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I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 8:52 AM
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Question: What do you think he does with another 4 years?
The original conventional wisdom was that it would further galvanize the Left and result in a deadlocked government. GOP/Trump controlling the executive and judicial while the Libs/Dems controlled congress.
But now Trump can play the martyr and conspiracy card with some credibility.
What would 4 years of unabated Trump do? I would be happy for my business and my bank account but very concerned about everything else.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 8:52 AM
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nope
biden gets 150% of registered voters
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Yes yes. I think Trump wins in a landslide that is big enough to overcome
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Jul 14, 2024, 9:01 AM
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dead, repeat voters.
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Re: Yes yes. I think Trump wins in a landslide that is big enough to overcome
Jul 14, 2024, 10:12 AM
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This doesn’t change the 53% to 54% who will never vote for him. He still needs third parties to syphon off enough votes from the Democrats. Been this way since 1988, except the one time Republicans won a majority with terrorism and war as a backdrop.
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Re: Yes yes. I think Trump wins in a landslide that is big enough to overcome
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Jul 14, 2024, 10:48 AM
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Oh I think it changes that 54% by a large margin. It’ll just be the socialist fringe nutt-jobs remaining on the left.
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See above.***
Jul 14, 2024, 11:17 AM
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Re: Yes yes. I think Trump wins in a landslide that is big enough to overcome
Jul 14, 2024, 11:44 AM
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No, his absolute ceiling is still 46-47%. There's no way you can change the character of that many voters to drop all of their morals and values to vote for Trump. Only way he gets to a majority is if turnout is under 35%.
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Re: Pretty middle of the road independent here. Will
Jul 14, 2024, 2:54 PM
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Same…I really do hate that he got shot and innocent people died. But, that’s doesn’t change who Trump is. Glad he is alive for his sake and especially that of his family…but he’s still a POS and will not be getting my vote.
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Yep, sucks that this happened, there is no place for
Jul 14, 2024, 4:21 PM
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this in our society, but it changes absolutely zero about Trump’s character or his politics.
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Not a fan of much of what Biden did. Nor would any
Jul 14, 2024, 6:21 PM
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independent. I support his work on infrastructure like the CHIPS act. I also support funding Ukraine, and staying in NATO. A lot of his other initiatives I don’t care for.
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Re: Yes yes. I think Trump wins in a landslide that is big enough to overcome
Jul 14, 2024, 10:59 AM
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I find some comfort in know many Americans are so patriotic they don't let a little thing like being dead keep the from the polls. Kind of makes the "didnt go vote cause it was raining" crowd seem a bit weak
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Re: Yes yes. I think Trump wins in a landslide that is big enough to overcome
Jul 14, 2024, 11:05 AM
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Funny how every time someone actually gets busted for illegally voting, they turn out to be a Republican / Trump voter. Even the red states can't seem to find any of these people who are supposedly voting from the grave.
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And GA can't find the recorded votes they supposedly recounted.***
Jul 14, 2024, 11:19 AM
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You'd think so, but don't rule out an absolutely unhinged response from Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 9:13 AM
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Not to mention what his fan base will do now that someone tried to hurt their god king.
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Re: You'd think so, but don't rule out an absolutely unhinged response from Trump.
Jul 14, 2024, 9:25 AM
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This is true. Who knows what Trump might say or do.
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Pretty sure the debate already sealed it
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Jul 14, 2024, 9:20 AM
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Hopefully they extend the tax cuts, maybe they make some progress on cutting discretionary spending, but I wouldn’t count on it. Will be pretty much more of the same, except who’s happy and who’s mad will swap.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 9:21 AM
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I think you're making the assumption that the power structure of America will stay the same. I very much don't think it will; too many things have changed.
Donald crashed through guardrail after guardrail his first term, and he didn't know what he was doing, and the party apparatus of the GOP was hardly united behind him.
Today he is the GOP, and he knows exactly where the levers of power are. His own relatives literally took over the RNC, and anyone who might have stood up to him in the Republican Party has been purged. And the Heritage Foundation, bless their dark oligarchical hearts, clearly thinks the time to make the world great again for billionaires - because, you know, they're having such a hard time the way things are now - is right here, and right now. Which is what Project 2025 is all about.
And oh, yeah, the Supreme Court basically just made it impossible for a president to be held to account for anything he does, like, ever, as long he claims it's official and he isn't successfully impeached. And I think we all know by now the odds of a successful impeachment are exactly zero. So Donald Trump will be able to do whatever he wants and not face the music for it, and his underlings can do whatever he wants them to because he can then just pardon them no matter what they've done. He already pardoned a bunch of his ne'er-do-well minions his first term. Ask Roger Stone. Or Michael Flynn. Or Paul Manafort.
That strikes me as a singularly bad combination. He's already telling us loud as, well, as loud as Donald Trump at a rally what he intends to do on a freaking bullhorn, just listen to him sometime. Heritage is telling us what they intend to do, and they're the movers-and-shakers and power-brokers of the party. I don't think they're kidding either. Their own words: "The transition will be peaceful...if the liberals allow it to be." (<-----Insert sinister smile here. Dude looked like a bad movie villain, I kid you not.)
If anybody thinks Donald will just step down in 2028 because his term is up, or that anyone will be able to force him to by then, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell them. Cheap. And it comes fully loaded with a heap of Spanish prisoners just waiting to be exchanged for money. A ton of it.
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Re: Geez
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Jul 14, 2024, 9:30 AM
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sounds like quozzel needs somebody to take action
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Xanax or Cialis...?***
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 9:55 AM
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You should quit beating around the bush and come right out and admit you wish Trump had been murdered yesterday. Its not like it isn't already pretty obvious.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 10:04 AM
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It’s interesting how you feel Trump will not relinquish power. Do you likewise believe that the entire Republican establishment and legislators believe this to be true and are fine with it or that you see something that people infinitely closer to Trump can’t or refuse to see?
If you truly believe Trump is going to end democracy you should be disappointed in the results and should man up and do your part to stop Trump going forward.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 10:33 AM
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Dude, when has the "Republican establishment" ever so much as squeaked at Donald? Anybody who did - and there weren't many - has long-since either kissed the ring or been primaried and is now gone.
And shooting Donald is a horrible idea. He needs to be crushed at the polls, not shot in the face. A fourth straight drubbing at the ballot box and that's the end of MAGA. It absolutely should have happened...except that Joe freaking Biden is one of about three people who likely couldn't beat Donald in a popularity contest, and he refuses to step down and the Dems are dithering about making him.
If Donald gets blown away, he gets turned into a martyr and MAGA becomes a permanent fixture, not a reactionary movement that has lingered entirely too long...and we could be looking at the Civil War Part Deux. Everybody loses then. But thanks to Joe Biden, it very much looks like Donald's about to take power again...and there is a world full of people out there who are freaking the $#%^ out. If you can't understand why there's no point even trying to explain. But a dumb kid with a rifle he doesn't even know how to use is about to be the least of Donald's problems.
Donald breaks stuff. That alarms the powers-that-be. History tells us again and again what usually happens then. It doesn't work. The Romans assassinated Julius Caesar...and it got the Republic turned into an outright Empire as a younger and more stable Augustus Caesar stepped into his spot.
My own advice, to anyone who might listen - not that the Ukrainians or South Koreans or even our own CIA listen to me - is that the better play is to just grit your teeth and wait Donald out. The man is 78 years old and clearly in not-wonderful health and his own dementia isn't far behind Joe Biden's, and his own history tells us again and again that Donald Trump is usually Donald Trump's own worst enemy anyway. But if he does linger, he won't be leaving office in 2028...and the "Republican Establishment" certainly isn't going to force him out unless they act just way different than we've ever seen them act.
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^^^ TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME ^^^... Classically verbose case.***
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How do you conjure up this stuff?
Jul 14, 2024, 2:11 PM
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So much imagination, yet so little foundation. Your last paragraph is the exclamation point:
“The man is 78 years old and clearly in not-wonderful health and his own dementia isn't far behind Joe Biden's, and his own history tells us again and again that Donald Trump is usually Donald Trump's own worst enemy anyway.”
Trump has been subjected to mentally exhausting Lawfare for the past year and a half, and also maintains a vigorous travel and public appearance schedule. Nearly all of us recognize that exhaustion leads to mental fogginess and mis-statements. Yet, despite his age and Trump’s overweight physical condition than you and TDS’ers conflate as being dreadful physiological condition, Trump remains cognitively acute. Can you and the low-energy TDS’ers imagine how much quicker and comprehensively that his cognition would be if he had not be exhausted by the LawFare?
Yet per your assessment, Biden, arguably the most well-rested president of all time; arguably the most confused president of all time, is comparable to Trump in that ‘Trump’s dementia isn’t far behind Biden’s.’
“But if he does linger, he won't be leaving office in 2028...and the "Republican Establishment" certainly isn't going to force him out unless they act just way different than we've ever seen them act.”
This is clearly not your own belief as founded on your own research. This is straight out of the DNC’s top 10 of most desperate political attacks on Trump. Just for laughs, I’ll indulge you by giving you a chance to answer some questions.
How will Trump successfully overturn the FBI, CIA, and military so that even lower ranked persons than Trump’s appointees will sit idly by as Trump ignores The Constitution so that he serves a third term starting after he wins the 2028 election?
SCOTUS will overturn The Constitution to do Trump’s bidding? We’ve already seen that the TDS law enforcement & spy agencies ignore the law. The courts rulings are no stronger than the WH’s bureaucracy’s willingness to enforce the court’s rulings. Even in the wildly imaginative scenario in which a Trump-corrupted SCOTUS rules that ‘Trump for Life’ is good, the law enforcement and spy agencies whose ranks are replete with MAGA hating RINOs and Democrats will never allow this to happen.
(?). Why do keep embarrassing yourself? On the other hand, if your posting objective is to be chief influencer of TNet’s Team TDS, then you’re doing a great job.
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Re: How do you conjure up this stuff?
Jul 14, 2024, 7:38 PM
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I finally read some more of your drivel. You really need to learn what "concise" means.
Trump's plan in 2020 was to use the insurrection act to declare martial law and remain in power that way. It wasn't his idea, originally, but he explored it enough to find out that the military was not behind him. He's going to prepare for that possibility next time by doing what he says - purge the government and military of people who won't pledge loyalty to him (he doesn't word it that way, but that's what he means).
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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How many bridges do you have for sale? This line of lies that have been spread by Biden, the Democrats and media long enough for the brainwash to work and is exactly why this assassination attempt happened. They know it's not true but have worked you all in a frenzy because you're scared rabbits that believe anything.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
Jul 14, 2024, 4:18 PM
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He'll declare martial law at the end of 2028. He had too many obstacles to that when he was considering it in 2020 to stay in power, but next time all he will have around him is sycophants and worshippers.
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Happy to put some friendly wagers on this with you guys.
Jul 14, 2024, 4:29 PM
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You seem pretty sure of your position , so what do you say, a simple $50 that on Inauguration Day 2029, the next elected President of the United States will be successfully sworn in and in power?
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Re: Happy to put some friendly wagers on this with you guys.
Jul 14, 2024, 6:27 PM
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Take that $50 and donate it to a good cause. Bets are for suckers.
I really hope you are right, and Donald Trump is nothing like the person he's shown himself to be for 78 years. Until the 1980s, he and the rest of them claimed to be Swedish instead of German, after all.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 9:50 AM
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This changes nothing. Millions of votes will still get harvested from people who couldn't care less about what happened yesterday.
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It's hard to imagine anyone being undecided at this point.
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Jul 14, 2024, 10:38 AM
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However, according to all polls, which is all we have to go by, it is a very, very close race. If so, the smallest, minute change in sentiment one way or the other could make a difference.
There couldn't possibly have been many people on the fence before this. Those who love Trump/MAGA and those who hate Trump/MAGA are significant, and are locked in no matter what. I mean, who in thehell at this point is thinking "Hmmmm, I just can't decide. They both have good and bad points. I'll just have to listen carefully over the next couple of months and try do make up my mind". Really?
But, I agree, this assassination attempt will certainly not hurt Trump's chances one bit, and will only fire up his supporters and strengthen their resolve even more.
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Re: It's hard to imagine anyone being undecided at this point.
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And Joe is just not up for it. He's sort of the worst of all possible worlds - just cogent enough he can still kinda-sorta fake it (badly, and unconvincingly) it for a half-hour at a time (most days), stubbornly sticking in and refusing to leave even when he's lost everyone's confidence, but so debilitated he can't react strategically and certainly can't act proactively. Much less actually lead.
Which frankly he's never done anyway...Joe's just about the worst communicator I've ever seen in the White House. Say what you will about Donald, he certainly gets his message out. In fact no one has ever been able to stop him from getting his message out, no matter what it may be.
Kamala Harris would have a chance. She's a former prosecutor and it'd be child's play for her to make a compelling case against Donald Trump, which Joe Biden is utterly incapable of doing now. As long as she kept the focus on Donald's myriad sins and doesn't try to be Kamala X but instead fakes being a moderate (she isn't, but America probably doesn't know that yet), she might even put an absolute beating on him, especially if the kids come out for her like they won't ever do for Joe.
But this takes the focus right off Joe, which is exactly what he needed right now. I agree - barring another twisty turn, this probably seals it for Donald, though there's going to be a world full of very dangerous people likely gunning for him - literally - the closer we get to November with him still ahead.
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IMO this is the ideal time for the Dems to make a switch.
Jul 14, 2024, 3:11 PM
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They are most likely going to lose anyhow, so why not get an early start on prosecuting the case against Trump with younger, more coherent candidates. They’ll only have more energy and more evidence to prosecute with in 2028.
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Re: After the June 27th debate, I've wanted Biden to step out....
Jul 14, 2024, 4:20 PM
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If he stays in, he's going to get destroyed in November.
Kamala at least has a shot.
But Joe ain't gonna go.
Joe ain’t going nowhere at least for a while. This event coupled with the RNC in Milwaukee will take up all the political oxygen for the next week or two.
The Dems are unlikely to now be able to push Biden out.
This assassination attempt has completely brought to a halt any attempt to get Joe to stand down.
If Trump somehow is measured in his response to this failed attempt, he will be very hard to beat.
What else crazy will happen before Nov 5th?
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Re: It's hard to imagine anyone being undecided at this point.
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Even if no one changes sides, elections can be determined by which side is more motivated to actually show up and vote. Safe to say this will motivate Trump's base.
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No doubt. And I think voter turnout was already the dems biggest concern
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this time.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Agree about business and bank account, I feel the same.
The govt spending spree will continue and the debt can will be kicked down the road.
China will simmer down for 4 years because they think he’s nuts and unpredictable.
Mean tweets
A massive uptick in riots and chaos that went dormant for the past 4 years and totally, totally have no organized structure or deep pocketed funding behind them.
A dem most likely wins in 2028 because this polarization pendulum is swinging so far now each cycle.
Oh yeah, and if what happened yesterday doesn’t happen again, he steps away when the term is over leaving those insisting on some sort of coup looking really silly
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
Jul 14, 2024, 4:27 PM
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John John's wife had the Mean Tweets shirt on. Your compatriots in QAnon think he was orchestrating it.
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Odd that if hes my compatriot
Jul 14, 2024, 4:34 PM
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You know more about it than I do. I have no idea what the f you’re talking about
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Re: Odd that if hes my compatriot
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Sorry if I'm mistaken. I thought you were into the QAnon conspiracies. The guy in the bleachers behind trump, with the fedora, long hair, and George magazine t-shirt is Vince Fusca, who the QAnon people believe is JFK Jr and Trump's intended running mate.
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Nossir, Im not into that stuff at all.
Jul 14, 2024, 6:18 PM
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I’m a conservative guy who doesn’t like Trump but also thinks the left’s reaction to Trump has been just as, if not more harmful, to the country than anything Trump has done after all is said and done. It confuses people and the left thinks I’m MAGA and the MAGA think I’m a weak lefty moderate…just depends on what argument I’m engaged in.
Personally I’d love it to be Desantis vs Newsom right now with Gavin arguing that Ron hates the poor and Ron arguing that Gavin would triple our taxes, but here we are, and the one thing both sides have in common is they both think they don’t have any shittt on them.
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Re: Nossir, Im not into that stuff at all.
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Jul 14, 2024, 6:41 PM
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I had you confused with somebody else who was all about QAnon a few years ago. Desantis is probably too short to be president, if he doesn't wear his special shoes.
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Athletic Dir [879]
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Re: Nossir, Im not into that stuff at all.
Jul 14, 2024, 6:44 PM
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I just realized that Trump was probably the first obese president since the 1800s. Clinton would get to 20 pounds overweight, but never 80-100 like Trump.
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Depends on Trumps response.
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Jul 14, 2024, 11:15 AM
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Landslide if Trump admonishes political violence and retribution. Then talks conciliatory and unity.
If speeches are divisive and on the edge of advocating violent payback, then the independents could think otherwise.
Most Americans don’t want a civil war or significant political and civil unrest. Trump wins easily if he takes the high road. The question is does he have it in him.
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Re: Depends on Trumps response.
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Jul 14, 2024, 12:07 PM
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I would be shocked if he did (take the high road).
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Great point. Temperament has always been his biggest weakness.
Jul 14, 2024, 3:16 PM
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DJT ‘s issues combined with a president who could actually behave you know, presidentially, would be pretty unstoppable.
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His responses so far have been extremely measured.
Jul 14, 2024, 4:22 PM
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Could that change, sure, but surprisingly even handed language so far.
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Team Captain [491]
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So far, yes, he has reigned it in. But we all know that
Jul 14, 2024, 4:26 PM
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won’t last a week.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 11:34 AM
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I don't know about the election, but he now has an outside chance of touching his wife for the first time in 17 or 18 years. He might even be allowed to enter her apartment in Trump Tower for the first time in forever.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 11:46 AM
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Imagine how Melania must be feeling right about now. Another inch or 2 to the left and she'd finally be free.
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
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Jul 14, 2024, 12:01 PM
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Omg 😆😆. I’m speaking as a woman and an old man like that with his narcissistic personality who thinks he’s a lothario would be enough to make me gag. You can bet they don’t spend much time together. The money got her there but I don’t know what’s kept her there!! The kid?
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Re: I assume this seals the election for Trump.
Jul 14, 2024, 12:43 PM
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I think much of the leverage was her parents. They lived with her in the white house and then at mar a lago, but weren’t naturalized until sometime in his presidency. Then one, I think the father, passed. Even wiki says she stayed in NY in 2017 to negotiate her prenuptial agreement, something I could edit right now if it wasn’t true. So odds are, he had to offer her a ton of money to stay. Common rumor was she had an agreement from him for divorce after he lost in 2016 as they all expected. Trump doesn’t seem to mind his wives having affairs, like Marla with her bodyguard and Melania with the Christies guy, unless other people find out. He paid Marla off to delay leaving him, so he could appear to be the one leaving.
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There's nothing funny about any political violence....
Jul 14, 2024, 2:25 PM
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And when that kind of thinking gets spread, it makes it more likely to keep happening.
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Lot o points [160971]
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Sorry, smits, old bean
Jul 14, 2024, 2:31 PM
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Inappropriate or not, you will never hear me say that life needs less humor and lightheartedness.
A massive part of our issues today is that everyone takes themselves and everything around them too GD seriously.
I’d be fine to returning to a willingness to laugh at ourselves more.
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It's not funny though....
Jul 14, 2024, 2:41 PM
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I don't mind jokes about politicians.
But when the Speaker of the House's husband gets his skull bashed in, mocking of the victim isn't funny. Same thing when Gretchen Whitmer's opponent in 2022 tried to make jokes about the kidnapping plot. And if any Democratic politician makes fun of Trump getting ear-capped, I'm not laughing. It normalizes violence, and TBH it's sickening.
I know you don't want to admit the point, but it's true.
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Lot o points [160971]
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I dont think its funny either but I hope neither
Jul 14, 2024, 3:16 PM
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You nor I or anyone else are ever the arbiters of what humor is allowed and what isn’t.
With that said, I don’t think any real anarchists or insurrectionists or hateful movement leaders use humor as their primary communication methodology
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