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Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:30 PM
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Not even close***
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:32 PM
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ian schieffelin... just saying
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Mar 31, 2024, 4:31 PM
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PJ was a good basketball player. but even with our meek hoops history he's way down the list.
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Re: Not even close***
Mar 31, 2024, 5:22 PM
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Nice list, but there are several on the list that shouldn’t count because they transferred (Prooer, Grant)
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:33 PM
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Not even in the top 10.
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We dont have 10 first-team all-ACC players, so hes in the top 10***
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:35 PM
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the ACC used to be loaded.***
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:39 PM
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Re: the ACC used to be loaded.***
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Mar 31, 2024, 3:04 PM
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Then they would be there forever too. Laetner, Duncan, Sampson, etc etc etc etc...all 4 years. They would be first team multiple years in a row. There wasn't room for others.
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Re: We dont have 10 first-team all-ACC players, so hes in the top 10***
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:45 PM
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Not top 7 for sure. Every year is a different year and players used to stay 4 years. That comparison is meaningless.
Dale Davis
Skip Wise
Eldon Campbell
Sharone Wright
Chris Whitney
Trevor Booker
Greg Buckner
There is 7 right there.
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Re: We dont have 10 first-team all-ACC players, so hes in the top 10***
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:47 PM
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Horace Grant obviously too. There is 8.
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Re: We dont have 10 first-team all-ACC players, so hes in the top 10***
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:50 PM
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Missed Nance. There is 9. Tree Rollins. There is 10. So not top 10.
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Re: We dont have 10 first-team all-ACC players, so hes in the top 10***
Mar 31, 2024, 6:24 PM
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Skip Wise is the best player that I have ever watched for Clemson.
Tree Rollins
Elden Campbell
Horace Grant
Dale Davis
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Its hard to say
Mar 31, 2024, 2:33 PM
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People will say no it was such and such from the 60s or 70s when I was there, but can you imagine what PJ would have done in those days?
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Re: Its hard to say
Mar 31, 2024, 3:59 PM
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LMBO, I don't think the question was how would PJ add up 20-30-40 years ago. But I agree PJ wouldn't have ever been a slouch playing way back when. He has the smarts, height, weight, and body type be a really good BB player regardless of what generation he come up in...
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Re: Its hard to say
Apr 1, 2024, 9:05 AM
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Delete smarts and I agree
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Top 10, but not close to #1***
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:34 PM
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No not right at top, but at least top 10 or so
Defintelly contnues that tradition of great bigmen with Tree, Nance, Grant, Campbell, Davis, and Booker.
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I never got to watch any of those guys except Booker
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:38 PM
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I don’t know enough of their accolades. I take it they were better.
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Re: I never got to watch any of those guys except Booker
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:54 PM
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I watched them all and any of them would be dominant now too. Despite what the perception may be, Clemson has had some great bball players come through. Everyone talks about Horace but his twin brother wasn't bad.
Horace is probably Clemson's best player ever.
PJ'S story is still being written but imo, he's had a lot of help around him to make him more dominant. Especially this season.
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Re: I never got to watch any of those guys except Booker
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Mar 31, 2024, 4:21 PM
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I think that PJ would better than he is right now if had that fireball in his gut that won't allow even much smaller guys to back down from anything or anybody if their manhood was challenged. And I'm not talking about throwing down on the court and start swinging out. I'm talking about when players are wanting to force their will up against him. Like how a Dennis Rodman was, or a Shaq, or a Larry Bird mentality on the court... PJ has the size, I just haven't seen that type of fireball in him...
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
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Mar 31, 2024, 4:00 PM
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Agree. Wise was the first ever Freshman 1st team all ACC. Beat out Phil Ford for it. We forget how good those guys were. Nance is overlooked because he played on bad teams. But he had a good pro career and won an NBA Slam Dunk contest.
No way to take away from what PJ has done - he deserves his All ACC - but he is not a Clemson Top Ten. It was Hunter who carried us in this tournament, not PJ, and if you trade PJ for Grant, Nance, Wright, Booker, Tree ... and maybe Davis or Campbell ... we're still playing. And that's just the centers.
PJ is great. No question. But no way top 10. He is not good enough from the outside to beat teams there, and not good enough inside to dominate there. Or chooses not to. But is a great all around player.
I think Brad is frustrated with him, to be honest. A bit more Chef to him, and he might be Top 10.
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:34 PM
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Nope. But he's one of many good ones to come through
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
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Mar 31, 2024, 2:57 PM
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Best Player Overall or Just Best Basketball Player? Either way NO
Mar 31, 2024, 2:59 PM
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Basketball I would have to say Larry Nance
Best overall is tough. We may be watching the best right now with Valerie Cagle.
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Mar 31, 2024, 3:16 PM
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No
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No.***
Mar 31, 2024, 3:18 PM
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
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Mar 31, 2024, 3:25 PM
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No way Jose'!! Larry Nance, Elden Campbell, Dale Davis, Skip Wise come to mind.
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Did you just start watching this year?***
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Mar 31, 2024, 3:35 PM
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Mar 31, 2024, 4:06 PM
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No.
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Mar 31, 2024, 4:07 PM
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Top 10 or 15.
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Not by a long shot. Skip,Tree, Horace,Elden,Booker,Butch,Boogie,Buckner,etc.etc.***
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Mar 31, 2024, 4:11 PM
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Mar 31, 2024, 4:13 PM
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No.
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
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Mar 31, 2024, 4:21 PM
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Top 15 no doubt
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Mar 31, 2024, 4:23 PM
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Nope
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Nance played on bad teams? Nope.
Mar 31, 2024, 4:41 PM
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He was on the first team going to the elite 8.
ACC was super tough during that period.
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Mar 31, 2024, 4:40 PM
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No chance. Larry Nance, Tree Rollins, Horace Grant, Elden Campbell. I'll stop there
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Mar 31, 2024, 4:45 PM
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Nothing against PJ and I appreciate what he gave the Tigers but no
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Mar 31, 2024, 4:57 PM
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If Skip Wise (1974-75) had played more than the one year he may have gone down as the greatest. Drugs spoiled his pro career.
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Apr 1, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Very very true. He was the best ever. If his personal life was better, he would be among the greatest ever…. And a very very wealthy man. Stan Rome was no slouch either…. And they both played at Clemson together.
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Top 100 maybe.
Mar 31, 2024, 6:32 PM
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Clearly not top 10.
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Mar 31, 2024, 8:55 PM
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Not by a long shot.
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Maybe the best in Brownell's tenure
Mar 31, 2024, 9:05 PM
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Maybe the best in Brownell's tenure. But Horace Grant, Tree Rollins, Larry Nancy, and others are way way better.
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Nowhere close***
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Way to put a player in the spotlight to fall. Not cool.
Apr 1, 2024, 8:20 AM
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Absolutely no way. Thats setting the bar way high!!! Great young man, ambassador for CU basketball and hope he does well in the NBA. I mean to be the best ever surpassing Booker, Campbell, Rollins,etc. I wish PJ the very best!!! Great kid!! Thank you PJ.!
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Maybe not the best, but maybe....
Apr 1, 2024, 9:58 AM
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the most impactful. Him coming to Clemson could pave the way for future Top 50 recruits to walk in the door, similar to how the CJ Spiller recruitment began to turn the tide in football. That's my hope, anyway.
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Re: Is PJ the best college player in Clemson history?
Apr 1, 2024, 10:01 AM
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Not close at all
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Going with Horace Grant during my lifetime
Apr 1, 2024, 10:12 AM
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my dad would have said Skip Wise. PJ to me is in the top 10.
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No, I don't think so.
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Apr 1, 2024, 10:29 AM
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I do think he's arguably the most versatile though. He can score inside, outside, and at the mid-range. He rebounds, plays good defense, and blocks shots. He's a good passer. He's a good leader.
Definitely one of our best ever.
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