOESN’T MATTER. YOU DON’T HAVE TO CHOOSE”We’ll say it plainly here: there is no legal significance to...
Main takeaway:
"One of the primary purposes of Section 230 was to remove this disincentive and encourage online intermediaries to actively curate and edit their sites without being so penalized."
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Re: Here's a good article on all that...
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You brought up them not being protected under the law...
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Nothing about you being or not being tech savvy. It was in reference to your specific argument about section 230.
You can disagree with how they incorporate moderation on their platforms just as I disagree with how Musk has inconsistently allowed free speech on his platform (ex. Turkey). Likewise, We have the right to leave the platform if we don't like it and move to a competitor. On both ideological fronts, we see that occurring to varying degrees of success.
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Re: You brought up them not being protected under the law...
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Strong argument...
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So because Turkey is more corrupt than the US, it's okay that Musk gave up on his free speech absolutism. So, you're okay with censorship in this case because Turkey has MORE corruption than the US. So what the US needs to be is MORE corrupt and that will solve this pesky problem of content moderation.
Musk made the choice to help his bottom line. Money. Not free speech principles. It's clear as day hypocrisy. It's okay to criticize him sometimes, and in this case, it's warranted. What he's done with Tesla/SpaceX are amazing achievements, but that doesn't mean he's infallible. I feel like there's this idea on the right that they couldn't say whatever they wanted before but now they can because of Musk and so he has to be held up as some idol. It's bizarre.
Twitter is by one estimate, only worth 1/3 of what Musk overpaid for it. Twitter is most assuredly not making money and many of the bigger-name companies placing ads have left.
https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/twitter-is-now-worth-a-third-of-what-musk-paid-for-it-fidelity-says-e66f61db
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Re: Strong argument...
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He turns it around and he'll be applauded for sure...
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IF you were true to your principles regarding free speech, the reason you don't give in to Erdogan/Turkey's government during the election even if that means you go dark is that when the people of Turkey ask why they can't log into Twitter the answer is that their government forced Twitter to shut down because Twitter wouldn't let the government censor speech on the platform. That puts the government/Erdogan in a PR pickle in a supposed close election. Instead, Musk allows Erdogan/Government to control the narrative.
It's everything that the right says happened with Twitter/Tech companies and our election, but for real. That's the most interesting part of that whole situation.
But, I agree with you that Twitter/Musk will sort itself out eventually and we'll see.
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Re: He turns it around and he'll be applauded for sure...
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So, when you compare ("old") twitter to say, 4chan...
Jun 20, 2023, 6:59 PM
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which would you say carries more conspiracy theories (compared to the overall user base)?
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Strange question
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How would you know? Old Twitter moderated so many of them off the platform. That’s my point. They (conspiracy theories and theorists) get moderated into the far corners of the internet and the world at large because they’re verboten on the platform, and end up in single minded echo chambers.
On new Twitter they can be debated, discussed, disproven, mocked, you name it.
I’m not a Rogan fan, but I do think his approach to Kennedy, giving him air time to make his case and then trying to get a pro-vax proponent to debate him publicly, is a much better approach than just de-platforming the guy. Any other approach is treating adults like children, like they can’t handle the full spectrum of opinion, right or wrong.
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What's the difference in being moderated off the platform
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and being allowed on but mocked, disproven to the point they leave? Typically, moderation comes into play only after the conspiracy theory/theorist has already existed for a time and has either been disproven or reported by other users of the site.
If after being moderated off a platform and ending up on 4chan or wherever that's not mainstream, how are you saying that 1.)is a bad thing? and 2.)spreading/creating the conspiracy theory?
Conspiracy theorists like RFK have had their ideas mocked, debated and disproven for years, and yet it hasn't changed their behavior. Another example is Alex Jones. Giving him airtime on a major podcast only treats his ideas like they are on equal footing as more established and tested science. Pointing out the overwhelming evidence that wi-fi and 5g won't give you cancer or that there's not something in our water turning us gay/transgender or that the vaccine isn't dangerous (those are all topics that I believe both RFK and Alex Jones agree on, btw) isn't going to change those that believe it. The debate actually makes people dig in deeper as studies have shown. What value is there then to debating him?
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Re: What's the difference in being moderated off the platform
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It’s pretty simple.
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It’s about spread. If I’m a casual person going through life, reasonably gullible, do you want me encountering RFK’s positions on Twitter with ample counterpoints alongside every one of his posts, or on some echo chamber like 4 Chan, with limited to no counterpoints and the martyr’s street cred of claiming to be too truthful for Twitter to allow?
Q might have had much, much lower spread if so much of it hadn’t been so censored on Twitter.
I feel like this is some sort of debate team practice for you, where you have to argue an indefensible position just for fun. You can’t possibly think that censoring bad ideas makes bad ideas go away. It’s the same mindset that gave us prohibition.
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Holy Strawman....
Jun 20, 2023, 10:09 PM
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"You can’t possibly think that censoring bad ideas makes bad ideas go away."
The argument is about how the spread of conspiracy theories expanded, not that they suddenly appeared or that they ever go away.
Review of the arguments:
My argument is that the gatekeeping that was in place at newspapers/radio/tv largely disappeared with the introduction of the internet and social media. It allowed/forced the individual reading the information to be their own gatekeeper. The casual person doesn't have the time or training to vet every source they come upon as a journalist/editor might and it's why the phrase, "I've done my own research" is both celebrated and mocked.
Your argument is, "It's no coincidence that conspiracy theories and theorists have blossomed around the same timeframe that media and large tech corporations began presuming it was their job to only disseminate what they thought was ok for us to hear."
You are saying that it's the traditional gatekeeping of media and tech that has created conspiracy theories and I'm saying the opposite. Neither of us is saying that conspiracy theories don't exist or that fixing the problems in our argument makes conspiracy theories completely go away.
As for the rest of your post, If you can trust that you will only have the casual person encountering ONLY the positions of RFK on Twitter with counterpoints alongside every single post, then maybe that might work. But that's not how it works. His views often go unaddressed or are spread by others like a virus and eventually, some stop seeing it as a conspiracy and see it as a legitimate possibility. That's just how our brains work (it's why repetition is used in politics/advertising).
A big reason Q spread is that it was able to find its way onto Twitter which gave it legitimacy and mainstream appeal, but like you said, it started on 4chan where content moderation is limited which works towards my argument about gatekeeping/moderation.
I am trying to be more formal or debate-specific in my writing (but not to a high level) in order to try to keep from reading emotionally charged. I don't want to put things like strawman in what I'm saying. I'm trying to stay true to the argument.
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Logical inferences are not strawmen, nor do I have to resort
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To strawmen in this discussion. That’s a cliche—-you’ll notice I’m not yelling “strawman!!!” When you literally say below that I said moderation “created” conspiracy theories. You’re just wrong. I take what you say to their very logical conclusion and that’s what’s being discussed.
You’re literally saying that with moderation, conspiracy theories diminish (aka “go away”, even if not completely), and without them, on mainstream sites, they grow. I’m saying nope, because the very act of moderation lends unintentional credibility to the conspiracy theory, strengthening it and giving it traction that it would not otherwise have.
Twitter absolutely did not grow Q, Twitter was doing everything in their power to moderate Q content off the platform which, again, gave the Q pushers unintentional street cred to say “see, they’re scared of how right we are and this is too dangerously true for them to allow”. It multiplied because of that.
So again, I think you’re incorrect in saying that moderation diminishes the spread of these theories, and more indirectly (logical inference coming—be prepared!) with the high degree of trust you must have in those who do the moderation to be endorsing this practice.
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You misrepresented my argument as something it wasn't.
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and THEN created your logical inference from that straw man. It's not cliche to use accurate terms to describe fallacies.
But you're right to point out my bad wording of your argument after posting what your argument was. I should have been clearer, the sentence after hopefully made it clearer, but maybe it just added to the confusion. I should have said your argument is that the gatekeeping "helped" create and spread conspiracy theories.
As for the rest of your post...
Twitter absolutely grew Q. No one in the mainstream knew what Q was because it was created and existed on a platform outside of the mainstream, 4chan. The mainstream media only started doing stories on it after it came to Twitter and was disseminated to a wider audience. And I partially agree with you that once Twitter started to moderate the nonsense, as with any conspiracy theory and theorist, it only emboldened the belief. Any engagement or pushback emboldens the conspiracy theorist, no amount of pushback (even counterpoints published alongside) will lessen the belief. Understanding that is why preventing it from taking root on mainstream platforms is important. Conspiracy theories are like viruses, you want to limit the exposure, not entertain it.
But, to the broader topic: the logical inference of this is pretty clear--The logic of having more people be their own gatekeepers without time or knowledge of how to do it alongside a dramatic increase in information available leads to more conspiracy theories and theorists (or at least more of them spreading).
Now, your last sentence is a different topic on whether moderation/having a few be allowed to gatekeep is more or less dangerous than conspiracy theories. That's for a different discussion and it's one that is more complex than whether or not that gatekeeping spreads conspiracy theories.
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Re: Conspiracy theorists blossomed from the lack of gatekeeping
Jun 22, 2023, 2:00 AM
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My God, the somersaults that Biden’s minions perform to justify YouTube booting RFK, Jr. off.
My favorite was ‘RFK, Jr. hasn’t been popular in years, he keeps saying the same old stuff. Why shouldn’t he be booted.’
Twisting the deed that YouTube did into a debate about 230 … now THAT was brilliant deflection. No lefty wants to admit that honest debate about different points of view is actually bad in their world. Doing so would make them appear to be disingenuous propagandists … which most happen to be.
Whatever, RFK, Jr. must be silenced.
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Re: is a private company required to provide a platform to
Jun 20, 2023, 1:31 PM
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As much as with Northrop Grumman, Exxon, Boeing, ADM...
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Re: is a private company required to provide a platform to
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Re: is a private company required to provide a platform to
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Yeah, those other companies are saints.
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Re: is a private company required to provide a platform to
Jun 22, 2023, 2:02 AM
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Ah ah ah … changing the argument. Naughty naughty boy.
Dare you to say outright that you want to suppress a public exchange of ideas within the Democrat party.
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Re: is a private company required to provide a platform to
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No. No, it is not the case that I do not dare not to say outright that I do not want to suppress a public exchange of ideas within the Democratic Party.
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Re: is a private company required to provide a platform to
Jun 22, 2023, 2:39 PM
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Very well then. I admire your willingness to break ranks with most supporters of the Democrat party and to endorse a public exchange of ideas within the Democrat party.
A debate between Biden and RFK, Jr. would be a high profile event that would prove the Democrat party’s openness to such a public exchange.
Why do most other Democrat party aficionados recoil at the thought of such a debate between JB & RFK, Jr.?
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Re: is a private company required to provide a platform to
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I cannot speak for most (or for that matter, any) Democratic Party aficionados.
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Re: is a private company required to provide a platform to
Jun 23, 2023, 1:08 AM
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Heck, I’d very much be interested in a Biden / RFK, Jr. debate.
How would such a thing harm anyone, including true Democrats? (I don’t consider all Biden supporters to be true Democrats. Biden’s expansive cronyism as a bunch of bought and paid for ‘Democrats.)
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This statement needs to be applied...
Jun 20, 2023, 4:53 PM
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To people who call for and defend books and ideas being banned because they're "divisive":
Censoring him is a complete ch!ckenshit move.
And no, don't mention any sexually explicit books. I'm talking about the scores of others that are simply being banned to squelch ideology.
Those people are little chicken sh!ts, too, and the same concept applies here.
EDIT: You had another gem of a quote in this thread:
If they think his ideas are false and dangerous, sunshine remains our best disinfectant.
Again, same for the book banners.
Message was edited by: Catahoula®
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I’ve stayed out of this argument mostly
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But I see a difference in being banned from a school library based on age appropriateness arguments and being say, banned from the town’s public library because Mabel Wilkins thinks it’s pure trash.
Only one of those would I call banning.
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
Jun 20, 2023, 5:16 PM
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I've posted several examples in past threads on this topic.
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
Jun 20, 2023, 5:19 PM
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
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I'll list a few notables:
The Hate U Give is a prime example and is absolutely appropriate on a high school level, yet it's been banned on that level across the nation. It was targeted for the racial themes and is falsely labeled as "anti-cop".
The Kite Runner is a critically acclaimed novel about two boys growing up in Afghanistan.
Beloved by Toni Morrison, one of the dumbest bannings on the list, has unsurprisingly been targeted lately due to the slavery backdrop.
The Handmaid's Tale, one of the more ironic bannings, because of it's portrayal of a male-dominated totalitarian society... something that would get a few posters here giddy.
All American Boys, a book similar to The Hate U Give, was banned for discussions on race and portrayal of law enforcement.
Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close, a novel about dealing with the trauma of Sept. 11.
Speak, a novel about a high school girl who is raped and reports it, but she is labeled a liar and shunned by all of the school. It's an extremely relevant book about sexual assault victims. And if it's okay to have the Tennessee Williams play A Streetcar Named Desire on hand, it's okay to have this.
And finally, one of the most laughable, a kids book called And Tango Makes Three, which is based on the true story of two male penguins in a zoo that raise a hatchling. Banned because, gasp, possible gay penguins!
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
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We read Beloved when I was in high school. It wasn't controversial to have that book in school back then. (It was also fairly new at the time.)
EDIT: I meant to say "wasn't" controversial but originally wrote "was."
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Typo, sorry, fixed. "Wasn't," not "was."***
Jun 21, 2023, 12:13 PM
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I doubt anything is controversial in NJ***
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Re: I doubt anything is controversial in NJ***
Jun 21, 2023, 12:35 PM
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We just had a story on this board a week or so ago about a book controversy in NJ.
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Re: I doubt anything is controversial in NJ***
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Re: I doubt anything is controversial in NJ***
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Re: I doubt anything is controversial in NJ***
Jun 21, 2023, 1:11 PM
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That and several others, yes. It wasn't over Beloved or the other ones Cata mentioned.
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
Jun 21, 2023, 1:51 PM
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Are they informative and just give a historical account or are they divisive and seek to blame people and groups who had nothing to do with the grievance?
I'll go back to Obed's statement: "If they think his ideas are false and dangerous, sunshine remains our best disinfectant."
Let people read material and make their own decisions. If a parent doesn't wish their child to read it, that's on the parent to police his or her own household. Not everyone else's kids.
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
Jun 21, 2023, 3:43 PM
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Every book I listed (with the exception of the penguin book since it's for kids) is age appropriate for high school and are critically acclaimed novels with literary merit. They're not comparable to anything NC-17.
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
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Re: This statement needs to be applied...
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Too bad. When the ‘critically acclaimed’ standard gets polluted with age-inappropriate literature written by either ‘critically acclaimed’ or non-critically acclaimed authors, and this age-inappropriate material makes its way into a public school library that may be frequented by young kids, then that school district and the school itself forfeits it’s autonomy to select material which goes into the library.
Oversight (as in the FL / DeSantis example) is then necessary. Trust can be destroyed by one occasion in which an age-inappropriate book gets snuck into the library by an agenda driven librarian, principal, superintendent, etc. if the school / school system is either too incompetent to manage their employees, or too agenda driven to refuse to proactively disclose that they are sneaking this garbage into the libraries, then the school cannot be trusted.
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Well, are you?
Jun 20, 2023, 1:36 PM
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He seems to go against much if what you stand for. Whatever that is.
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Re: Youtube is trash. Now censoring RFK Jr videos, or videos
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Son, you are the last person that needs to be consuming
Jun 20, 2023, 1:32 PM
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social media and the like.
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Re: Youtube is trash. Now censoring RFK Jr videos, or videos
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Man Covid really messed everything up.
I remember most all the anti-vax’ers were liberal soccer moms.
I’ll give RFK jr this, he’s been consistent through it all.
And, who would think that a Kennedy would get cut off from the herd!?!?
If someone made this up 30 years ago, you would call them crazy!
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Hint: we still think they’re crazy.
Jun 20, 2023, 1:47 PM
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and so should you.
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You're looking in the wrong places for whatever craziness
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you are actually looking for.
Youtube is awesome.
There is literally nowhere else that I can watch a video of how to replace the water pump impeller on my Yamaha F200 outboard, then flip to a video of fishing guides in Islamorada catching monster swordfish, then watch a live feed of the house band at a bar in Key West, and then catch a video of the effect of the Gregorian calendar on the middle ages, and after that, learn the BMW "hot vee" V8's regularly fail and a post mortem breakdown and disassembly of why.
Maybe "infowars.com" or substack is more your speed?
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What are we gonna do?!?!?***
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